New member - Investor friendly agent, ready to invest. advice

New member - Investor friendly agent, ready to invest. advice

Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 4 votes

Hi BP,

My name is Kelsey. I am a Realtor located in Philadelphia who is ready to start investing in my own deals. For the past three years I have been working part-time as an agent while also a student at Temple studying real estate finance. I came across BP a while back but just recently started listening to all of the podcast and finally decided to join the site.

After taking a re investment finance course at school this past semester, my eyes were opened to the potential of investing. As a final project we were all tasked with putting together a sample commercial investment deal then presenting it to the class. My partner and i had to do a market analysis from international to local level, predict the value of our property (a mixed-use building) using noi, and cap rates derived from several methods, calculate before and after-tax cash flows, npv,  irr, rules of thumb etc. then decide to accept or reject the project. 

Working on this project, listening to bigger pockets podcast 24/7, combined with the experience I have as an agent has finally given me the confidence to jump into one my own deals. 

I am currently speaking with the owner of a 5-unit in Mt. Airy who has expressed interest in selling and told me to"make him an offer". I decided to put together a small version of what I did for my project (just numbers) to present to my potential lenders and money partners since I don't have a track record to show for investing at the moment, just brokered deals.  Thoughts on this? Should I tie up the property before i know I will be able to finance the deal? Based on everything I've learned from the bp podcast the answer is yes (lol), but I am still unsure for some reason. Especially because I am licensed. As far as I know disclosure is king, but you never know there may be a hidden rule out there. Can anyone provide any insight?

Thanks,

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Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 885 votes
9y

@Kelsey Marshall I've been to Philly, in fact I was stuck at the airport in a blizzard one year. ;-)

Always start with owner financing. Save the bank for projects you love that you can't find owner financing for. I would use Subject To if there is current financing and Owner Carry if it is free and clear. Suggest his tax bite is less, if he does owner financing because things are spread out over time. Keep in mind that numbers can be "fudged". Ask for documents for each of the rent rolls, utilities, etc. Don't go with a Proforma. I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge and convince you it would be profitable by Proforma.

Congrats on finding a project you like and are moving forward on.

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  • Wholesaler · Council Bluffs, IA · Member since 2017 · 28 posts · 23 votes
    9y

    I cant offer any advice, but i will Say Congratulations and Good Luck! That is amazing and Inspiring!

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 88 posts · 15 votes
    9y
    @Kelsey Marshall Congrats! The course that you took sounds like it was very beneficial. I'm in a similar position as you right now. I'm a licensed realtor in the city and also looking to jump into the investing side (flips). I like how you are putting together a presentation for the lenders, it shows your professionalism and that this isn't just some hobby. I'm sure some guys will say tie up the property first but I would try and speak to the lenders first. It sounds like you have a good deal. Regarding the disclosure, yes, you will have to disclosure that you are a licensed agent. Confirm with you broker first.

    Good luck!

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @David White Thanks.

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Tom Doherty Thanks for the reply. Yes , that is what I was hoping to convey to the lender. Since the property is off market I may be safe to shop around for the money, I just didn't want to let too many days go by.  

  • Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (PA) · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    @Kelsey Marshall that sounds exciting, hopefully you can pull off the financing.  Did you ask the owner what he was doing with the sale of the property?  If he's retiring, perhaps owner financing at a higher interest rate may peek his interest, until you established 20% down on the property to refinance through a traditional lender? 

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Michael James yes hopefully so. Also, no I did not ask about that good point. I did however have owner financing in the back of my mind if for some reason the private and/or bank financing does not work out.  My goal is to get the property at a slight discount, make a few improvements, increase rents to market, try to reduce the expenses, pull cash out for the next deal and hold it long term. Today I got verbal commitment from my money partner so I plan to make the offer tommorow. I figure if I have the cash committed to fund the equity and a good deal, I should be able to get the financing.

  • Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 885 votes
    9y

    @Kelsey Marshall I've been to Philly, in fact I was stuck at the airport in a blizzard one year. ;-)

    Always start with owner financing. Save the bank for projects you love that you can't find owner financing for. I would use Subject To if there is current financing and Owner Carry if it is free and clear. Suggest his tax bite is less, if he does owner financing because things are spread out over time. Keep in mind that numbers can be "fudged". Ask for documents for each of the rent rolls, utilities, etc. Don't go with a Proforma. I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge and convince you it would be profitable by Proforma.

    Congrats on finding a project you like and are moving forward on.

  • Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (PA) · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    @Kelsey Marshall congratulations!!!!  Hopefully, everything goes smoothly for you!  Take pictures of the before and after work, I always enjoy seeing people's progress and successes!!! 

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Account Closed Hopefully that was not your only experience with Philly. Thank you for the advice. Too bad I made my offer today and the seller and I could not come to an agreement. He wants "alot more" than I am offering but could not tell me what that number is. My offer was "not even in the ball park". I kind of think I caught him at a bad time though. He sort of rushed me into giving him my offer with a "well go ahead and tell me what it is", then quickly rejected with the above and said he had to go. I offered around 80% MV.  I plan to reach out again in a few days and hopefully catch him in the mood to negotiate. He did say that he was ready to sell after all.

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