Most recent White House lie-Stimulous created jobs

Most recent White House lie-Stimulous created jobs

Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705340463/Stimulus-jobs-overstated-by-thousands.html?pg=2

This shouldn't come as a surprise, but new facts show more misrepresentations from the current administration. This is hard to believe,lol. 2.4 billion dollars given to create a new electric rubber band operated car. I guess there will be some subsidy to help stuff these glorified golf carts down our throats.
BTW, My golf cart (32 ford) in my avatar IS street legal. Also, google the article on converted bumper cars, that were turned into street legal!! Left over from a carnival bumper car ride, now on the streets. From Hummer to bumper car is quite an amazing accomplishment.
I just get a kick seeing how fast we're being led down the path to destruction as a nation. Very sad. The founding fathers had it correct, and they must be rolling over in their graves. Hard to believe America has gone from a hard working, God fearing people, to one only motivated by subsidies and entitlements, with little concern for God, marriage and family. Autos, homes, food, health care etc are all subsidized. Our country is like a little red wagon that we load bricks onto. One brick is ok, and another is added, and another, until the last one crushes the axles and foundation of the wagon. Same thing happening, imo to America with all the entitlements. Wagon will break, just a matter of when, imo. Rich in Cancun

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Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes

Originally posted by Rich Weese:

I only care about USA being compared with USA of decades ago. We are approaching 3rd rate.

We've been approaching 3rd rate for decades now.

Education in this country is a joke (we rank 9th in Math, 11th in Science worldwide), and without kids getting the best education in the world, the future of this country is bleak.

Instead of spending 50% of my tax money to "liberate" middle eastern countries, I'd rather more of that money get spent here at home improving our educational system.

As much as people think politicians are ruining this country, the decay starts at the bottom. Stupid Americans raising stupid kids who are getting horrible educations...

If the average American continues to get dumber at the current rate, we'll be lucky to remain 3rd rate...

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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Shame on you Rich. Obama's created jobs. Anita Dunn got one (thank you Uncle Mao). John Holdren got one. Van Jones has gotten at least 2 or 3 now. And look here. The Taliban are about to get a nice increase in pay: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE59Q4LH20091027?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

I can see his strategy here. Get them used to getting government checks and they may become a significant constituency.

Besides - who needs a job when you can just take money from "the rich"? Who would work?
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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BTW Rich, we should keep these to the political talk room to make it easier on the mods. It's not their fault O can't count.
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James Hiddle
Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
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Topic moved to the political forum.
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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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I really was conflicted between the political forum or other. It was an article that I posted and then commented on. No big deal where it was. It fell mostly on deaf ears, anyway. So sad and too bad for the current generation. Rich, back in FL.
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Originally posted by Rich Weese:
So sad and too bad for the current generation.

The current generation will get the goodies. 2 generations down the line they'll get the bill.
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Richard Warren
Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 447 votes
17y
Did anyone really expect it to be otherwise? As soon as O coined the phrase "created or saved" you knew you had to put the hip boots on.

How can you measure if a job was 'saved'? All I know is that unemployment in Las Vegas hit 13.9% last month. Add in those who have exhausted their benefits or stopped looking and the number is more like 20%. That's one out of every five people out of work. And the real estate market is supposed to recover how?

:cool:
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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Richard- it also doesn't include those that are "temporarily" waiting for old jobs to call them back. Also doesn't include those that are tired of looking, waiting for economy to improve and living off limited income( social security) mostly older folks. Rich
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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
Isn't that wonderful? Bunch of guys are getting together to.... agree with each other. :clap:
This is nothing new. Every administration does exactly the same. One waves a tax cut to the rich with the "trickle down economics" philosophy, while the other one just gives money away and call it job creation.
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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Eddie, Eddie, Eddie. As Last post explained, there are so many differences between any previous administration.
1. no transparency on bills being voted on
2. czar and czarinas that are appointed(not voted on) and report to only obama, Shadow govt and Cabinst with ro reporting requirements.
3. the "bunch of guys" getting together weren't even elected!! The health committee approves a bill that HASN'T even been voted on! Then obama tells 3 senators, including Dodd to get together with the puppetteer , rahm emanuel over the weekend to write THE bill. rahm wasn't even an elected official.

The chabges bring put in place have nothing to do with improving our lives. Only intent is to control our lives and guarantee re-election through re-distribution of our wealth, so long as there is wealth left to re-distribute. Rich
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Originally posted by Eddie Ziv:
This is nothing new.

So there is no "Change". So everything Obama said during his entire campaign was a complete load of crap. Given that the central promise of his campaign is now considered to be a lie.....what's the next lie?
Eddie, let me explain something about Obama. He's not a Democrat. He's not even a liberal. He's an egomaniacal Chicago thug politician who acts like a liberal democrat because he found he could use liberal democrats to achieve his own ends. You're going to end up just as angry as conservatives. You can't be happy now. You can't point to one major promise of his campaign that he's been able to definitively accomplish despite having the presidency and a majority in both the House and Senate. Oh wait, he slandered a police officer then had him over for a beer. I forgot.
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Originally posted by Eddie Ziv:
This is nothing new.

So there is no "Change". So everything Obama said during his entire campaign was a complete load of crap. Given that the central promise of his campaign is now considered to be a lie.....what's the next lie?
Eddie, let me explain something about Obama. He's not a Democrat. He's not even a liberal. He's an egomaniacal Chicago thug politician who acts like a liberal democrat because he found he could use liberal democrats to achieve his own ends. You're going to end up just as angry as conservatives. You can't be happy now. You can't point to one major promise of his campaign that he's been able to definitively accomplish despite having the presidency and a majority in both the House and Senate. Oh wait, he slandered a police officer then had him over for a beer. I forgot.
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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
Originally posted by Tom Cullen:
Tax cuts and government redistribution are not the same thing. Tax cuts create wealth and is stimulative, government redistribution consumes wealth and is wasteful.

Maybe they should just mail us a million dollar check and we'll all be rich. Get me some a dat "obama money".

"Mmm mmm mmm Barrack Hussein Obama!"

TC

This is the funniest claim ever. IT IS THE SAME THING!!!
If the government receive a certain revenue. and decides to give part of that revenue to a certain sector (The rich corporations in this case), it is exactly the same as if they give that money to a different sector (Generating projects or maintaining employment.) In both cases it is government hand out.
It is about time that you "Capitalists" will recognize that we lost the real capitalism long before Obama came to power. We don't have capitalism. All of you "Joe the bummers" out there who are concern about the government intrusion, should be more concern about your corporate intrusion (Just look at your recent credit card bill and you understand what I'm talking about) As Michael Moore said, the very few wealthy guys and corporations control the majority of wealth in the country and if you don't like Michael Moore (As I suspect...) just listen to Ron Paul who recently said on Larry king that what we really have is not capitalism but Corporatism where big corporations have the power and the money to do what is good for them!!!

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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
Originally posted by Tim Wieneke:
Originally posted by Eddie Ziv:
This is nothing new.

Originally posted by Tim Wieneke:
So there is no "Change". So everything Obama said during his entire campaign was a complete load of crap. Given that the central promise of his campaign is now considered to be a lie.....what's the next lie?

Do you really expect any president to fix an eight years disaster in eight months? You must be joking...
Originally posted by Tim Wieneke:
Eddie, let me explain something about Obama. He's not a Democrat. He's not even a liberal. He's an egomaniacal Chicago thug politician who acts like a liberal democrat because he found he could use liberal democrats to achieve his own ends. You're going to end up just as angry as conservatives. You can't be happy now. You can't point to one major promise of his campaign that he's been able to definitively accomplish despite having the presidency and a majority in both the House and Senate. Oh wait, he slandered a police officer then had him over for a beer. I forgot.

Once again Tim your demagoguery can put Joseph Goebbels to shame...

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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Eddie- you're sounding more like obama. Change the subject rather than be bothered with the facts. I listed 3 items in post above. You didn't dispute them or get ticked about them, but went on to terminology crap. i don't care what mikey moore says. I care what is going on at lightning speed to change our country with no checks and balances, and apparently no one caring. That is what is scary, imo. Rich.
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Vikram C.
Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
Guys, as someone who has lived in another country for much of his life, I can say that America is still a pretty nice country on the whole.

It is true that we have been heading towards European-style economic policy for a while now, but that is actually a trend that was started over a century back.
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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
Originally posted by Rich Weese:
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie. As Last post explained, there are so many differences between any previous administration.
1. no transparency on bills being voted on
2. czar and czarinas that are appointed(not voted on) and report to only obama, Shadow govt and Cabinst with ro reporting requirements.
3. the "bunch of guys" getting together weren't even elected!! The health committee approves a bill that HASN'T even been voted on! Then obama tells 3 senators, including Dodd to get together with the puppetteer , rahm emanuel over the weekend to write THE bill. rahm wasn't even an elected official.

The chabges bring put in place have nothing to do with improving our lives. Only intent is to control our lives and guarantee re-election through re-distribution of our wealth, so long as there is wealth left to re-distribute. Rich

OK Rich lets go one by one:
1. no transparency on bills being voted on

I agree. But that, again nothing new. Bush administering was notorious for lack of transparency which makes my point. They're all the same.

2. czar and czarinas that are appointed(not voted on)

Once again, True. But let me remind you that the first Czar ever appointed was Bill Bennett as the Drug Czar. I'm sure you remember who appointed him. Again, nothing new.

3. the "bunch of guys" getting together weren't even elected!! The health committee approves a bill that HASN'T even been voted on! Then obama tells 3 senators, including Dodd to get together with the puppetteer , rahm emanuel over the weekend to write THE bill. rahm wasn't even an elected official

I'm not sure if this is true, but I wouldn't be surpised. You are acting like it is something new. Come on Rich. This is going on in Washington since.... well probably president Washington...
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Vikram C.
Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
Here's a graph showing government spending as a percent of GDP since 1903. Socialism has been growing for over a century.

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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
17y
Eddie- quit living in the past(Bush) and start worrying about the future.

1. Bush wasn't the one that got elected PROMISING transparency and 72 hours for every bill to be available before a vote.

2.Bennett was one of a very few(can't name another one) that were appointed to something NEW. obamas czars are to provide a shadow govt(health czar) for example, over 35 currently to replace the Cabinet members, not to fill a void.

3.It should worry you if rahm emanuel (unelected) is writing a bill(that was already approved in committee). He has no right to be in that position and was put there by the comrade in chief, obama.

I don't care about clinton, bush, nixon, carter or the others. IMO, I've never seen the speed of changes or power grabbing going on in this country as we have now. Where and when it stops will determine what we will have left of a country.

Vikram- I don't care to see USA compared with India or Mexico and say "this is pretty good country". I only care about USA being compared with USA of decades ago. We are approaching 3rd rate . That doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy inside. Rich
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Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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Originally posted by Rich Weese:
I only care about USA being compared with USA of decades ago. We are approaching 3rd rate.

We've been approaching 3rd rate for decades now.
Education in this country is a joke (we rank 9th in Math, 11th in Science worldwide), and without kids getting the best education in the world, the future of this country is bleak.

Instead of spending 50% of my tax money to "liberate" middle eastern countries, I'd rather more of that money get spent here at home improving our educational system.

As much as people think politicians are ruining this country, the decay starts at the bottom. Stupid Americans raising stupid kids who are getting horrible educations...

If the average American continues to get dumber at the current rate, we'll be lucky to remain 3rd rate...
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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
OK, Rich fair enough,but here are some questions. Back then when the past was present,
Were you worried when the Bush administration spent like a drunken sailor under the pretence of homeland security?

Were you worried about the fact that under the previous administration watch this country almost went bankrupt?

Were you worried about companies getting contracts without bidding just because they were close to the plate (Dick Cheney)?
Were you worried that about unconstitutional secret surveillance?
Were you worried about CIA's secret interrogations installation around the world?
Were you worried about bunch of US attorneys being fired for not having the right political affiliation?

And the list goes on and on....

I know. every time you turn Right, it's good. Left? Not so much....Regardless....

Do I think that everything Bush did was wrong? No. His administration was instrumental in fighting malaria, aids and other diseases in Africa. His prescriptions plan for the elderly was good too. And I'm sure I can find more if I think hard enough.
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
See? No "change". It's just a continuation of business as usual and a blame game. That should have been his slogan, "Blame we can believe in."
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
Originally posted by Eddie Ziv:
Were you worried when the Bush administration spent like a drunken sailor under the pretence of homeland security?

Were you worried about the fact that under the previous administration watch this country almost went bankrupt?

Were you worried about companies getting contracts without bidding just because they were close to the plate (Dick Cheney)?
Were you worried that about unconstitutional secret surveillance?
Were you worried about CIA's secret interrogations installation around the world?
Were you worried about bunch of US attorneys being fired for not having the right political affiliation?

And the list goes on and on....

Good grief Eddie....and I'm the demagogue? Pot meet kettle.
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Rich Weese
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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
17y
J Scott- I'm not in favor of spending money ANYWHERE but here. Not to liberate, not to prop up, not by blackmailing countries. I believe our tax monies go to oVER 50 countries worldwide. We can't afford it. I don't care to continue subsidizing the pretend United Nations. Let them go elsewhere to spew their crap.

Eddie- I've stated I was not a Bush fan and rehashing the past is useless, but since you don't want to discuss the present,,,here.
1.Yes, I was worried about the spending. I'm a conservative-Bush was not.
2. I don't blame Bush for any near BK. We had 9-11 and a market melt down. Not his fault on either account.
3. All contracts should be freely bid, but if you think Haliburton is the only one in last 30 years getting special treatment, you're nuts.
4.I'm in favor of any surveillance. I'll feel bad about it being unconstitutional when the country starts following it in detail, not just the part the Libs want.
5.I'm willing to trat interrogations nicely , when our enemies do the same.
6. I'd fire all attorneys if possible.

That is the last I'll address the past. It is no more useful than taliking about Clinton lies, etc.

I don't care which party is in charge. The runaway train has left the station. Better be prepared for the worse. It seems to be coming. Rich in FL.
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Timothy W.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
Originally posted by Vikram C.:
Guys, as someone who has lived in another country for much of his life, I can say that America is still a pretty nice country on the whole.

I have to agree that for certain things, America is great. Making your wealth here is easier than in most places around the world, which is why people like yourself and Eddie come here to do so. That's the beauty of true free market - anyone can jump in at any time and do just about anything they want from real estate to movies and make a good piece of wealth from it.

I'm unconvinced as yet that the US is the place to "retire" and/or preserve wealth. Ironically it appears that countries that cater to socialists/elitists have better means of wealth preservation once you've "entered their club" and made the wealth, and territories they acquired during their expansion cater to the maximum value per dollar expenditure of the interest held in the countries that acquired them. I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised. It makes perfect sense as an elitist to keep the "playground" cheap.

This is why I'm so focused on keeping the US a capitalist country. On the world stage it gives the US market distinction as the place anyone from anywhere can come to do what they want to make as much as they want, contribute to the system along the way, then move on to whatever else it is they decide to do. The US is unique amongst the other nations of the world in regards to that opportunity in a nation this size. Canada is becoming major competition though, as can be evidenced by what their dollar is doing compared to ours. If you want a different system, make some money here then go there. Have a ball. If we take away that uniqueness however, the value drops (as the recent treasury bond sales have significantly reflected).
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Eddie Ziv
Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
17y
Originally posted by Tim Wieneke:
Originally posted by Eddie Ziv:
Were you worried when the Bush administration spent like a drunken sailor under the pretence of homeland security?

Were you worried about the fact that under the previous administration watch this country almost went bankrupt?

Were you worried about companies getting contracts without bidding just because they were close to the plate (Dick Cheney)?
Were you worried that about unconstitutional secret surveillance?
Were you worried about CIA's secret interrogations installation around the world?
Were you worried about bunch of US attorneys being fired for not having the right political affiliation?

And the list goes on and on....

Good grief Eddie....and I'm the demagogue? Pot meet kettle.

Just fighting fire with fire....
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