PCB (Panama City Beach) 3/3 2k SqFt Townhome

PCB (Panama City Beach) 3/3 2k SqFt Townhome

Investor · Castle Pines CO · Member since 2021 · 16 posts · 10 votes

Hello. I'm looking at a Townhome that is 3 bed 3 bath, 2,000 sq ft, 2 kitchens on two different floors, peekaboo views of the ocean and is less than 1,000 ft from the water. The city is revitalizing the street with a new expanded and beautified road (palm trees, lights ect), and several old buildings are coming down and being replaced with new shops/restaurants. We've always wanted to live in FL and my goal is to live in the home as a primary residence as our family grows and then do STR in the future. My questions for those with PCB properties near the water:

1. AirDNA estimates my gross will be around $82k but Airbnb says a night rate of $180 is avg. (seems low for 2k sq ft w two kitchens) what have you found to be your gross for STR?


2. What advice would you give someone with no STR experience in this specific area?

3. In terms of remodel, what are the biggest pay offs if the target customer is multiple family clients, or clients with several children? 

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Real Estate Consultant · Panama City Beach · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 51 votes
4y

1.) I can connect you with some great property management companies in this market for more accurate income projections and let you know which to avoid. The average 3 BR here does $50k - $60k. Numbers are going to come in higher after this massive producing year we just had. 

2.) The biggest bit of advice I can tell you in this market is self manage if you can. I co-host a local real estate investor meet up and our next topic is short term rental systems for self managers. I'm writing a seminar on this now specific to our market to publish on a new website Q1. 

3.) Split entrances / spaces if you can to rent separately in the off season and as a whole in season. Amenities are key. 

After signing hundreds of properties into the top 2 vacation rental companies in the US, I can walk through a home in 10 minutes and let you know it's highest and best use as a STR.

And I agree with the others - make sure your realtor owns STR's or has and understands that personally, then jump in and get rolling! It's a hot market and will be for years to come with the massive infrastructure changes happening!

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  • Luke CarlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    Buy it. Put it on vrbo. Learn from your mistakes. Repeat. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Tampa, FL · Member since 2018 · 144 posts · 132 votes
    4y

    @Nikita Odnoralov Connect with a local investor/agent and get real time data form them onn similar units & always take airdna with a grain of salt. If airdna says 60k and rental projection/ data says 50k, pick the middle.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    4y

    Don't rely on Airdna. Manually check some similar properties on Vrbo and Airbnb to get a more accurate picture. 

  • Investor · Flowery Branch, GA · Member since 2019 · 413 posts · 412 votes
    4y

    Nightly rate may be $180 now, but in June it will be 3x that probably.

  • Investor · Clinton, NJ · Member since 2012 · 118 posts · 70 votes
    4y

    “Buy it. Put it on vrbo. Learn from your mistakes. Repeat.”

    This. @Luke Carl knows what he’s talking about.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Panama City Beach · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 51 votes
    4y

    1.) I can connect you with some great property management companies in this market for more accurate income projections and let you know which to avoid. The average 3 BR here does $50k - $60k. Numbers are going to come in higher after this massive producing year we just had. 

    2.) The biggest bit of advice I can tell you in this market is self manage if you can. I co-host a local real estate investor meet up and our next topic is short term rental systems for self managers. I'm writing a seminar on this now specific to our market to publish on a new website Q1. 

    3.) Split entrances / spaces if you can to rent separately in the off season and as a whole in season. Amenities are key. 

    After signing hundreds of properties into the top 2 vacation rental companies in the US, I can walk through a home in 10 minutes and let you know it's highest and best use as a STR.

    And I agree with the others - make sure your realtor owns STR's or has and understands that personally, then jump in and get rolling! It's a hot market and will be for years to come with the massive infrastructure changes happening!

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @Crystal Chaillou I would love to read/listen to the self managing seminar you are developing. How can I do that? Thanks.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Panama City Beach · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 51 votes
    4y

    @Brian G. - PM'ing you now. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Panama City Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 44 votes
    4y

    I’d argue that i know this rental market better than anyone.   82K - 1000ft from the water doesn’t seem correct.  What was the purchase price?  
    are you interested front beach rd or thomas? 

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 96 posts · 59 votes
    4y

    @Marc Jackson what would you call the average performance (gross income and net income) from a PCB Townhome within say 5 blocks of the water?

  • Rental Property Investor · Panama City Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 44 votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Doug H.:

    @Marc Jackson what would you call the average performance (gross income and net income) from a PCB Townhome within say 5 blocks of the water?

     Less than 82K gross. 

  • Investor · Castle Pines CO · Member since 2021 · 16 posts · 10 votes
    4y

    The property failed inspection due to a ton of mold and water damage. We are back on the hunt. The Neigbor showed me his VRBO, he did over $72,000 two blocks from the beach. He does not have a water view and has the same exact 2,000 square ft unit. I suppose it possible!

  • NV · Member since 2017 · 70 posts · 5 votes
    4y

    @marc 

    @Marc Jackson who is your Manager for your STR? any recommendations?

  • NV · Member since 2017 · 70 posts · 5 votes
    4y

    @Crystal Ball PM me too. id like to join that seminar (If im not too late yet). 

  • Rental Property Investor · Panama City Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 44 votes
    4y

    I self manage my properties. 

    @Jonathan A.

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