Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 0 votes
Hey Bigger Pockets Forum! My question (and discussion) for everyone out there is this:
I am a new investor looking for my 1st deal. I live in the Denver Market and I would prefer to get my feet wet by purchasing my 1st property locally versus a property in another market that I would not be able to physically drive to. Because the Denver Market is extremely hot and properties are very expensive, I am very curious on what experienced investors are seeing on recent deals (within 2017) for CAP Rates, monthly cash flow, and cash on cash returns?
I am curious to compare my analysis results to what more experienced investors are targeting for their minimum CAP rates, monthly cash flow, and cash on cash returns to determine what a "Good" deal really is besides comparing to the average 7% from the stock market
Thanks and I look forward to hearing from everyone!
Real Estate Agent · Post Falls, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
8y
@Bryan Henry - I am house hacking a duplex in June 2017 that is treating me very nicely. I'm happy to share my numbers, though they are a bit inflated. The reason is that I only put 3.5% down (crazy Cash on Cash) and I am AirBnbing out my bedroom (I made a pseudo bedroom out of my living room).
I highly recommend checking out any of @Charles Roberts classes at Your Castle Real Estate. He's the real deal! Also, @Chris Lopez puts on an awesome podcast alongside Charles which focuses solely on Denver Real estate investing. It's awesome stuff!
Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 858 votes
8y
@Bryan Henry I'm assuming you're talking about a straight buy and hold rental, correct?
First off, as long as you use leverage, you'll most likely outperform the stock market. I learned from one of @Charles Roberts classes that a 6% cap rate property with 25% down still still greatly outperform the stock market. He went into some interesting data analysis.
Condos and townhomes are 7.5 - 8.5 cap. 10-15% cash on cash return.
Multis are 5 to 6.5
Single-family homes vary depending on location.
If your bench mark is just to beat the S&P 500, don't worry too much about which property type to buy... just buy using leverage!
Property Manager · Lone Tree, CO · Member since 2014 · 32 posts · 35 votes
8y
Welcome to Bigger Pockets Bryan! Chris must be spot on with the multifamily numbers based on the offers that I have been putting in lately. About two weeks ago, I offered on a duplex in Denver for what was 7.23% cash-on-cash and a Cap Rate of 6.89% (based on my estimated numbers, not the listing agents). We were $75K over asking, and still did not get the property. So if other investors are using the numbers Chris stated around 5 to 6.5, it would make sense why my offers are not getting selected.
Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 858 votes
8y
@Jim Shonts Wow, a 6.9 cap for a duplex is really good. Was that based on your 75k+ over asking price offer? What were the rest of the numbers like? I did quite a bit of research into multis a couple of months ago. I'll send over you over what I found. It was interesting!
Real Estate Agent · Post Falls, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
8y
@Bryan Henry - I am house hacking a duplex in June 2017 that is treating me very nicely. I'm happy to share my numbers, though they are a bit inflated. The reason is that I only put 3.5% down (crazy Cash on Cash) and I am AirBnbing out my bedroom (I made a pseudo bedroom out of my living room).
I highly recommend checking out any of @Charles Roberts classes at Your Castle Real Estate. He's the real deal! Also, @Chris Lopez puts on an awesome podcast alongside Charles which focuses solely on Denver Real estate investing. It's awesome stuff!