How to spot trashy guests on Airbnb

How to spot trashy guests on Airbnb

Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes

Hi, BPers

Thank you all for the helpful advice on my first short rental in my previous posts! I finally finished the reno and decor and now it's up for renting. So far, I have 64% occupancy in 30 days. It is much more time consuming than I expected, but I am also excited as if operated properly, good cash flows from STR can complement my more stable long-term rentals.

Now, I am nervous with all these new guests: unlike my long term tenants who went through my strict screening process, I almost knew nothing about these short-term guests. Given that the percentage of trashy guests is increasing after the COVID, I wonder whether you experienced STR owners could give me some advice on how to sniff out trashy guests. As I try to go through their profiles, I noticed that there are quite a few factors:

1. Reviews on the guest from previous hosts

2. Whether identity is verified

3. Email address

4. Phone number

5. The days between the booking and their arrival

6. Age of the guest

7. Referral from other hosts (for instant book)

8. Profile pictures

9. The number of guests

I wonder based on your experience (good or bad), which one(s) are most important in sniffing out partiers/trashy guests? My current hunch on the level of risk is Reviews > Referral from previous hosts > Verified identity > Age of the guests > the number of guests, but I am curious to hear your thoughts on them!

Thanks in advance!

Lee

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John UnderwoodPro Member
Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
5y

I'm with Michael. Vrbo seems to have a higher class clientele and U also get most of my bookings on Vrbo.

I do not allow 1 day bookings and my minimum age is also 25.

My daily rate is from 200 to 600 per night. That helps weed out problems.

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  • Investor · Member since 2021 · 11 posts · 12 votes
    5y

    I personally just require 25 years or older to book and minimum 2 night stays. I had many issues when I allowed 1 night stays. Those tended to be the guests that would throw parties/loud noise.

    Simply with my age requirement and 2 night minimum stay I've had a lot of success limiting the trashy guests. 

    For me, adding more restrictions than that will cause me a bigger loss by limiting the potential number of guests that can book.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    Hey @Leon Lee, welcome to the fray! AirBNB give me the most problems when it comes to guest. They appear to be more willing to violate the rules. Extra dogs, damage and the like. Nothing super serious. Just things that take more time.

    I vet each and every guest but initiating some chat to see how they respond. I don't autobook. If they sound sketchy then I push on to see what else they say. For example we had 3 bookings for the New Years Eve timeframe. One had to pull out due to Covid, one ended up losing their job and the last one was full of single word or short sentence answers. I finally told them that our home wasn't a party house and that we had neighbors that we didn't want disturbed. They just disappeared.

    I never rent to anyone who is unverified. Might as well just leave the door open with a sign saying free beer.

    Have you listed on VRBO? We have much better luck with guests using that platform. We get about 60% of our bookings from VRBO. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Patrick McCabe:

    I personally just require 25 years or older to book and minimum 2 night stays. I had many issues when I allowed 1 night stays. Those tended to be the guests that would throw parties/loud noise.

    Simply with my age requirement and 2 night minimum stay I've had a lot of success limiting the trashy guests. 

    For me, adding more restrictions than that will cause me a bigger loss by limiting the potential number of guests that can book.

    Patrick

    I allow 2 nights minimal for my booking too, but will allow the algorithm to fill in single days if they are orphaned. I would like to see whether I will have higher chance to get trashy guests in these single days. 

    Thanks

    Lee

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Michael

    I can feel your pain! I allow guests to instant book simply because going back and forth before the decision is made can be too time consuming (especially if I will have more listings in the future). I do have conditions for instant books, such as they must be verified, 2-night minimal and having profile pictures. I am debating on whether they need to be referred by other hosts, but feel it can be a little unrealistic. I wonder how other experienced hosts think of that requirement. 

    Although we both are STR hosts, I feel that the quality of guests can be vastly different between STRs. My rental is located in the center of the city, which naturally draws more partiers and younger cohorts. For example, I got several guests who are in town for their gf/bf birthdays and I wouldn't expect them to read magazines in those nights. 

    I have not tried VRBO yet. I heard that newbies should focus on one platform and accumulate enough reviews on that platform. In the mean time, they may list their rentals on VRBO with much higher price, just in case someone bites. but this strategy might is only valid  when the majority of guests for that rental is actually coming from Airbnb. I may try VRBO once I get some reviews on Air!

    Thanks
    Lee 

    Originally posted by @Michael Baum:

    Hey @Leon Lee, welcome to the fray! AirBNB give me the most problems when it comes to guest. They appear to be more willing to violate the rules. Extra dogs, damage and the like. Nothing super serious. Just things that take more time.

    I vet each and every guest but initiating some chat to see how they respond. I don't autobook. If they sound sketchy then I push on to see what else they say. For example we had 3 bookings for the New Years Eve timeframe. One had to pull out due to Covid, one ended up losing their job and the last one was full of single word or short sentence answers. I finally told them that our home wasn't a party house and that we had neighbors that we didn't want disturbed. They just disappeared.

    I never rent to anyone who is unverified. Might as well just leave the door open with a sign saying free beer.

    Have you listed on VRBO? We have much better luck with guests using that platform. We get about 60% of our bookings from VRBO. 

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    5y

    I'm with Michael. Vrbo seems to have a higher class clientele and U also get most of my bookings on Vrbo.

    I do not allow 1 day bookings and my minimum age is also 25.

    My daily rate is from 200 to 600 per night. That helps weed out problems.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee, I was a noob and I listed on both platforms right away. I highly suggest you do the same. You are losing out on a bunch of views. Many folks don't look at AirBNB and vice versa.

    I have a 3 day minimum and no one under 25 as well.

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Michael Baum:

    @Leon Lee, I was a noob and I listed on both platforms right away. I highly suggest you do the same. You are losing out on a bunch of views. Many folks don't look at AirBNB and vice versa.

    I have a 3 day minimum and no one under 25 as well.

     Sounds good! Will post it there soon! Many thanks!

  • FL · Member since 2018 · 81 posts · 68 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @John Underwood:
    My daily rate is from 200 to 600 per night. That helps weed out problems.

    Honestly with a 2 day minimum and 25+ age, the cost of the rental is a big factor in the quality of guest. Can guests paying a high price be a problem? Of course, many will feel entitled. Can guests paying a low price be perfectly fine? Of course. However in general you will find you'll have less problems the higher the rate you charge.

  • Lender · Manhattan Beach, CA · Member since 2017 · 423 posts · 268 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee The type of guest that ultimately book your place will be determined by the two things: type of listing you have and the location of the property. 

    The type of listing you have determines the number of guests you can allow. For example, for my condo property that is 2bed/2bath, I rent it by room with their own dedicated bathrooms. This eliminates larger groups that may or may not throw parties. Because this eliminates larger groups and parties, I don't have to set a minimum number of days. Guests can choose to stay for 1-7 days

    Your location also determines the type of guests you attract. My property is located about a mile from the beach so I get a lot of tourists. It's also near a big university so I get students and families of students visiting. 

    One way I can gauge if a guest will be a problem guests is that I write a very detailed listing description. I've hosted 400+ stays so I know what a guests might ask prior to booking. I answer all of the FAQs in the description and at the end, ask them to message me to confirm they've read everything. If they don't, and ask me something that's already answered, then I know that hosting that guests will not be a smooth experience.  

  • Specialist · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 291 posts · 231 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee

    House rules being very clear and strict with high penalties that you can enforce easily is big. Also cameras to monitor all guest that come is also big. If twenty people show up but it’s a 6 guest rental I can get them kicked out and pay me 1,400 dollars plus any damages including missed revenue if I couldn’t rent it because of damages. Problem guest read rules haha and if you have no fees then they book your place not mine. I’m not exaggerating we have had 10% as many problem guests with our rule changes and 0% less revenue. We haven’t had a party party in over 500 plus bookings. we allow 1 night stays and 18 and up to book.

    Also apparently I can’t rent most the people on this threads places as I’m not 25 yet haha.

  • Rental Property Investor · North Fork, NY · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 631 votes
    5y

    Congratulations on getting it up and successfully running. We all try to avoid problem guests, as mentioned in the answers above, by mitigating risks.

    I don’t know what you mean by this: ”Given that the percentage of trashy guests is increasing after the COVID”.

    Am I missing something?

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    #10.  Ask them how many times they have been shot.

    #11. Do they have any pet rattlesnakes.

  • Rental Property Investor · Harrisburg, PA · Member since 2018 · 369 posts · 406 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @John Underwood:

    I'm with Michael. Vrbo seems to have a higher class clientele and U also get most of my bookings on Vrbo.

    I do not allow 1 day bookings and my minimum age is also 25.

    My daily rate is from 200 to 600 per night. That helps weed out problems.

    Once again I'm lining up with John here.  We only use VRBO and have the same guest restrictions (min age & nights) our in-season rental is a 1 week minimum also (Summer).   We have been very fortunate these past 3 years and have had very minimal issues.

    We do not ask the same screening questions as @Paul Sandhu but I may start, just to see what we get!!!

  • Jason MuthPro Member
    Investor · Newburyport, MA · Member since 2015 · 57 posts · 40 votes
    5y

    As many have stated, there are so many variables involved. For our STRs, I have found that I'd rather pick vacancy over poor tenant quality, because success (for me, at least) is not 365 nights/year of rentals.

    • Started with Minimum 2 nights, 5 or 7 during summers (I start at 7 and back down to 5 to fill in gaps)
    • Now we have Minimum 3 nights since I have so many positive reviews and have been a Superhost for over 2 years at this point. I'm sure we are missing out on some 2-nighters, but that's fine. If the calendar looks a bit sparse, I just back that down to 2-night minimum
    • Keep the prices as high as possible. If you're in review-building mode, play with the rates and offer discounts. Naturally higher prices will weed out many problem tenants
    • Overcommunicate. Give them a sense of responsibility. Customer service goes a long way. We spent a lot of time building out our listings and welcome materials. They are complete and thorough, but not overbearing. Our tone is friendly and irreverent, but serious when needed. Thank people for booking immediately after they do, drop them a quick note before their arrival and welcome them upon arrival.
    • Minimum 25 years is a must.
    • Have great eyes on the ground. Both people who clean our units are amazing. I communicate with each after every turn. And when people show up to spotless units, I feel as though they share a responsibility to treat our space as if it's their own (in fact, we let them know that we use both ourselves from time-to-time, again so they remember that they are staying in OUR place, not merely a hotel)

    Would you believe that I don't even charge security deposits? I believe that layer of trust goes far. If I did charge one, I think that guests might go so far as to see that as the amount of damage they can inflict.

    No joke, last summer I had a bunch of guys at our lake house and received a call on their final night that one of them broke our TV by punching it. Yep! They were playing a Virtual Reality game and got a bit too close. Well, during the call they said not to worry because they already replaced it with an ever nicer model. They hung it on the bracket, sent photos and everything. I wasn't thrilled at first (because I would have picked a different brand to remain consistent with my systems), but quickly laughed it off and figured it was an amazing story, which it is.

    BTW, separate topic, did you know that you can connect your calendars between Airbnb and VRBO? In fact, we have ours connected with TripAdvisor as well (but I've only received one booking from TA in 3 years). I recommend both Airbnb and VRBO to start. The sites optimize their listings differently, and not being on both platforms is a big miss IMHO. I ran with pay-per-stay on VRBO for the first two years and then calculated that (for us) it's actually worth spending the $499 annual flat fee per listing now

  • Rental Property Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2018 · 46 posts · 76 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee

    Hi Leon,

    We had occasional problems with guests partying or at one point even stealing from our rentals.

    We added frontdoor cameras with wide views of the driveway and street.

    We clearly posted on our listings that we have an outdoor camera system in place for the protection of the guests and the property.

    Since then the number of difficult guests has gone way down. It does not seem to have affected our booking rates, and we have had no complaints about the cameras.

    It also gives us peace of mind and allows us to remotely check in on our properties.

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Nancy, this might be specific to my building. Since it’s at the center of the City and used to mainly cater convention attendees, with COVID, the quality of guests definitely changed.  


    Originally posted by @Nancy Bachety:

    Congratulations on getting it up and successfully running. We all try to avoid problem guests, as mentioned in the answers above, by mitigating risks.

    I don’t know what you mean by this: ”Given that the percentage of trashy guests is increasing after the COVID”.

    Am I missing something?

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Jason

    Thank you for the information, which is really helpful!Just curious: you mentioned that you adjust minimal days based on how fully your place is occupied. I totally agree that full occupancy is not the goal here. What are the targets for setting your price? I read somewhere that people should adjust their base price so that they can have about 50% occupancy for next 30 days. I am sure it is much more complicated than a simple 50% and wonder how you experienced STR hosts deal with it.

    The reason I asked is that I saw similar places in the building where my unit is located are listed with much higher price, but with very low occupancy. They are experienced hosts and definitely know what they are doing. I am just trying to figure out their thought process. I assume that higher price will weed out bad guests and may achieve similar profits by catering high-quality tenants only with less work/hassle, but is there a yardstick I could follow to achieve maximal profits?

    Thanks
    Lee 



    Originally posted by@Jason Muth:

    As many have stated, there are so many variables involved. For our STRs, I have found that I'd rather pick vacancy over poor tenant quality, because success (for me, at least) is not 365 nights/year of rentals.

    • Started with Minimum 2 nights, 5 or 7 during summers (I start at 7 and back down to 5 to fill in gaps)
    • Now we have Minimum 3 nights since I have so many positive reviews and have been a Superhost for over 2 years at this point. I'm sure we are missing out on some 2-nighters, but that's fine. If the calendar looks a bit sparse, I just back that down to 2-night minimum
    • Keep the prices as high as possible. If you're in review-building mode, play with the rates and offer discounts. Naturally higher prices will weed out many problem tenants
    • Overcommunicate. Give them a sense of responsibility. Customer service goes a long way. We spent a lot of time building out our listings and welcome materials. They are complete and thorough, but not overbearing. Our tone is friendly and irreverent, but serious when needed. Thank people for booking immediately after they do, drop them a quick note before their arrival and welcome them upon arrival.
    • Minimum 25 years is a must.
    • Have great eyes on the ground. Both people who clean our units are amazing. I communicate with each after every turn. And when people show up to spotless units, I feel as though they share a responsibility to treat our space as if it's their own (in fact, we let them know that we use both ourselves from time-to-time, again so they remember that they are staying in OUR place, not merely a hotel)

    Would you believe that I don't even charge security deposits? I believe that layer of trust goes far. If I did charge one, I think that guests might go so far as to see that as the amount of damage they can inflict.

    No joke, last summer I had a bunch of guys at our lake house and received a call on their final night that one of them broke our TV by punching it. Yep! They were playing a Virtual Reality game and got a bit too close. Well, during the call they said not to worry because they already replaced it with an ever nicer model. They hung it on the bracket, sent photos and everything. I wasn't thrilled at first (because I would have picked a different brand to remain consistent with my systems), but quickly laughed it off and figured it was an amazing story, which it is.

    BTW, separate topic, did you know that you can connect your calendars between Airbnb and VRBO? In fact, we have ours connected with TripAdvisor as well (but I've only received one booking from TA in 3 years). I recommend both Airbnb and VRBO to start. The sites optimize their listings differently, and not being on both platforms is a big miss IMHO. I ran with pay-per-stay on VRBO for the first two years and then calculated that (for us) it's actually worth spending the $499 annual flat fee per listing now

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    5y
    Jason

    Adding security camera is definitely a good idea! It's funny that last night I spent 2 hours trying to find a good camera. I am looking at Ring Spotlight Cam with battery. Do you have a good brand to recommend?

    Thanks
    Lee

    Originally posted by @Jason Collins:

    @Leon Lee

    Hi Leon,

    We had occasional problems with guests partying or at one point even stealing from our rentals.

    We added frontdoor cameras with wide views of the driveway and street.

    We clearly posted on our listings that we have an outdoor camera system in place for the protection of the guests and the property.

    Since then the number of difficult guests has gone way down. It does not seem to have affected our booking rates, and we have had no complaints about the cameras.

    It also gives us peace of mind and allows us to remotely check in on our properties.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2018 · 46 posts · 76 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee

    We use the Ring spotlight cam.

    Started with doorbell camera but decided we like the mounted version better.

    We also added solar panels so we do not have to change the battery as frequently.

  • Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    I'm new to the Airbnb game as well. We just got a home and started renting it in November in Traverse City. I've stressed myself out with the renters coming through or requesting to stay.Once I started a little better screening process i've been much more relaxed. We implied a two night night minimum with the intent of 7 days in the summer. We make sure people are completely verified and explain it is another level of insurance for us as a host. Often times this creates a good opportunity to screen and chat with the potential guest. We'll check previous reviews etc..  We also have simple questions on our profile if they are new to Airbnb with no previous reviews or stays:

    1. what is your purpose for your visit

    2. what are your hobbies

    3. what is your occupation

    4. who will be joining you

    Something along these lines helps us determine who is actually willing to adhere to our wishes and perhaps show a little respect.
     

  • Real Estate Investor · Trenton, NJ · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee

    Some Repeat guests, not all, have a since of entitlement. This for me is a bigger issue than first time guests.

    After reading your post there is one guest that come to mind. This guest had only one review (witch was negative). However she booked instantly. During her stay she verbalized that she was putting forth effort to be a better guest. After she check out I gave her a five star review.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanata, GA · Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 6 votes
    5y

    @Leon Lee I’ve been renting for one year. My location in Key Largo tends to keep the problem guests away, but in addition:

    -I do not allow instant book

    -Must have previous positive reviews

    -Must have a verified ID on file

    -I request the name and ages of all guests

    -I prefer three night minimum, as you are more likely to get responsible, older people.

  • Investor · Asbury, NJ · Member since 2015 · 226 posts · 205 votes
    5y

    We had to raise our rental age to 30 after a 26 year old hosted a Memorial Day weekend party at our STVR. She sounded so nice on the phone, it was going to be her and her sister for a weekend out of the city; then my housekeeper called and told me she filled 7 large garbage bags with trash from the home (for a three night stay!), including empty cases of beer, and the kitchen fire extinguisher was missing. Turns out the kitchen fire extinguisher had been discharged into the backyard fire pit! When I confronted the renter, she said they wanted to go to bed so they had to "put out the fire." (Apparently using the hose on the side of the house didn't occur to them) Then we started hearing from neighbors about all the cars that were parked up and down our street and that they brought 4 wheelers and rode them down the dirt road to the shared lakefront! I was mortified and spent a lot of time smoothing things over with the other homes we share the lake with. I got the renter banned from the rental site, got reimbursed for the fire extinguisher, raised the age limit to 30, max of four adults and max of two cars. I was a little frustrated that our caretaker (who lives right down the road) didn't call me and tell me while it was happening because I would have called the police and had them all thrown out. I also had to explicitly add "No ATVs, no 4 wheelers" etc to the listing and also a sentence along the lines of "This is a quiet and respectful community and we expect guests to behave accordingly." We're also going to change minimum required length of stay for this summer (maybe 5 days min). Have thought about adding cameras or a Ring doorbell but we have spotty coverage up there so might not be worth the hassle. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    - Don't rent to local guys
    - Check their job and background especially the company or assignment that they work for.

  • Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    5y

    I almost always can sense the bad guests. I do instant booking for those with prior reviews. When someone is booking through a request, here are the red flags: Someone who is local, people who ask questions about potential neighbors, guests who don't have great answers to why they are coming. The truth is, with over 400 guests, I have only had a very few handful that are 'bad' guests. I have had only one party type guest in this time...so if you get the spidey sense, trust it. But mostly, guests are very good.

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