Is Housing a Human RIGHT? Entitled to property?

Is Housing a Human RIGHT? Entitled to property?

Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes

https://www.facebook.com/events/1665406613716274/

This is entitlement. Us landlord and investors has to pay a bank mortgage to keep a house, if they don't they pay monthly we lose the house.

Same should go for any person.

But do certain people deserve to have a house? 

Who will pay for these houses?  Or should they get to live at reduced rent at YOUR house?

Portland Oregon Tenants Group- 

https://www.facebook.com/portlandtenantsunited/

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FL · Member since 2016 · 912 posts · 107 votes
9y

You can't like OWN a house, dude. The house belongs to the Earth. You just don't get it.

I'm gonna bring 15 of my hippie friends and we're gonna get super stoned in your house, man. You should join us. My best friends names are Dragon, Freedom, and Rabbit.

It's not about the rent, it's about the LOVE. You gotta expand your mind.

(I'm just kidding. I hate hippies.)

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  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 970 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Jay Hinrichs wow now I'm stuck as my go to response is "google that"

    uhhh....

    BING THAT?

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
    Originally posted by @Patrick Philip:

    You can't like OWN a house, dude. The house belongs to the Earth. You just don't get it.

    I'm gonna bring 15 of my hippie friends and we're gonna get super stoned in your house, man. You should join us. My best friends names are Dragon, Freedom, and Rabbit.

    It's not about the rent, it's about the LOVE. You gotta expand your mind.

    (I'm just kidding. I hate hippies.)

     That made my day...LOL...

     Not mine, though I get the humor and it wasn't a bad attempt. 

    Generalizing and stereotyping anything is a lazy man's way of thinking. I know of several "stoners" that are probably richer than everyone on this thread put together, and that's saying something since Jay's in this thread :D . 

    I don't hate anyone. Everything is an opportunity, and there is almost always a winning solution or scenario for everyone, in every situation. On topic, do I think housing is a human right? Yes, I do. Do I think individual property owners should be forced to subsidize it on their own? No, I don't. Anything that is a "human" right, the costs, and benefits, should be shared by all in that society (on a broad basis, Earth, but on a geographical basis, each individual nation). One of the features that makes this a great country is that we - despite a lot of political strife - have broad agreement on basic standards of humanity. If we did not, there would be no Medicare, HUD, SNAP, etc.

    Everything I know about Portland I learned from Portlandia (partially true!). I don't know much about this effort, and some of the things I've heard from there seem to me totally misguided. Why get pissed? It's an opportunity. As long as there is freedom of capital movement, capital will flow out of places that are a poor investment (or opportunity) and into places that are the opposite. 

    I admit that being in my neck of the woods sometimes makes me scratch my head at some of the West Coast policies. On the other hand, a lot of people have made money hand over fist (lots of them are here in BP) on the West Coast *despite* any policies, and these policies haven't stopped property values from rising dramatically. Maybe there's a tipping point. If there is, there's no point in getting mad because the tipping point will rebalance things. People bitched like hell when rent control came into NYC in the 1940's, and claimed it was going to ruin landlording and rental opportunities. Look at property values and rents in NYC and you'll see, over the long term, it's just not true. 

    Every obstacle is an opportunity. Maybe the opportunity is in helping others around the obstacle. :)

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  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Out of curiosity, would 4 six-flats - 24 units - meet the density requirements?

    Would that be subject to the 20% requirement?

  • Rental Property Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 338 posts · 332 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @David Dachtera:

    Out of curiosity, would 4 six-flats - 24 units - meet the density requirements?

    Would that be subject to the 20% requirement?

     I was wondering about something like that too.  For example, could you subdivide a lot with a minimum density of 30 units into 2 or more lots with fewer units?  Seems like this strategy might work in areas zoned residential multifamily (in Portland, that's the R1-R3 zones), but it may not work the commercial zones where density is mandated by FAR rather than number of units.  Then again, maybe the city still counts the total development density, regardless of how many lots it's on.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    As regards the title of this thread, ...

    There's Section 8.

    There's Veteran's Supportive Housing.

    There are various forms of senior housing assistance.

    Pretty sure that answers, at least in part, the question of "who pays?".

    Is housing a human right? In my opinion, without question; property is another matter.

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    In California they have the AB 1506 going on to massively expand rent control (unless us homeowner/ landlords/ investors stop it)  This is from an LA group

     Another group with rent control -- Universal rent control in mind

    Portland Tenants trying to get free room and board

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y
  • Linda WeygantPro Member
    Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @David Zheng:

    @Jay Hinrichs wow now I'm stuck as my go to response is "google that"

    uhhh....

    BING THAT?

     Ask Jeeves?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @JD Martin  Portlandia is absolutely dead on accurate as to how PDX is.. really .. you would have to come here an experience it for yourself.. LOL.. I kow its a satirical look but its dead balls accurate .. as Joe Peci's fiancé said in my cousin Vinny  LOL

  • Specialist · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Fred Winer:

    I would suggest several reasons for non-attention. One is that, to a large extent, the fact that one-third of the nation still is ill-housed is a hidden problem. Lack of affordability - our number-one problem - and its broader implications on poor people's lives is not something the fortunate among us experience or even know about. Spatially, too, the rise of gated communities, sprawl and the extreme residential segregation by class and race keep those on top from knowing much about those on the bottom - a form of "American Apartheid," as Douglas Massey and Nancy Denton's 1993 study so aptly put it.

    Race is its own barrier. The creation of a true Right to Housing bumps squarely against issues of location and access. Who is to live near whom, go to school with whom? Americans simply don't want to acknowledge the workings and vast impact of structural racism, let alone individual racist attitudes and behavior. How to deal with that confounds us. But unless and until we face that problem, it will inhibit serious movement toward providing all Americans - black, brown, yellow, white and all the skin color mixtures in between - with this basic need and right.

    Cost is possibly another barrier. To provide every American household with decent, affordable housing, given the large and widening gap between incomes and housing costs, will require vastly more government subsidies than we now devote to housing - the exact amount of course depends on what kinds of programs, what systems of financing, ownership, development and management we choose (the more market-oriented, the larger the cost; the more we create a social housing sector, the smaller the cost), but think along the lines of $80-100 billion annually. Maybe it would be an easier sell if we make clear the costs of having one-third of a nation ill-housed - and explain how eliminating those costs greatly reduces the bill. And it may be an easier sell if we drive home the point that upper-income taxpayers already get subsidies of that order via the tax system. Not that the society can't afford this: look how easily we come up with similar amounts to bail out savings and loans, make war, give massive tax breaks to the wealthy. It's all a matter of political will.

    So how do we get from here to there, how is that political will created?
    No simple, quick answers here, but a few ending thoughts.

    We need to make politicians and candidates - for local, state and federal offices - speak to the housing problem and commit to effective ameliorative programs. And that in turn requires grassroots pressure.

    We need to emphasize housing's links to problems in the areas of health, education, income support, food, crime, employment, immigration, economic and community development. In doing so, we will create coalitions of social justice activists whose power will grow exponentially.

    Selective litigation may help as well. There are examples of social justice gains via lawsuits in other areas - ending legally sanctioned segregation in public schools, abolishing the poll tax, requiring due process hearings before government aid is terminated, facilitating receipt of welfare support by eliminating barriers based on interstate movement. The housing area is ripe for similar approaches, building on similar legal theories and laws governing public benefits, child welfare, mental health and other programs.

    We won't have a conservative/reactionary national administration forever, and the Congressional election results (in particular, having Maxine Waters as the incoming chair of the House subcommittee that deals with housing matters, Jack Reed or Chuck Schemer as her Senate counterpart) are a hopeful sign. It's time to think seriously about mounting a public and political campaign to make decent, affordable housing a right for all Americans. 

    Just a little research......

     May I suggest a good book - "Sapiens - A Brief History of Humankind". A phenomenal and thought provoking read. Equality and equal rights are entirely artificial concepts with no fact or basis in biology.

  • Vendor · loganville, GA · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    will do thanks

  • Rental Property Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 338 posts · 332 votes
    9y

    @Jay Hinrichs so true.  Portlandia is Portland as Seinfeld is NYC.  Before I moved to New York, I loved Seinfeld.  After?  I was George Costanza, and Seinfeld just wasn't as funny anymore.  :-\

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Account Closed  I have only lived in Lake O and up on Cooper mtn.. so I still see Portlandia as a foreign entitiy.

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7uwK_4-kE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoA-uqMB5Yo

    Here's a group TenantsTogether that is heavily funded by a lot of political groups and lobbyists. They've been organizing like unions.  A lot of their subgroups claim they're "Unions"

    http://tenantstogether.org/campaigns/repeal-costa-...

    Costa Hawkins Ab 1506

    Recent article

    http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-Opinion/277956/editor...

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    LA city council just voted on this:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housin...

    If you're in LA you should write your city council that you don't want more rent control or restrictions on property owners.  Just as a home owner let alone landlord

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Nothing that demands the work, efforts, or goods of another is a human right.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2015 · 158 posts · 327 votes
    9y

    A right (aka "natural right") is something you have by nature. It can only be actively violated, not passively violated. The US Constitution spoke of such rights.

    An entitlement (aka "provided right") is something you are contractually obligated to receive according to the terms of some agreement. If your HOA provides a pool and you pay your dues, you get to use the pool.

    Most people conflate these two concepts.

    Rights are not negotiable. Entitlements can be modified all the time, or even revoked completely.

    Housing is an entitlement.

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    Fill this out to contact local and state officials in California about opposing rent control and restrictions on property owners/ investors!!!!@!

    Bill Tracking California:

    Los Angeles Universal rent control and Portland rent control

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y
  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    People are becoming entitled to everything.  At Biggerpockets we work hard, save up and try to buy property as an investment.  Here's some more info on AB 1506 which is a push for rent control increases throughout California.

    Make sure to get active write city council write your local assembly and fed

    https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-ab-1506-because...

    PETITION AGAINST RENT CONTROL

    They're also moving onto different states.  I was recently in Texas, in Austin and I saw them picketing rent raises and asking for universal rent control

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @David Faulkner:

    The truly ironic part is by all measures that I'm aware of, the tactics employed to attempt to "fix" the affordable housing problem not only have not worked, but could be argued that they have had the opposite affect and made things even less affordable in CA. The market forces of supply and demand tends to always win out in the long run ... doesn't matter if you are talking cans of soda pop, drugs, or housing. Ill conceived regulations as well as fear and greed may distort prices in the short term, but supply and demand move them in the long haul.

     @Matt R.

    https://www.kcet.org/shows/city-rising/city-rising... this is on KC

    ET "public television" It's sponsored by CALIFORNIA ENDOWMENT who gets funding from California Governemnt

    CALIFORNIA ENDOWMENT gets $billions from the govenemrn then pours it into Tenantstogether.org So essentially our taxes are paying this organization who wants to increase government control of private property.... thus upping their control and paying government worker salary. Messed up cycle. We need to get the word out before these groups are sending this sort of propaganda out ultimately they want housing to be a human "right" taking our property away. 

    Costa hawkins (allowing new buildings and Single family houses to be under rent control and make it universal among different cities) and these groups like California Endowment and Tenants Together 

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    Boyle Heights and South Central in Los Angeles, Long Beach, Santa Ana, Oakland and the Oak Park neighborhood of Sacramento.

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