New member, looking to invest in Athens, Greece.

New member, looking to invest in Athens, Greece.

Editor and photographer · Athens, Attica · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote

Hi everyone,

I am a guy from Norway, in the process of investing in apartments in Athens, Greece. Anyone here who have, or are considering, investing in Athens, or other areas in Greece?

Thanks,

Endre.

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Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
11y

@Endre Vestvik

Welcome to Bigger Pockets. It is a good community to network and learn about all aspects of real-estate investing.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Sandefjord, Norway · Member since 2015 · 202 posts · 87 votes
    11y

    Personally I dont see greece laws regarding real estate being very attractive. 

    Care to share why you wish to be in the greek economy and market?

  • Project Engineer · Miami Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 203 posts · 64 votes
    11y

    The good thing in apartments in Greece, is maintenance is close to 0...that means that your holding costs will be minimal and you can wait for appreciation if we assume that the economy will eventually go better (10 years from now if you ask me)

    Consult with a tax accountant for your taxes as a foreigner.

    To rent out its a little tricky since tenant law is quite liberal. 

    Personally because my wife and I already own real estate in Greece (Moschato, Myconos, Voula) from inheritance, I started investing in the rise of the economy through shares of national bank of greece. If real estate will go up 100% I believe that stock will go even more up. Check it out...

    Unless you have other reasons you want to invest.

    I can answer any questions you have

  • Editor and photographer · Athens, Attica · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Hi guys!

    Thanks for replying. 

    I'm still in the research phase. I just came back from a trip to Athens, where I found some very interesting properties, met with a lawyer, a bank, an accountant, and found a great guy to potentially work together with, doing the day to day management. So I'm already starting to build my team!

    But I know I still have a lot to learn. 

    At the same time, the prices in Athens are very low at the moment. Is the the bottom? Nobody knows, but I suspect this could be the perfect time to get in.

    I plan to do short term rental to the tourism market. Tourism in Greece is stronger than ever. And Athens? It's an incredible city, witch will always by one of the most attractive and unique destinations in the World.

  • Project Engineer · Miami Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 203 posts · 64 votes
    11y

    The areas of Athens that are cheap, I wouldnt live there. What areas did you see the deals , so I inderstand where you were thinking.

  • Editor and photographer · Athens, Attica · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    They are in my favorite part of Athens: Psirri.

  • Athens, Greece · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    11y

    Hi 

    I would suggest to look into a different area than Psirri unless you only wish to market the property to tourists, in which case it would be ok. Psirri is lovely for shops, restaurants and cafes but I would not personally view it as a good option for renting thourghout the year. In my opinion if you are looking for somewhere really cheap in terms of purchase value I would look into other areas of central Athens, such as Patissia. Very close to city centre, low purchase value and better renting prospects. Plus the public schools in the area are relatively ok so you can get families in which tent to be more stable tenants. 

    If you want to solely go with the renting to tourists option I would then recommend areas such as Pedion Areos or Eksarchia. Really affordable properties and if you do your research you can find absolute gems there. All of the suggestions above are in close proximity to train or metro stations and buses so giving easy access to the rest of the city.

    Good luck with your search! 

  • Editor and photographer · Athens, Attica · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Hi Konstantina,

    Thanks for your input! 

    As I'm targeting the short term tourists market, schools and other qualities that are important to local families looking for long term rental is of less importance to me. 

    I like Psirri (and the other areas around Monastiraki) because of the walking distance to all the important sights, the direct metro line to the airport as well as to Piraeus, as well as of course the atmosphere and the cool neighborhood. 

    But I will definitely check out the areas you suggested! I don't know much about those yet. 

    Thanks!

  • Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 12 votes
    11y

    Is Ekali still the super nice/wealthy part?  Moroussi was nice as I recall, felt the most suburban of all the areas I was in, seemed like it could be an option.

  • Athens, Greece · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    11y

    Ekali is a great area but it is soooooo expensive! There are parts of Ekali which could easily compete in prices with London. Marousi is indeed excellent but would really suit someone looking for a long term let. Plus for long term lets you could go to Neo Irakleio which is just "next door" to Marousi with cheaper properties and much more convenient train and bus connections.

  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Endre Vestvik

    Welcome to Bigger Pockets. It is a good community to network and learn about all aspects of real-estate investing.

  • Jerusalem, Israel · Member since 2015 · 144 posts · 14 votes
    11y

    @Endre Vestvik

    Hi and good luck investing! 

    Love Greece and surely see the appreciation value, but beware and remember to make the money going in.. I am too interested in vacation rentals in europe, are you already in the game? Do you plan on doing so remotely?

  • Editor and photographer · Athens, Attica · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Thanks, Mark and Guyoz.

    This would be my first venture into real estate investing. We plan to do it remotely, but of course with an excellent local team, which we have already started building.

    I'm going back to Athens next week to meet with more banks, and to have the apartments we so far have found that are of interest, professionally inspected by an engineer.

    This is very exciting! And also a little bit scary... Everything is unknown territory, but we keep learning, every day and through every person we meet. Not least from the helpful community here on BP!

  • Investor · Beacon, NY · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 7 votes
    11y

    I just came from Greece and if you are targeting vacation rentals you could be OK but the local market is abysmal. There is no practical way to evict someone, I had to pay a renter to leave. In a commercial property that is rented by a bank they just make up their own rent that they want to pay.

    But be very careful, the climate it is very hostile to investors.

    Good luck!

  • Project Engineer · Miami Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 203 posts · 64 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Alex Halimou:

    I just came from Greece and if you are targeting vacation rentals you could be OK but the local market is abysmal. There is no practical way to evict someone, I had to pay a renter to leave. In a commercial property that is rented by a bank they just make up their own rent that they want to pay.

    But be very careful, the climate it is very hostile to investors.

    Good luck!

     Real estate investing and socialist countries dont go good together...lol

    I heard the other day they want to tax on rental income that was not received...loool

    One of the many reasons I left...

  • Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2014 · 66 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    they are already tax the landlords for  uncolected rent as i have paid  such taxes .I alsofind dificult to find Property Management co.

  • New to Real Estate · Eindhoven, Netherlands · Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Pavlos Kasselouris still invested in Voula? We’re looking to buy and house hack!

  • Project Engineer · Miami Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 203 posts · 64 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Pavlos Kasselouris still invested in Voula? We’re looking to buy and house hack!

     Its my wife's property,  but yes still have it. Its rented out, but Im personally not involved. 

    When you are saying house hack, what are you looking to do? Use it as a vacation home and airbnb it the rest of the time, or live and rent rooms?

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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    Welcome to BiggerPockers Endre and best of luck investing!

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