Real Estate investor in SE Michigan

Real Estate investor in SE Michigan

Investor · MI · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 6 votes

Hello BP!

I'm a 27 year old real estate investor. I graduated with a bachelors degree in Biology in 2009 and upon receiving my first "real" job, was offered to contribute to a retirement plan. I turned it down because I didn't understand it. Hearing stuff about "Lehman Brothers", "Bernie Madoff", and stories from a  a co-worker during college who has been trying to retire since 2000 (but failed due to losing money the dot-com crash, Enron, and the "Great recession") made me skeptical of investment "experts."

I tried to read whatever I could find online but it was mostly telling me to save and invest in a 401k. I wanted more than canned advice. I tried to read the Intelligent Investor but it went way over my head. Finally, a friend of mine recommended Rich Dad Poor Dad and it caused a paradigm shift the way I thought. 

I knew stuff was happening with mortgages and property values were dropping. I didn't really know what was going on but houses here in southeast Michigan were on sale for a dollar! We partnered up and got into real estate. So we saved for a year and were able to go 50/50 on a house in suburban Detroit. We also "hired" someone to fill the role of "property manager" for a few bucks a month (we never even knew that term). It went horribly and we ended up losing money. Looking back, it could've been way worse but it spooked my friend out so much he wanted out. I paid him what he put into it and decided to read Kiyoaskis other books and learned to assemble a team, the importance of having an LLC, and learned the term "property management."

2011 and 2012 were the bottom of the market in metro Detroit and I actually was able to save for a second house by the end of 2012. The second property went a lot smoother. I found an excellent property manager and started running it like an actual business. I gave myself a set salary, kept minimum reserves, and let the company start financially sustaining itself.

The company cashflowed, property values significantly rose (along with rents), and I recently purchased my third SFH with no mortgage. I expect property #3 to be cashflowing by December.

With my current budget, I don't see how I can comfortably cashflow and have a mortgage so my next home purchase may have to happen after I finish grad school. Looking for ideas, I stumbled upon Bigger Pockets so I hope to have a light bulb moment and learn how to finance a property. 

My current budget for any property looks like this:

33% of revenue is my salary

26% for taxes (purposely exaggerated)

9% for property management

7% for insurance

2% eviction court fees cushion

23% for reserves

I don't know where I can cut back to afford a mortgage. 

My current property manager is wonderful but of course I need to be an active participant in my own business. However, everything with the business is automated. I make phone calls to my preferred and trusted contractors, review my managers financial statements, and update my own following my CPA's advice and framework-so come tax time, it's ready to go. 

It really doesn't take more than an hour or two a month. 

I'm considering going to graduate school. I want to use my "salary" to partially pay for my living expenses while I'm in school. I'm grateful for getting involved in REI and hope to continue learning and growing my business!

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Investor/Landlord · Farmington Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Kah M., there are many REIA groups in SE Michigan. I recommend you attend some meetings (they are easy to find with a web search). There are also a lot of active RE investors in our area. Once you connect with a few you may be able to find just what you are looking for.

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    Biggerpockets Support · Las Pinas, Metro Manila · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Kah M.

    Welcome to the site. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Port Huron, MI · Member since 2012 · 295 posts · 82 votes
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    @Kah M. Hello Karim, welcome to the site! I am not sure anyone will be able to help you with your question of where to cut back so you can get a mortgage with out real numbers instead of percentages. I am also not 100% sure where you are buying so I can't use numbers that may be relevant to your area. Let's pretend you are buying in Warren though since you said suburb of Detroit. You can get a house for 45,000 in Warren and rent that property for 900. 75% of 45,000 (25% for down payment) means you have a mortgage of 33,750. That payment equals out to roughly 181 with a 5% interest rate amortized over 30 years. Taxes are roughly 125 a month, property management is 70, insurance should be 40 a month. Now you are down to 900-181-125-70-40=484. Now you are going to want to calculate capital expenditures. So how much life is left on your roof, water heater, furnace, decks, garage door, sidewalk, driveway and then take the years left and divide by the cost it takes to fix it. Say you have 10 years on your roof and it will cost 5,000 to fix so 5,000/120(months left)=41.66 so you need to put away 41.66 each month into a capital expenditures account to account for this repair. Do the same with everything else and whatever is left after all these expenditures is your profit. Divide your profit and only your profit up as you see fit, whether you want to pay yourself or use it to reinvest is up to you. There is a lot of information on this site that is a lot more detailed then what I just put out there. I would also recommend checking out the calculators this site has to offer as they may remind you of an expense you maybe forgetting about. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask!

  • Real Estate Consultant · Brighton, MI · Member since 2013 · 607 posts · 251 votes
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    Hi Karim,

    I'm a licensed Realtor in Southeast Michigan.  I primarily focus in Livingston & Oakland with parts of Washtenaw counties.  Sometimes I get the heads up on "off market" deals in areas like Ypsi & Livonia.  Ypsilanti is a pretty strong rental market, better tenants than Detroit, for sure.  Depends on what side of Ypsilanti you're in, some are considerably better than others. Rentals there range from $900/mo to $1100/mo. I know of an investor who's in the midst of off loading a large number of rented property in Ypsi.  They are going for $45K each. But I'm sure he'd negotiate if you offered to purchase more than one.  If you're interested, I'd be happy to share this information.

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 6 votes
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    Originally posted by @Annette Hibbler:

    Hi Karim,

    I'm a licensed Realtor in Southeast Michigan.  I primarily focus in Livingston & Oakland with parts of Washtenaw counties.  Sometimes I get the heads up on "off market" deals in areas like Ypsi & Livonia.  Ypsilanti is a pretty strong rental market, better tenants than Detroit, for sure.  Depends on what side of Ypsilanti you're in, some are considerably better than others. Rentals there range from $900/mo to $1100/mo. I know of an investor who's in the midst of off loading a large number of rented property in Ypsi.  They are going for $45K each. But I'm sure he'd negotiate if you offered to purchase more than one.  If you're interested, I'd be happy to share this information.

     Thank you for letting me know! I wish I had the knowledge to take out loans and purchase several properties at once but I'm not ready for that just yet. I have good credit and no debt but I expect my personal income to drop soon (going back to school) which may make getting financing difficult. I'm here to learn if there is any way to resolve this problem

  • Jerusalem, Israel · Member since 2015 · 144 posts · 14 votes
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    Welcome @Kah M., hope you'll enjoy the journey on BP.

  • Investor/Landlord · Farmington Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Kah M., there are many REIA groups in SE Michigan. I recommend you attend some meetings (they are easy to find with a web search). There are also a lot of active RE investors in our area. Once you connect with a few you may be able to find just what you are looking for.

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