Complete Newbie in Colorado Springs - seeking advice on updating

Complete Newbie in Colorado Springs - seeking advice on updating

Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes

Hello! I am no kind of real estate professional, but my husband and I are considering renting out our house while PCSsed elsewhere. He's in the Navy, just got PCSsed to San Diego, and we're looking into having me follow him in a few months, but we don't want to get rid of our home!

We own a fairly well-maintained Victorian in the Downtown Colorado Springs area, and we know that there are certain levels of 'ok' to a rental property. I'm here to start doing some research so we know what we need to invest into the property before renting, as well as get an idea of what else we need to focus on if we decide to move forward with this.

Our house was built in 1901, and is a beautiful 4-bedroom, 2-story house with a half (unfinished) basement. The previous owners put in an amazing 2 1/2 car garage, and it is on a 9,500 square foot property. We've replaced the stove to a gorgeous new 5-burner, and already know some projects that MUST be done before we rent, but there are a few things I'd like advice from the pros on to know if we need to throw money at it or not - because unfortunately, there's only so much we'll be able to afford, so that will help us decide if we *can* rent our home out or if we need to be more practical and sell.

My major area of concern is our walls - the majority of the interior is painted-over wallpaper, and we all know what an eyesore that can be. With the original lathe and plaster walls, having everything taken care of properly is going to be an expensive project! Is that an upgrade those of you who have done this before would do? Would you, instead, plan to invade your renters' space every few months to get a new room done? Or would you leave it, still rent the place, and plan on working on it yourself when you moved back in several years down the line?

With that asked - how much would we expect to have to lower the rent for the painted-over wallpaper? The rest of the house is in excellent condition - the electrical was updated right before we moved in, the roof was replaced as we were moving in, and the original 100-year-plus-year-old floors are in amazing shape, considering that they're fir!

We are *definitely* planning on finding a property manager, as long-distance, out-of-state management of our house (especially while learning the ropes) doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I'm definitely *NOT* looking for a mentor, just the opinions of those further down the road learning this stuff than I am! I've always been into doing my research before taking a leap like this, and it seems silly not to see if someone else has already been in a similar situation. Anyways, thanks for reading through my babble - I'd love a chance to lean on your expertise so that we make the right decision and set ourselves up for success.

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Patrick LiskaPro Member
Investor · Verona, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 832 votes
10y

Lei,

If you have plaster walls, stripping wallpaper from them will be easier than if you had drywall walls. but i would wait on doing that, paint over the wallpaper now to freshen the rooms up and leave it for the tenants like that. i would not recommend allowing the tenants to paint, you don't know how good they are and it may end up on the floor and places you wouldn't think, making it more of a project to fix when you want to move back in. just because you are painting over wallpaper does not mean you have to lower rent. right now that wallpaper will help protect your plaster walls a little with tenants in there and keep the plaster from breaking off if they hit it hard enough, they leave, you strip the wall paper with the paint on it and you have a clean slate to do what you want in your home.

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  • Pueblo, CO · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    http://pinkrealty.com/property-management-and-rent...

    These people came pretty highly recommended to me by someone who works exclusively in rental properties. 

    I would consider allowing the tenant to paint the walls how they want.

    Good luck, hope this helps some!

  • Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thank you for the recommendation, Jonathan! I'll definitely contact them and see what makes them special in the property management field - I plan on contacting at least 3 companies to make sure we end up with someone that not only does a good job, but who we integrate well with.

    I did forget to mention above that in several rooms of the house there is either bubbling in the painted-over wallpaper or noticeable seaming/places you can see they tried to strip wallpaper from at least part of the walls.

    Oh, and it's not just the walls - the rooms that haven't been updated (the updated rooms being the kitchen and both bathrooms - the stairway is textured, so I don't know if they just layered it on top or stripped and textured) have the painted-over wallpaper on the ceilings, too! It's a big project that I'm eventually going to tackle, but it's very daunting (and a little depressing) to look into getting it done for someone else in my own home!

  • Patrick LiskaPro Member
    Investor · Verona, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 832 votes
    10y

    Lei,

    If you have plaster walls, stripping wallpaper from them will be easier than if you had drywall walls. but i would wait on doing that, paint over the wallpaper now to freshen the rooms up and leave it for the tenants like that. i would not recommend allowing the tenants to paint, you don't know how good they are and it may end up on the floor and places you wouldn't think, making it more of a project to fix when you want to move back in. just because you are painting over wallpaper does not mean you have to lower rent. right now that wallpaper will help protect your plaster walls a little with tenants in there and keep the plaster from breaking off if they hit it hard enough, they leave, you strip the wall paper with the paint on it and you have a clean slate to do what you want in your home.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2013 · 325 posts · 117 votes
    10y

    @Lei Frazier - From one Navy vet to another - Fair winds and following seas to San Diego. I have fond memories of my time stationed at the ASW Training Center in Point Loma. If still there, Horton Plaza downtown is a great place to shop. They had a Cinnabon or similar bakery that taunted shoppers with an exhaust that filled the mall with heavenly delight. Oh, and the downtown YMCA had this photographer in it that did an amazing job turning ordinary into extraordinary! But I digress. 

    Where you will have to address the bubbling, etc to get full market rent, I'm with Patrick not thinking you will necessarily have to lower rent to compensate for painted-over wallpaper, so long as it looks good relative to age and condition with Victorian charm as a compensating factor. Incidentally and not that you asked, with an exception being higher end clients, the charm can be an intangible for the majority, who seek a certain number of beds, baths, size, commute time and other tangibles instead. This is not to say there can't be a premium for it, just that the client pool may be smaller because of it.

    It's a great idea to talk to a few property management companies, as some understand investment real estate better than others. Feel free to connect for another to consider.

    All the best!

  • Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thank you so much for your advice, Patrick and Norberto!

    Unfortunately, Norberto, the Old North End has much higher property values than my area, but it gives me a good place to start!

    For your continued sage advice - as far as addressing the bubbling wallpaper spots, do you have a technique you recommend? Should I just strip the bubbles, sand a little bit, and repaint? Is that good enough?

  • Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 59 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Have you attempted to get quotes from painters regarding the cost to strip and paint? Maybe it's cheaper than you think.

    Also, if you really want to see how well a property manager performs, you could also ask if they would do such maintenance on the property or not. It's likely to help you figure out the extent of services they will or won't provide. You don't want to move to Cali just to spend your money flying back to handle regular maintenance they don't work on.

  • Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Hi, Trevor! The last time I got a quote, it was $2,000 for the living room alone! While I'm willing to pay for that if I'm going to live here, I'm not going to dump what would probably be about $8,000 into getting all of the walls and ceilings redone if I don't absolutely have to if we're planning on renting it out - because chances are that I'd need to get everything redone when we move back in, anyways!

    I'm already compiling a list of questions for property managers I meet with, and what maintenance they're willing to do on the property is definitely a big bullet!

  • Patrick LiskaPro Member
    Investor · Verona, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 832 votes
    10y

    Lei,

    As far as wall paper bubbling, take a syringe fill it with glue / wall paper adhesive, poke it into the bubble, inject a little glue or adhesive and then take a straight edge ( like a credit card - better us of it then using it spend money) and press out the air that is trapped behind it, and it will spread the adhesive , and your done.

  • Bill S.Pro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Lei Frazier it sounds like you really love your home. NO ONE will care for it like you would so be ready for some heart ache. No mater how carefully you select a pm and they select a tenant there will be damage. It happens so gird yourself for it. Personally I would paint the wall paper and call it good but I don't have any property that rents for $3k per month either. I do have a craftsman bungalow that has painted wall paper in it (happened several times before we owned it). It doesn't seem to bother the tenants and they pay about $1,600 per month. I have been told that if you paint wall paper you can forget about ever removing it. After you paint it, the only way for the wall paper to go away is for the plaster and lathe to go away. Not sure if you have considered that. 

    Keep in mind most folks that can afford expensive rent usually buy instead of enriching their landlord. Your tenant pool for a period victorian restoration rental is going to be fairly small. Best market would be to a group of folks if you set it up right they will just keep rotating roommates in and out and you will have full rent all the time. The house will likely get hammered over the course of 4-6 years but if managed properly you can do well financially. Not sure what the house will think though.

  • Rental Property Investor · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2015 · 2 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    I have been using Tyrell Anderson for a long time as my property manager. He does a great job and has an approach to management I haven't seen anywhere else that benefits me and my tenants. I will PM you his contact info.

  • Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thanks for the advice, Bill! I already know that my house definitely wouldn't rent at $3k per month! I think we're hoping to rent it for about the same as your bungalow.

    We've definitely thought about removing the lathe and plasterwork. We'll see what happens when we finally get around to trying to deal with the project - it all depends on how cooperative everything is. Am I wrong in thinking that the lathe and plaster helps a bit with the insulation of the house and sound deadening?

    We've definitely thought about renting as a roommate situation. I think it all depends on what I hear back from the property managers I'm consulting. We're not going to be ready to actually do this until about January, I think, but on something as big as this, I'd really like to have all of my ducks in a row.

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