Newbie wants a better life

Newbie wants a better life

Real Estate Professional · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 6 votes

Hey everyone, I'm fairly new here. I signed up at some point last year, but I can't even remember when. Can't remember if I introduced myself.

Anyhow, I haven't really delved into this too seriously, probably because I don't have a lot of confidence in myself, but today I watched the webinar on the 45-day challenge. I was hoping to learn a lot more on there than I did, but it turns out I learned that I have a lot more to learn. LOL It did give me a good kick in the pants, though, it made me realize that I really have to put more work into learning what I need to learn if I want to get into this business of investing.

I'm sick of this business of living paycheck-to-paycheck and never having enough money for when things come up, or to go on vacations, or to buy gifts for friends and family on birthdays and such. I keep coming back to the fact that the only way I'm going to get out of this rut is to get into real estate investing.

I have bad credit and no money, so I will have to learn how to invest zero, zilch, nada. I wanted to sign up as a pro tonight, but I don't even have the $290. I seriously considered borrowing money from one of those title loan places, which I've done before, but with over 200% interest, that is just not a good idea.

I wanted to take advantage of the cheaper price, and get locked in for 20% off in future years, as the price is going up $100 tonight, but I'm just going to have to resign myself to the fact that it's not going to happen right now. I'll just have to learn as much as I can with all the free stuff on here, and get the different books that BP sells.

Even though I may not be able to get a deal by the end of the day, I am going to commit to putting at least 15 to 20 minutes a day or more into learning all I can about this investing business. For years I've wanted to get into this, so now I'm going to take it seriously. A person gets to a point eventually when they say, enough is enough!

Okay, I better quit here before this becomes a novel. I think it already has. Have a great night, everyone!

2Reply
318 views

Most Popular Reply

Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
8y

OK, give them up.  Today.  That's a couple hundred bucks a month savings right there.  Not to mention TV is just a big time sucker and you have better things to do with your time.  Buy a $10 coffee maker at Walmart and make your own coffee.

While I would say this as "spend less than you make" this is the absolute key practice to accumulate any wealth.  No matter how little or how much you make if you cannot save at least a silver out of each paycheck you will NEVER accumulate anything.

Real estate is full of shysters who prey on desperate people with visions of quick and easy wealth.  You must avoid falling for those.

There are two ways to make money with real estate.  One is a real estate job - agent, builder, fix and flipper, wholesale, property manager, etc.  Where you put your LABOR into earning a paycheck.  The other is investing, where you put your CAPITAL into earning a paycheck.  Labor and capital are ultimately the only two sources of income.  Since you have no capital, you have to supply labor.  Unfortunately, most of those RE jobs, even wholesaling, require some amount of money.  And jobs like wholesaling and being an agent are commissioned sales.  You only get paid when you close a deal.  You can put in a lot of time and effort and no small amount of money and never make a dime.  This is where many of the gurus really make me angry.  They sell a dream that you have very little chance of achieving.  They have no problem convincing you to spend thousands of dollars, usually on credit cards, to buy their crap. Don't fall for it.

Real estate investing is an investment.  You must have money to invest.  Until you accumulate some cash, this just is not an option.  Any more than buying stocks, bonds or a bank CD.

A real estate job may or may not be your best path to generating income.  You say you're driving, but have a lot of downtime.  Have you looked into alternative driving gigs?  Uber and Lyft are the obvious ones, but there are many others.  My son worked for a company that delivered prescriptions to nursing homes and similar facilities.  They were paid for wait time.  He worked at a different company couriering documents and such.   And then at a third company as a dispatcher.  So, you have numerous jobs similar to what you do now.

Think about getting a second job.  There are 168 hours in a week.  If you sleep for 56 of those that still leaves 112 hours.  Plenty of time for two full time jobs.  I've had tenants tell me, "Jon, call right at 5:00 because that's when I'm on my way from my first job to my second."  There are free, online courses like Coursera, Kahn academy, and many others. Wikipedia has a list with many entries. Spend some time poking around on these before spending a dime on education.  Spend some time on job sites to see what skills are in demand.  Find something of interest, where you can find some training, and that is in demand and spend a few hours (not 15-20) minutes learning.

You don't need a pro account to read any forum or to post in any of the discussion forums.  A pro account gives you the ability to advertise.  You don't need that at this time.

There is no miracle with real estate.   When you say "I keep coming back to the fact that the only way I'm going to get out of this rut is to get into real estate investing", you're already falling for the hype.  The is NOT a fact.   Real estate might or might not be good for you.  But I can guarantee it will not make you rich quick and easy.

See this reply in the discussion

99 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Real Estate Professional · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 6 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Kimo Kalihi:
    Hey Karen, I think you should focus on your money management from the sound of it. Someone else mentioned Dave Ramsey's financial Peace University. That's a good start or even just reading his book The Total Makeover and listening to his podcast. Also, the book Set For Life by Scott Trench is really good. He shows you how to cut a lot of expenses and live on less, comfortably while saving half your income or more to build up enough reserves to cover all your monthly expenses for a year or longer so you can go out and try a new career choice or start a business and still be able to pay your bills if it doesn't pay as much initially.

     Thank you for your input, Kimo. I will definitely be focusing more on my money management right now than anything else. Yes, several other people have mentioned Dave Ramsey, in a couple others also mentions that book Set For Life. Sounds like something I really need to read! Thanks, again!

  • Real Estate Professional · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 6 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @David Marsceau:

    Hi Karen! It's great that you are motivated to better your situation and I wish you the best of luck going forward. Lots of great advice being thrown at you that's why this site is so amazing! I just want to say congrats on kicking Diabete's butt! I'm sure that wasn't easy just like this commitment to REI isn't going to be easy either. Keep using that same dedication you showed with the diabetes on REI and you WILL succeed, no matter how many obstacles you have to overcome :)

    Now for a little advice...

    like some others have already suggested, finding a side hustle is a great way to build some extra income.  If you find a way to get paid doing something you already do for fun that is the best kind of side hustle to me ! You said you like photography so I did a quick google and found this article ( and there were many more) titled " Sell your photos online: 5 webites that pay $100 per image or more" 

    https://www.thepennyhoarder.com/make-money/side-gigs/sell-your-photos-online/

    Check these out and maybe you can make some money off those amazing pictures you take!

    Also, have you considered trying to find someone that has money but not enough time to invest, to partner up with on wholesaling ?  For example, you find someone that is willing to pay for a direct mail marketing campaign and then you can use your hours of on-call time to return phone calls and set up appointments to view houses.  How good are you on the phone? Do you think you would be good at meeting with Distressed sellers ?  Just a thought, there are plenty of investors out there ( like myself ) that are dying to get into investing, and have discretionary funds, but not enough time. Or in my case just get moved around too much to get something going locally.

    I hope this helps :) 

     David, thanks for the congrats and your helpful advice! I'll check out that link that you Googled, and do some Googling myself. I also have a book that I just recently bought called the Photographer's Market, that lists many different places where I could sell my photos, including who to contact, what they're looking for, what rights they buy, etc.

    I'll be on the lookout for someone I could possibly partner up with. I'm good over the phone, although face-to-face I'm not sure how I would do, as I have zero experience with talking to distressed sellers. However, I was just distressed seller myself, so I know what it's like to be in their shoes. I have a friend who has money, but he's not interested in REI, especially since he attempted to partner up with someone in a real estate investment some years ago and got scammed. He ended up suing the guy and got his money back.

    Anyhow, thanks, again!

  • Real Estate Broker · Salem, OR · Member since 2017 · 101 posts · 43 votes
    8y

    How did he get scammed? I haven't partnered up with anyone yet but it'd be good to know what to watch out for in case I do. It's good that he got his money back.

  • Longview, TX · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 50 votes
    8y

    @Kucy Ariyoshi I don't think education is ever a waste of time. I'm also not investing in 500 unit complexes. That being said, a lot of the same principles apply to those big deals that apply to our little deals. I've also found that reading those things, even if they don't directly apply to me, keep me in the business mindset. They help keep me focused on my goals, even if they are small compared to some of the people on here. Also, so much of success is based on personal perseverance; don't get discouraged when you read comments on here that are negative. Everyone's journey is different.

  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Karen Coffelt,  welcome to BiggerPockets. I just finished reading this thread. I want to congratulate you on your desire and determination  to begin in real estate. To be honest it is easier to do it if you have money, however it is possible to do it with little to no money. But in order to do that you are likely going to need knowledge and experience.  

    On Wednesday, November 29, I will be hosting a meet up at 7:30 PM. In Mesa, Arizona. I will be talking about how my partner and I are finishing up on a deal where We put about $2400 into the deal and my partner and I will each be getting Back around $23,000 tax free (tax deferred) in a couple of weeks, plus we will be retaining a cash flowing property that will each give us an additional $50,000 or so over the next five years.

    The meet up is free. We would love to have you there. You can also network with other investors at the meeting iwhich can be really beneficial as you start out.

  • Professional · Anaheim, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 686 votes
    8y

    @Karen Coffelt

    Bigger Pockets is full of information, what you do with it becomes knowledge. For most, just information without any action. Learn all you can and take action. 

    Below is a link, that I put into action, as others. 

    Okay newbie, what are you going to do?

    Terry

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/511...

  • Professional · Anaheim, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 686 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed

    Motivation without action is nothing. I started with nothing. People who posted with nothing. It all starts with giving up one thing like daily Starbucks coffee. Then another, then another. Soon you will have your down payment.

    So if all you do is say " get real", doubt, criticize, etc. Then I will guarantee you it will never happen.

    A journey begins with a single step.

    Terry

  • Professional · Anaheim, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 686 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed

    What do you want free money? Maybe, since I heard people say it grows on trees.

    Terry

  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    Juanita is the same person that has been posting crap and has been shut down twice over the past few days. Hotteena and Julius. I’ve reported it by clicking the abuse button. Don’t feel that you have to respond to this person. They will probably be deleted again shortly.

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.