Using Seller Finance to buy a house with a reverse mortgage

Using Seller Finance to buy a house with a reverse mortgage

Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 1 vote

We have an acquisition opportunity on an inherited home with a reverse mortgage, which is something we haven't dealt with before.

On a flip the numbers shake out as follows:

ARV - $300K

Repairs - $40K

Reverse Mortgage (according to seller's friend) ~$185K

The house is in N. Arlington (DFW).

Although the numbers are a little tight for the MAO calculation, our market can handle the tighter margin. However, we don't like the exit for a flip for a couple of reasons. The house sits very steep on a hill. DFW is relatively flat, so most homes have a somewhat level front and back yard here. The front yard is very steep and the backyard is almost entirely taken up by a pool, which is our 2nd reason for hesitancy. Not the best home for families with very young children or for those advancing in years, so we are concerned that we may have much longer DOM.

We have considered wholesaling it & still may -- not a whole lot of money there.

I considered seller financing it with a wrap.  Then this morning the Airbnb bug hit me again. The house is located 3.6 miles away from where the Cowboys and Rangers play and the XFL just announced they would begin playing in the ballpark that the Rangers are moving out of.  Six Flags is generally the same distance, 10 miles from DFW Airport and Arlington is basically the halfway point between Dallas and Ft. Worth. So, I thought about buying it through seller financing... but it has a reverse mortgage.  

The gentleman who took out the reverse mortgage has passed and he left the home to a non-family heir, because he has no children. There are no disputes, but the house is in probate and the attorney working the case for the heir is on a 25% contingency (25% of the net proceeds of the sale).

I really like the potential of an Airbnb deal, but our lives are not very complicated at the moment and I understand from some of the posts that Airbnb can be a whip.

So, my two questions are:

1) How does this reverse mortgage work? Is it possible to wrap one, or does it just need to be paid off (I am currently trying to research this myself too -- just in a bit of a hurry)?

2) Is anyone familiar with Airdna as an analytics tool for Aribnb and if so, what is your opinion of its value?

Thanks in advance,

DW

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
7y

The RM is fully due upon the borrower’s death, foreclosure within one year. A sub2 for anything other than a quick flip is suicidal. 

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    The RM is fully due upon the borrower’s death, foreclosure within one year. A sub2 for anything other than a quick flip is suicidal. 

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you, Wayne!

    What's happening right now while it is in probate... penalties and additional interest?

  • Lender · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Doug Woodward That's not how reverse mortgages work. Are you saying the beneficiary of the RM is dead and someone else is trying to sell it to you subject to? This is either a terrible plan or someone told you something wrong. 

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Jason Hirko Yes the beneficiary died. The beneficiary left the house to the seller. No, the seller did not propose a Sub2. I was just trying to figure out how to mitigate the risk on this property because we don't like it for a straight up flip exit. What I am gathering from Wayne's response and yours is that RM's allow for very little creativity and to do anything with this property necessarily means taking the RM loan out of the equation.

  • Lender · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Doug Woodward So when you say you were thinking about using seller financing to wrap it, you didn't mean that you were trying to wrap the existing mortgage? 

    I guess if your question is how do you buy it outright, then the heir should be able to tell you how much the payoff of the RM is, and then it's just like any other lien on any other property you're purchasing.

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Doug Woodward, you need to learn what a rm is BEFORE anything else. YES it has to go away. As @Jason Hirko said,  It is NOT something that can be taken over or wrapped. A 30 second reading of what google has to say will explain most of what you need to know.

    You need to get hard money or pay cash. If the balance on the property is 185k, the seller is going to want to get something out of the deal. They are probably NOT going to sell it for the loan balance. Plus if the lawyer is getting 25% of profit, he is not going to give it away. 

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you @Rick Pozos. I got what I needed from @Wayne Brooks response. I was asking if it was possible to wrap a RM as I am unfamiliar with them.

    It doesn't sound like there is too much that can done around RM's creatively. If there is, I would be interested to know that. I think I am good now on the wrapping question. 

    To the original post, we are not super eager to take this house down. Right now I am not in highly competitive situation here. If I was and someone wanted to up the ante I would bow out without blinking. This house is not falling apart like some of the flips we have done, but it is not anywhere close to being ready for the MLS.

    Trying to figure out a way to do a creative deal here and looking for any ideas.

    Thanks guys for taking the time to respond.

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