Salvage / rebuilt title vehicles - Lets all buy Bentleys! Anyone do it?

Salvage / rebuilt title vehicles - Lets all buy Bentleys! Anyone do it?

Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes

Alright, the last part of the title was just a joke to get people to click on this post. The real reason for the post is to see if there are any of ya'll out there who buy or have bought salvage title vics.

Buying a salvage title car has intrigued me for years but I've never done more than pursue some auctions etc. Here is my thinking;

There is definitely risk. Sounds like the industry, and the used car industry as a whole has some really shady characters, e.g. people who "replace" the damaged vehicles deployed airbags with bags of packing materials or paper. And in the salvage world there can be stuff like cars with frame damage that is covered up or repaired poorly which could have obvious negative results if you get in an accident. Hence dont buy online and dont go without taking a solid mechanic with you. As a salvage/rebuilt (what it becomes after you repair the vehicle and get inspected by your state) title, it will be harder to resell due to the unknown damage your buyer will be buying.

At the same time there are possible rewards. From most everything Im reading online, you should expect to pay at most 70% of Kelly Blue Book for a salvage vic, even if it was perfect, up to 50% or more. My bank/insurer USAA also happens to be the bomb so they will both finance and insure salvage title vehicles. Everyoneeeee on the internet freaks out about the "impossibility to sell". Maybe Im way off, but that doesnt really concern me. 1. if its a good vehicle Im going to drive it for more than a few years. 2. Just like everything, you make your money when you buy, not when you sell, so if you make a good purchase, get a good repair job, I dont really see how it would be impossible to resell. 3. depreciation is one of the biggest costs of normal vehicles n I dont really see that being as big a factor with these as theyve already taken such a hit.

Any thoughts?

...but seriously, lets buy some $45,000 Phantoms and roll up to the BP Summit in style.

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  • Houston, TX · Member since 2011 · 673 posts · 360 votes
    13y

    problem is, it takes A LOT of damage to create a totaled value on a newish car. I wouldnt have a problem with salvage title on $10k or cheaper cars, because it doesnt take much to total them and a good body shop can fix it good as new without any concerns. Friend of mine got his civic stolen, they stole his wheels and stereo and they totaled it!!! buy wheels and a radio and she was ready go

    If you were going to do it, buy it in an already wrecked condition. That way you can control the repair process.

    Also look into lemon law cars. excellent deals, and MOST of the time especially with luxury cars the issues are trivial.

  • Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes
    13y

    Sam Craven first of all, you've got a bad *** first name.
    Lemon law cars eh? I will have to put the ole Google to work and study up. Do you have any experience with them? Mind dropping any more knowledge on the subject, my internet is heinously slow on the boat.

    Your point about taking a lot of damage is another argument I keep running into. I agree its something to be aware of but I dont think its that cut and dry. I'm no mechanic so completely shooting from the hip here, but knowing how much a new car, depending on the model, depreciates just from driving it off the lot, combined with the thousands of dollars it costs for replacement quarter panels, bumpers, trunk or hood, individually, plus $800ish per airbag, plus thousands for the labor, it doesn't seem that impossible to me. Also, different insurers have different standards for what gets a salvage title.

    You bring up a good point, in some states theft recoveries are required to be salvaged, so there could very well be little to no issues with it.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2011 · 673 posts · 360 votes
    13y

    HAHA yea yours isnt so bad either!

    I have been working on cars for about 11 years now, worked my way through college doing it and last 3 yeras of college was a professional race car mechanic traveling with the teams. You are right, things are different from one insurance to the next, parts prices are differnt ect. But the reality is the labor is what nails you to the wall most of the times with large accidents where they are going on the frame straightener and cutting off parts of the unibody and grafting on the new bits. It CAN be done the right way and be good as new but you will pay for it.

    So i caution against anything higher price that has been salvaged. I have never done it, but looked into it many times on cars i could never afford. by the time you do the repairs right, you are in a pretty small equity position on a car that will be impossible to sell. SO, if you are looking at a high end luxobarge or that new Ferrari (hopefully not a carbon chassis one) by the time the dust settles you better keep it forever so it will pay off in smiles.

    lemon law is different by state but it is when a car is in the shop X% of the time for the first X months of its life for the same or related issues.

    07-09 BMW 335s had fuel pumps that failed once a week. there are a TON of these that are lemon lawed because BMWs supplier didnt get a fix for it very quickly so they just kept replacing bad fuel pumps with ones they knew were going to go bad pretty quick. Well they have new design now so you can find lemon law 335s that have updated fuel pumps for 40% off retail used car prices. Only issue is they do NOT qualify for factory warranty and good luck getting an aftermarket one.

    I have found that shopping around really hard using sites like everycarlisted.com and searchtempest.com will yield good deals with none of the headache.

  • Real Estate Broker · San Diego, CA · Member since 2012 · 104 posts · 20 votes
    13y

    Samuel Ksiazkieicz: There are a few vehicle registration services companies locally (San Diego) that I work with. The registration services do the DMV paperwork, I write the defective title bonds for them. If you decide to do this and need help on the paperwork end, just let me know and I can put you in touch them.

  • Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes
    13y

    No kidding? Thats awesome, what teams did you travel with? My pops was head carpenter at Michigan International Speedway when I was a kid. We used to go ride our bikes around the track or pick up bags and bags worth of pop cans to get the 10cent deposit.
    haha I was kidding about the Bentleys or Lambos, but I would be lying if I said I hadnt checked out a few 2008-10 m6s/650is for 20kish.
    I know a little about lemon law, had a buddy go through it, but I didnt even think about where they sell them. Do they sell em at the same big auctions, Mannheim, IAA, Copart etc?
    Thanks for the sites, search tempest is pretty legit.

  • Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes
    13y

    Theresa K. ha actually Im so new to this I dont quite know what you are talking about. What do these companies do? Process the paperwork to turn it from a salvage to a rebuilt title?

  • Real Estate Broker · San Diego, CA · Member since 2012 · 104 posts · 20 votes
    13y

    I believe they verify the VIN and help you transfer title and and register the vehicle with the DMV (whatever that entails, I don't know) and you don't have to go to the DMV yourself and try to figure out what's needed. There's also a lot of info on the DMV website about registering a salvaged vehicle. www.dmv.ca.gov

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2012 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    I have been in the car business for about three years now selling pre-owned high line cars. I have sold several slavage/ title cars and own one myself. I have never been apart of buying them, fixing them, and then reselling. I have sold them and bought them once they have already been repaird. I own a 95' BMW M3 that was slavaged in the first 5k miles of ownership. I was able to pick up this beauty for 80% of its value and it drive better than any of my other vehicle. Price trumps all as usual. If you are buying them right you will not get hurt on re-sell. These cars do sell if the price is right. ebay is the best vehicle to get rid of the car with as much detailed information as you have on the original rebuild. I say lets go get our Phantoms, drive them and then sell and make money.

  • Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes
    13y

    hahaha thats what Im talking about Courtney!
    I am more interested in checking this out for myself. Just brought the resale point up because that is usually something people scream about.
    Would you mind sharing a little more information on how you have gone about purchasing them. Where have you purchased them, who is repairing them, what sort of min discount do you look for, what sort of things do you do/look for to ensure you dont get a messed up one?

  • Real Estate Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2012 · 109 posts · 22 votes
    13y

    I have a friend who is a used car dealer and we regularly buy salvage title vehicles, make the necessary repairs, and get the dmv to issue a rebuilt title. I've personally driven these cars and sold them to people that are very happy with the car. I wouldn't buy these if you don't plan to drive them for a few years, most banks don't like to finance them and majority of people are unwilling to buy them even at 60 to 70% of kbb value.
    You do need to do your homework as there are some people as you mention that do not do quality work.
    Salvage vehicles work generally at most price points of vehicles not just the low end prices. Sometimes these cars get be fixed with aftermarket parts that are a big discount to the oem parts. If I'm driving a nice car and it has aftermarket headlights, hood, etc and I pay 30 to 40% less I'm happy to do that. When I pull up at the stoplight no one knows my hood is aftermarket.

    Do your homework if you are pursuing this though.

  • Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 108 posts · 24 votes
    13y

    Tim Delp / Courtney Rucker would you mind getting a little more in the weeds on this?
    Tim, you guys are buying them prior to any repair work being done, are you picking them up at auction? Can you explain a little more your statement of "Salvage vehicles work generally at most price points of vehicles not just the low end prices"? Can you shed a little more light on the discussion further up about whether the more expensive vehicles are riskier due to it "taking a lot more damage" to cause them to be salvaged? If/when I do buy one of these, I intend to do it in person, with a mechanic I trust looking it over, care to expound anymore on what other "homework" you are doing?
    Courtney, what sort of buying process are ya'll going through that you are buying these post-repair, and trust the quality of repairs being done on them?

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2012 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    We don't actively pursue these type of vehicles but do fall into them from time to time as trade-in vehicles. We are very well versed in the industry and put them on a lift and try to be as thorough as possible before giving a valu on them. To the customer trading them in we can typically take them from them for cheap because they are too afraid to try to sell them on there own.

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