It STARTS With Making an Offer!

It STARTS With Making an Offer!

Don KonipolBusiness Member
Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes

After 45 + years investing in, purchasing and selling notes and real property; structuring “deals”, running investment funds and syndications, I have observed that many (most) investors both hesitate too long gathering too much information before making an offer AND do not do enough investigation, analysis and due diligence before they finalize a purchase.

Seems like opposites, right?  So how can an investor do BOTH too much investigation and at the same time too little?  I will explain below.

First, let me state that I’m often guilty of exactly this thing.  Not so much on the too little side, but on the too much.  So, it’s something I always have to watch out for, and self correct.

Most investors, myself included, want too much information BEFORE making an offer to purchase.  We want copies of leases and spend hours combing through the intricate details; we want to know the seller’s  “motivation”, we want to know long term economic forecasts for the community, the state, the U.S.  the world.  We want to know exactly what interest rate we’ll pay on a mortgage, what the water bill will be, if the property next door is thinking of selling, and everything else that has even marginal relevance.  The problem is that we’re wasting valuable time BEFORE we even know if a deal is a possibility. 

There are only so many PRODUCTIVE hours each person is capable of producing.  So I don’t want to spend 5 or 10 of those hours chasing a deal that has little or no chance of coming to fruition.  The answer is to do a very modest amount of investigation if you come across a property you’re interesting or may be interested in owning.  Anywhere from 10 minutes to one hour.  Do a GOOGLE search, get the tax information, read through any relevant documents the seller has provided.  And the. MAKE AN OFFER.  You want to make a “soft” offer.  This could be anything from a Letter of Intent as a prelude to a purchase contract to an actual purchase contract with an OPTION to purchase for a small option price subject to a defined time due diligence period.  Make the offer an offer that’ represents a good deal for YOU.  

The seller’s response to your offer will tell you your chances of closimg the deal on terms making it a good investment, and consequently how much time you should spend on due diligence.  If the seller rejects your offer outright, then you just saved a lot of valuable time by NOT having spent hours on a deal with no chance of completion.  If the seller accepts your offer than you do the full due diligence investigation during the option period.  You’ll probably come across various “negatives”, this may require, or may provide an opportunity for negotiating a price reduction in the final contract.  Or perhaps most likely, the seller will counter your offer with a higher price or different “terms”.  If there’s sufficient evidence to conclude that a deal can be made, it may be necessary to go through another round, or even two of offer - counter offer before reaching an agreeable price. 

I was recently actively looking to add to my real estate portfolio.  I looked at 18 properties for sale.  I made two verbal offers and three written offers, and closed on one of the properties approximately three months after I initiated the property search.  It was only AFTER I made an offer that I did anything more than superficial due diligence.  Absolutely no sense wasting 10 hours investigating property of the 4 offers that wouldn’t result in a deal.  If you want to buy property, you’ve got to MAKE AN OFFER.  

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Stuart UdisPro Member
Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Not only do most investors spend too much time sitting behind a computer polishing off their fancy excel spreadsheets, they rarely walk properties. There are so many lost opportunities relying on assumptions that aren't accurate and easily verified. I personally live off of what I refer to as MLS broker negligence. I can't tell you how many properties have units easily convertible from 1 bedroom to 2 bedroom units, units with favorable dimensional standards which can boost rents with no photos to showcase these attributes, assessment square footage that is not correct, upgrades not identified in the marketing materials etc. These all lead to incorrect underwriting assumptions and kill good deals.

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  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    Such a smart use of time. Back of the napkin analysis (or BP calculator) make a conservative offer and see if the seller is willing to play ball. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

    Such a smart use of time. Back of the napkin analysis (or BP calculator) make a conservative offer and see if the seller is willing to play ball. 


    yup napkin math.. I see all these folks starting out struggling with numbers when trying to buy one SFR ..  in my mind if rents are about 1200.  just use 50% for expenses minus mortgage and in 60 seconds you know if its worth pursing.. and if you do better great..

    On the flip side as a seller.. I just got an email from a buyer on one of my new builds and there were 35 questions..  like  who makes the water heater what is the model number and what are the stats.. and or what brand is the door hardware and what models.. and on and on and on.. I just wrote him back and said hey we get into contract I can run some of this stuff down but not going to spend hours figuring out all the fine details on all the components of a new build .. Its my house not yours we just allowing some design choices not what components go into it.
    along with the supply chain is still not perfect we may need to swap something out to keep project going.
  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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     Oh thats going to be a rough due diligence period if you do go under contract. Hope you get another better offer :)

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

     Oh thats going to be a rough due diligence period if you do go under contract. Hope you get another better offer :)


    ya my inclination is to pass on this buyer.. normally my wife handles all the buyers but I am working this one solo.. so she can concentrate on the 12 pre sale contracts she already has..
  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
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    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

     Oh thats going to be a rough due diligence period if you do go under contract. Hope you get another better offer :)

    I don’t worry until the buyer asks what the viscosity of the oil is. …
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  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    Not only do most investors spend too much time sitting behind a computer polishing off their fancy excel spreadsheets, they rarely walk properties. There are so many lost opportunities relying on assumptions that aren't accurate and easily verified. I personally live off of what I refer to as MLS broker negligence. I can't tell you how many properties have units easily convertible from 1 bedroom to 2 bedroom units, units with favorable dimensional standards which can boost rents with no photos to showcase these attributes, assessment square footage that is not correct, upgrades not identified in the marketing materials etc. These all lead to incorrect underwriting assumptions and kill good deals.

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
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    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Stuart Udis:

    Not only do most investors spend too much time sitting behind a computer polishing off their fancy excel spreadsheets, they rarely walk properties. There are so many lost opportunities relying on assumptions that aren't accurate and easily verified. I personally live off of what I refer to as MLS broker negligence. I can't tell you how many properties have units easily convertible from 1 bedroom to 2 bedroom units, units with favorable dimensional standards which can boost rents with no photos to showcase these attributes, assessment square footage that is not correct, upgrades not identified in the marketing materials etc. These all lead to incorrect underwriting assumptions and kill good deals.

    Really good points Stuart.  Everyone wants to “automate” their business/investment activities.  And as you point out, a LOT falls “between the cracks” as a result.  
    But you know, it’s not only the “hard, physical stuff that falls between the cracks.  The investors who learn a single strategy or tactic, usually from a “mentor” and do not bother to learn real estate fundamental, real estate finance and real estate law miss out on “creative” opportunities to significantly enhance their ROI or significantly decrease their risk.  An example is the investor who only understands a sale of property for cash.  I have turned 8% ROI into 18% ROI by utilizing wrap around financing when selling, as an example.  That’s why a know.edge of the afore mentioned three areas is critical to maximize investing g success.
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  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

    Such a smart use of time. Back of the napkin analysis (or BP calculator) make a conservative offer and see if the seller is willing to play ball. 


    yup napkin math.. I see all these folks starting out struggling with numbers when trying to buy one SFR ..  in my mind if rents are about 1200.  just use 50% for expenses minus mortgage and in 60 seconds you know if its worth pursing.. and if you do better great..

    On the flip side as a seller.. I just got an email from a buyer on one of my new builds and there were 35 questions..  like  who makes the water heater what is the model number and what are the stats.. and or what brand is the door hardware and what models.. and on and on and on.. I just wrote him back and said hey we get into contract I can run some of this stuff down but not going to spend hours figuring out all the fine details on all the components of a new build .. Its my house not yours we just allowing some design choices not what components go into it.
    along with the supply chain is still not perfect we may need to swap something out to keep project going.

     it seems like the potential buyer might want to have you put in some spec items that you normally do not offer to customers. 

    In other words customer wants a spec house (at production hours cost) versus a production house, which if you are not set up for this, how do you price it as a non custom builder for only one home? 

    And what is this unplanned change you're going to have to give to the workman to do. 

    Plus it's something they're not normally doing, so the installation may not be up to the same standard as what they normally do.

    But it would be wise to listen to what he wants, because you should always want to know what your customers desire.

    If this customer desires a Rheem Brand whatever due to the companies clever marketing or product superiority in some way that the customer values highly- maybe think about offering that as a choice or even a standard option where you build upon the companies goodwill that they already have in place for the product.

    Good Luck!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Scott Mac:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

    Such a smart use of time. Back of the napkin analysis (or BP calculator) make a conservative offer and see if the seller is willing to play ball. 


    yup napkin math.. I see all these folks starting out struggling with numbers when trying to buy one SFR ..  in my mind if rents are about 1200.  just use 50% for expenses minus mortgage and in 60 seconds you know if its worth pursing.. and if you do better great..

    On the flip side as a seller.. I just got an email from a buyer on one of my new builds and there were 35 questions..  like  who makes the water heater what is the model number and what are the stats.. and or what brand is the door hardware and what models.. and on and on and on.. I just wrote him back and said hey we get into contract I can run some of this stuff down but not going to spend hours figuring out all the fine details on all the components of a new build .. Its my house not yours we just allowing some design choices not what components go into it.
    along with the supply chain is still not perfect we may need to swap something out to keep project going.

     it seems like the potential buyer might want to have you put in some spec items that you normally do not offer to customers. 

    In other words customer wants a spec house (at production hours cost) versus a production house, which if you are not set up for this, how do you price it as a non custom builder for only one home? 

    And what is this unplanned change you're going to have to give to the workman to do. 

    Plus it's something they're not normally doing, so the installation may not be up to the same standard as what they normally do.

    But it would be wise to listen to what he wants, because you should always want to know what your customers desire.

    If this customer desires a Rheem Brand whatever due to the companies clever marketing or product superiority in some way that the customer values highly- maybe think about offering that as a choice or even a standard option where you build upon the companies goodwill that they already have in place for the product.

    Good Luck!


    Mac I cant do that.. my plumber gives me a price for all 90 homes and to get that price its his relationship with the manufacturer or supply house.. Keep in mind he has to also warranty these items so he goes for quality components  he does not want to have to come back.. be backs kill subs.
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