CA homeowner with equity to invest in TX - need some advice.

CA homeowner with equity to invest in TX - need some advice.

Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes

Hello :)

I'm new to BiggerPockets and new to real estate investing. I've got some big decisions to make and thought I'd reach out to the BP community for advice and insight. Here's my story...

I currently live in West Covina, CA and have considerable equity in my home. My husband and I have been thinking about selling our home for the past few years as the neighborhood just isn’t what it used to be. From much of what I’ve read, many sources are forecasting a drop in CA home prices around 2020; so we’re thinking that we want to put our house on the market this summer. But if we sell and buy another home this summer as planned, we would find ourselves in a “Catch 22”. If we sell, we are likely to receive top dollar for our home…yay! Conversely though, if we buy at the same time, we will likely pay top dollar for our new home…boo!

Inasmuch as we’d like to upgrade to a better home, the thought of paying over $750K for a home seriously makes body parts pucker! After much discussion, my husband and I concurred that investing our equity would be the better choice for us right now.

Our goal is to build a profitable portfolio of single and multi-family (up to 4 units) properties using the BRRRR method. However, due to the current market and the liberal CA laws that favor tenants, we're not too keen on investing in CA. Thankfully, while researching out-of-state real estate investing, I stumbled across BiggerPockets. What a blessing! I've since been listening to and reading as much information as possible (which I refer to as "uploading to my Windows 69 operating system" lol). I just finished reading "Long-Distance Real Estate Investing" by David Greene and highly recommend it! I'm now reading "What Every Real Estate Investor Needs to Know About Cash Flow…" by Frank Gallinelli.

After some research, we've honed in on the following areas of interest: San Antonio and Austin as well as some specific suburbs (Leander and Round Rock) and areas in the corridor (Schertz, New Braunfels, Kyle and San Marcos). Since my husband and I have been toying with the idea of moving out of state for the past few years, we're thinking that house-hacking a multi-family property might be a good means of cutting our teeth in REI.

But man that would be a huge leap of faith for us! We are both CA born and raised and have never lived anywhere else. While there are a lot of things that we don’t like about CA, we are realistic and fully aware that we’ve been incredibly spoiled by its weather and amenities. I work remotely and will likely be able to take my job with me, but my husband would have to find work. The hard pill to swallow is that he works for a school district and has an awesome benefits package that will be hard to lose. When you’re in your early 50’s, good health insurance is a major factor!

There is so much to consider. Should we sell this summer and then rent here in CA while we hope and wait for more of a buyer's market before buying our next home (meanwhile investing in rental properties in TX)? Should we sell and house-hack somewhere in TX for a year or so instead of throwing pesos away on crazy CA rents? (We may even find that we like TX and might want to stay. I visited a friend in Leander in October. I didn't care for the heat and humidity but found that the people were kind and respectful and I LOVE how Jesus is not a dirty word there.) Should we stay in our current home (and gamble that its value won't take a significant hit if there is a recession) and just access our equity via a HELOC for investments? I know I know, my thoughts are all over the place. But these are the questions that keep me awake at night.

I figured that many of you be familiar with my particular real estate market and may have some advice in that respect. Many of you may even have been in similar circumstances and faced similar tough decisions. So I said to myself…”Self, why don’t you tap into this vast well of knowledge and experience!?”

So my question is simply this, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE ME? (I truly welcome any advice or feedback. At this point I’m just eager to hear someone else’s thoughts – mine are relentless!)

PS: Here is what I do know right now… We will be buying 1 to 2 investment properties in TX this year and are planning to visit within the next 3-4 months. We’re looking to connect with an agent who is experienced in working with investors and interested in partnering with us on this adventure. We’re also looking for property management, construction and financial (funding and tax related) resources. Please feel free to message me. I’d love to connect with you.

PPS: Thanks to all of you who took the time to read my post. I know it’s lengthy!

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Property Manager · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2018 · 75 posts · 70 votes
7y

Absolutely disagree. Where did you invest? That can be the huge game changer. Property taxes in TX in the right areas can be as little as $2500/year. Due diligence is always key.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    What do you mean by house hack?  Buy a duplex and live in one side and rent the other?  Many investors not 100% comfortable living next door to tenants.  Imagine them knocking on your door every time anything is broken.   Also where you want to live may not be the best investment area or visa versa.   Often I see investors want to buy what they can see themselves living in, but often I think the best investments are not what they would live in.   For example you may want to live in a super nice place with all the upgrades, but your rental might be more basic to make the numbers work.

    Lots of people moving this way.  Austin is hot, San Antonio, and Dallas area are hot.  Flower Mound near Dallas has just been named one of the hottest rental markets in the country.

    We need teachers in Texas if your husband wants to do that.

    Welcome and join the caravan.  Lots of CA companies moving here.  Toyota was the big one recently.  We also have Kubota and Jacobs Engineering as two other large employers.  Also Jamba Juice.

  • Justin R.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · San Anselmo · Member since 2015 · 659 posts · 600 votes
    7y

    I also live in CA, and had previously invested in Texas. I have recently sold all of my Texas rentals because of their high property taxes.

    Texas doesn't have state income tax, they get the majority of revenue from property tax. People from CA get hit triple hard when investing in TX. High property tax, you still get hit with CA state income tax on net income, we are out of state "non-homesteaders" so an exemption we don't get.

    Im not saying don't buy in Texas, it does offer appreciation potential, but taxes kill Texas rental revenue!!

  • Property Manager · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2018 · 75 posts · 70 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Justin R.:

    I also live in CA, and had previously invested in Texas. I have recently sold all of my Texas rentals because of their high property taxes.

    Texas doesn't have state income tax, they get the majority of revenue from property tax. People from CA get hit triple hard when investing in TX. High property tax, you still get hit with CA state income tax on net income, we are out of state "non-homesteaders" so an exemption we don't get.

    Im not saying don't buy in Texas, it does offer appreciation potential, but taxes kill Texas rental revenue!!

  • Property Manager · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2018 · 75 posts · 70 votes
    7y

    Absolutely disagree. Where did you invest? That can be the huge game changer. Property taxes in TX in the right areas can be as little as $2500/year. Due diligence is always key.

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    Welcome to BP, if I'm offering incomplete advice. Just move to Texas into a 4 unit. Rehab them as you go along or raise rents. As soon as its full or tenants both you too much, you can move out into your own SFR and keep the 4 unit or sell it fully occupied.

    Living in Texas will save net taxes...

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2015 · 909 posts · 297 votes
    7y

    House hack in texas, if you want to be somewhere near that same cali vibe then austin otherwise dallas Fort worth is best place to invest, texas has one of the best economies and tax and landlord laws for investors, I suggest house hacking the more doors the better utilize that cali asset and 1031 into a multidoor here in texas quickly

  • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Cynthia Veenendaal Those areas mentioned in Texas are very good in terms of investments. Do keep in mind that property taxes vary from area to area. Some are relatively high at 3% and then other areas are much lower. I would play around with the numbers and compare the advantages and disadvantages. The numbers are where its at, in terms of investments. The weather is much different than LA. October is pleasant in Central Texas, I think. Summers can be brutal. One gets used to it, though. I love the lakes, barton springs, cliff diving and swimming and so I look forward to the summers. 

    Texas is very landlord friendly. Its very easy to get a tenant to move. I was at the gym last night and the justice of the peace was there. JP's deals with evictions. He and I know each other on a first name basis and so we chatted it up about activities. Very friendly guy and he knows that I am a landlord. He is a straight shooter but will side with the landlord every time for non payment of rent as that is the Texas law.

    The appreciation is nice in those areas mentioned. The rent can lag the appreciation, so cash flow for sfr's are difficult. Multifamily is easier. 

    Heloc's may be good but really its an math game. Paying over 750k may make body parts pucker...lol but imagine how folks felt when they first bought a house over $100k back in the day. I am sure they thought the same thing. Its all relative. $750k in the areas mentioned will probably get you the best house. In the Austin city limits, that will get you a very very nice house but it won't be the best house by a long shot. I am not as familiar with LA so I don't really know. 

    Hope all that helps!

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Bruce Lynn

    Many thanks for your comments Bruce. Yes, by house hack I mean owner occupying one of a multi-family unit. I have actually considered the downside of living next door to tenants. Though it's not something that I could see myself doing for any significant length of time, I believe it might be worth doing for a year in order to take advantage of lower down payment options available for "owner occupied" purchases. The trick is, as you said, to find a property that is both a good investment as well as someplace that I would want to live for a year. I agree that the best investments usually don't coincide with one's personal preferences. I'm focused on learning "the math" and all decisions will be based strictly on numbers...no room for emotions in the equation. Thanks again for your thoughts :)

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Justin R.

    Thanks for your comments Justin. Yeah, those TX property taxes definitely concern me. However, as others have pointed out, there are still some compelling reasons to invest there. And as you mentioned, I do see the appreciation potential as well. I've actually spread sheeted the tax rates for the areas that I'm interested in and am planning to steer away from the higher rates and am also focusing on unincorporated areas where city taxes can be avoided. I'm in it to win it and am doing all I can to educate myself on the matter. I so appreciate yours and everyone's input. Thanks again.

    PS: Would you mind sharing what area(s) you've been investing in since you pulled out of TX? Please feel free to PM me, I'd love to connect with you.

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Laura Kayes

    Thanks for your comments. There is indeed always another side of every coin.
    @Laura Kayes

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Ronald Rohde

    Hi Ronald. I think we're on the same page ;) My gut has me leaning towards making the move to TX and occupying part of a multi-family property for at least a year - then renting it out. Thanks for chiming in.

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Justin Kane

    Thanks for the insights. Dallas FW is on my radar.

  • Rental Property Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Aaron Gordy

    Hi Aaron. Thanks for the info. Right now I'm familiarizing myself with the various tax rates, crime rates, job markets and school districts in my areas of interest. All of which I believe are among the most germane factors when considering viable buy/hold investment properties; that is aside from the usual "numbers" to be considered of course. Please let me know if you think I'm overlooking anything; or overthinking as I have a tendency to do that. Thanks again!

  • Ryan KellyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Since you are debating different Central Texas areas, I would recommend booking a week-long exploratory trip here first to tour several of these cities and communities and visit. Sounds like this may be part of your plan. This way you can not only get to understand what's driving each market (because they are all uniquely different) but you can also connect with local investor-savvy Realtors to take a look inside various property types to fully understand their potential. I'm working with a number of BP investors right now and happy to chat with you more about the Austin-area market. Don't skip the breakfast tacos when you get here! 

    Ryan Kelly Group - Keller Williams5112 Reviews
  • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 36 votes
    7y

    @Cynthia Veenendaal - I'm a real estate broker in the Austin area, and personally live in Leander so of course I may be a tad bit biased but we love it here (Leander that is!).   Investing in Texas makes a lot more financial sense when you're living here and can also benefit from zero state income tax.  

    I'm happy to chat more with you about strategies and opportunities with multi-family.  Feel free to reach out if you'd like!

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Cynthia Veenendaal. As an Austin expatriate - suggest you add Bryan College Station, Conroe & The Woodlands, and the entire DFW Metroplex (Frisco, Plano, McKinney, Mansfield)  to your list of areas to consider.  

    Obviously, Husband's place of employment will be a large factor in your decisions.

    Good Luck!

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 47 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    Howdy,

    I grew up in Fort Worth, and have been investing mainly in the DFW area over the past 15 years--I've got 24 doors ranging from Granbury to Fort Worth to Justin to Dallas. Don't own any property in Houston any more, though if oil stays low for a while I'll have a look again.

    The person who posted on taxes could, perhaps, have done better diligence prior to buying. It is true that taxes as a percentage of home (or plex) prices are fairly high, between 2-3%, so you just build that in to your purchase/operating model. It's not rocket science--most of the areas will cash flow, though I am skeptical about Austin, at least based on what I've been offered there the past several years. I'd love to hear about good cash flow deals in austin otherwise :-).

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