Any success with rent by the room?

Any success with rent by the room?

Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes

I am looking for a 4-5 bed house in the phoenix area with an ADU for my fiance and I to live in. This househack strategy has been suggested to me considering the scarcity of cash flowing residential multifamily properties. Not saying there isnt any but when they do appear, they go fast and cash buyers prevail.

Has anyone else had good experiences with a larger house (5/3, 5/2) that has been rented by the room in the Phoenix area or other hot real estate market areas?

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Rental Property Investor 路 Clarkston, GA 路 Member since 2012 路 2k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
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Hi Bridger,  Back ground;  most counties/cities have zoning and regs on;  max number of unrelated adults allowed in a rental.  Some are at 3.  ALSO they have regs on rooming houses only allowed in specific zoning, similar zoning as for hotels;  only on main streets in business districts AND you have to apply for licensing and blabla as for a hotel..

That said;  there is a small movement supporting rent by the room as a small step toward solving affordable housing.  You might study up on this Atlanta business that is growing their business with private offerings (funding)   padsplit.com

They have a shades of gray solutoin for the unrelated adults, and rooming house zoning that is sort of working in the Atlanta area.   Padsplit as a company has greesed alot of palms to be an acceptable violatoin of zoning and business licensing requirments for a hotel.  IE City of atlanta is lookign the other way.  Suburbs have filed zoning violations againsgt investors I know who have put their expanded bedroom suburbant houses onto the padsplit.com platform.   No cease and desists yet, but its touch and go.  Legaly all rent by the room operations are in violation of hotel, zoning, and rooming house regs.  Like the push to get tiny houses accepted and zoning changed,   a "cleanly well run rooming house" business model has yet to get much muninicipal acceptance tracktion.  

What to do;  this only works where the house has lots of parking, distance from neighbors.  100% of the time its a neighor who turns you in.   So if lots of parking, ideally walking distance to busses or transportation to cut down on cars, you might get away with it (legally).

Operationally;  this is a can of worms to manage.  Midnight drunken brawls happen, but are more infrequent then you might guess depending on your screening.  But always complaints about guests (residents) leaving common space a mess, some resident gets mad they have to clean up...   

Simple furnishings bought used, a single bed, and dresser.  Common area TV/internet.  Each bedroom has a electronic combo lock.  To evict just put their stuff outside and change the combo lock.  Its hotel law not landlord law. 

Best of luck.

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  • Rental Property Investor 路 Clarkston, GA 路 Member since 2012 路 2k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hi Bridger,  Back ground;  most counties/cities have zoning and regs on;  max number of unrelated adults allowed in a rental.  Some are at 3.  ALSO they have regs on rooming houses only allowed in specific zoning, similar zoning as for hotels;  only on main streets in business districts AND you have to apply for licensing and blabla as for a hotel..

    That said;  there is a small movement supporting rent by the room as a small step toward solving affordable housing.  You might study up on this Atlanta business that is growing their business with private offerings (funding)   padsplit.com

    They have a shades of gray solutoin for the unrelated adults, and rooming house zoning that is sort of working in the Atlanta area.   Padsplit as a company has greesed alot of palms to be an acceptable violatoin of zoning and business licensing requirments for a hotel.  IE City of atlanta is lookign the other way.  Suburbs have filed zoning violations againsgt investors I know who have put their expanded bedroom suburbant houses onto the padsplit.com platform.   No cease and desists yet, but its touch and go.  Legaly all rent by the room operations are in violation of hotel, zoning, and rooming house regs.  Like the push to get tiny houses accepted and zoning changed,   a "cleanly well run rooming house" business model has yet to get much muninicipal acceptance tracktion.  

    What to do;  this only works where the house has lots of parking, distance from neighbors.  100% of the time its a neighor who turns you in.   So if lots of parking, ideally walking distance to busses or transportation to cut down on cars, you might get away with it (legally).

    Operationally;  this is a can of worms to manage.  Midnight drunken brawls happen, but are more infrequent then you might guess depending on your screening.  But always complaints about guests (residents) leaving common space a mess, some resident gets mad they have to clean up...   

    Simple furnishings bought used, a single bed, and dresser.  Common area TV/internet.  Each bedroom has a electronic combo lock.  To evict just put their stuff outside and change the combo lock.  Its hotel law not landlord law. 

    Best of luck.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Colorado | stan.store/JamesCarlson 路 Member since 2014 路 2k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Bridger L Logan

    Great idea, first off. We see a lot of our clients in Denver and Colorado Springs have success with either rent-by-the-room or some sort of basement apartment/ADU setup. And both are super hot markets right now.

    Here are two deal diaries of such setups -- one, a young couple who were living there and renting the place by the room, and the other, a young couple who were off-site but still rented by the room.

    It can certainly be done and is a great way to get your first place, have mortgage reduction (maybe even cash flow), and get some landlord experience. Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Colorado Springs, CO 路 Member since 2018 路 682 posts 路 729 votes
    6y

    @Bridger L Logan I鈥檓 doing this in CO Springs with tremendous success. I鈥檓 in a 4/3 and over the course of the last two years have had no issues. My house cash flows while I鈥檓 living in it.

    Screen your tenants thoroughly and make your expectations clear from day 1.

    Also, make sure you buy a house that has plenty of parking and be mindful of their schedules. If everyone works a 9-5 you may have issues.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @James Carlson

    Thank you for the input and I'll keep posted on the progress and results.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Daniel Haberkost

    Thanks for the great advice Daniel, I've really been looking into it and everything you are telling be resounds with what I've found. 

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Curt Smith

    Thank you for the honest advice and caveats!! 

  • Realtor 路 Denver, CO 路 Member since 2013 路 2k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    6y

    Yes. I have tons of clients doing this with multiple homes now. One of my first clients is retiring this year using that strategy.  

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Matt M.

    I just see lots of benefits including less maintenance. Only one house instead of 4 separate units is less things to worry about. Plus entry price is usually lower from what I've seen. It seems like a more cost effective way to have multiple tenants. 

  • Accountant 路 CA 路 Member since 2019 路 36 posts 路 16 votes
    6y

    Check your local laws about this. In California it's illegal to evict a tenant like that. IIRC if a guest stays more than 30 days, they're a tenant under landlord-tenant law, not a hotel guest.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Atlanta, GA 路 Member since 2017 路 86 posts 路 71 votes
    6y

    Check out padpslit.com, I use the platform to rent out 8 bedrooms in my house individually

  • Member since 2019 路 448 posts 路 306 votes
    6y

    @Bridger L Logan

    I deploy this strategy with every rental i have. I would strongly advise you get more than 2-3 bathrooms. Get a 5/4 or a 5/5 if you can. Biggest problem i have is tenants sharing a bathroom. If they all have their own you can charge more for rent and there are less problems.

    -Matt

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Anthony Fontana

    I will certainly check that out! Thanks for the tip Anthony!

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Bobby Lee

    That's such a good idea. Makes sense and can be easily deployed. Thank you for the advice Bobby!

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Matt Nico

    Very good tip, and it makes sense. I like the idea of operating it like a small scale hotel as @Bobby Lee mentioned. Thank you for that tip Matt, making each unit have a bath would be much more attractive.

  • Member since 2019 路 448 posts 路 306 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Bridger L Logan:

    @Matt Nico

    Very good tip, and it makes sense. I like the idea of operating it like a small scale hotel as @Bobby Lee mentioned. Thank you for that tip Matt, making each unit have a bath would be much more attractive.

    No problem man. I have actually taken a dining room and converted it into a bedroom and built a full bath inside of the room because I wanted to avoid tenants sharing bathrooms. If you figure it takes a few thousand to build a new bathroom, but you can charge an extra $50 for that room. So thats a 5'ish year 100% ROI on the bathroom build + the forced appreciation. Its a slam dunk when you break it down into pieces like that.

     Good luck. If you need any help with it feel free to PM me.

    -Matt

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Matt Nico

    Great advice and solid ideas. Thank you for reaching out, this post may have been the tipping point for the path I'm going to take. And I will certainly reach out out in the future! 

    -Best Regards,

  • Investor 路 Los Angeles, CA 路 Member since 2017 路 523 posts 路 476 votes
    6y

    I know someone who does this in LA. Has a 5 bedroom in a C+ / B- area, and rents out rooms. He's had a pretty good experience with it as far as making money. Some tenants stay quite a while. 

    However, he is in the military, and is comfortable dealing with random drama and situations, and people from many different backgrounds. He does get a different tenant base than he would renting the 5 bedroom to one large family or extended family, but his cash flow is definitely higher than with one set of tenants. You can definitely do this in Phoenix, but be prepared to be hands on. 

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Shiva Bhaskar

    Thanks for the input Shiva! When I go through with this strategy in the future, I will be doing a thorough vetting process to try and avoid unnecessary headaches. With that being said, there will always be issues that will arise. I was also in the military and not a stranger to all kinds of uncomfortable situations, diverse backgrounds of people and how to deal with difficult people in general. If the guidelines are clear before they sign the dotted line, there is a mutual respect, and a good vetting process is performed I think I can minimize tragedy. I really appreciate you jumping into the discussion! 

  • Real Estate Investor 路 Miami, FL 路 Member since 2013 路 122 posts 路 51 votes
    6y

    @Bridger L Logan it all depends on the quality of the tenants. I have a 3/2 rented with that model for 7 years , no major issues since I started doing background checks. Single guys no pets. The house is 80% of the time empty, they are either working or going around. Better cash flow and less maintenance than renting the whole house. Turn over is good too ,most of them stay at least a year.

  • Flipper/Rehabber 路 West Hartford, CT 路 Member since 2013 路 128 posts 路 52 votes
    6y
  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Sergio B.

    Thanks for the input Sergio! You're thoughts resound with me and the things I've come to learn.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Taylor Shapiro

    馃憤馃憤

  • Investor 路 Las Vegas, NV 路 Member since 2017 路 321 posts 路 524 votes
    6y

    I house hack a 7 bed / 5 bath in Las Vegas.  Rent out to roommates so I employ the "rent by the room" essentially.

    Pros:
    insane cash flow
    if your room offer is much better value than other places to live, tenants will stay awhile
    a small community can be built when your tenants become friends with eachother
    never ending supply of tenants (at least in my area)

    Cons:
    CAN BE management intensive
    WILL BE management intensive until you gain experience and know how to manage

    If you employ this strategy, the BIGGEST risk/liability mitigator is being VERY clear from the start about your expectations and that you will evict if new tenant doesn't follow your rules.

    With my setup - I furnish the rooms and have all utilities covered.  I don't charge security deposit or move in fee nor do I care about credit.  Send me first month's rent and that's it.  They pay me a flat monthly rate that is much less than if they were to live on their own.  What a deal right?

    Giving them a deal is great because you have leverage.  They don't want to leave because leaving would mean they would be paying more elsewhere.  And someone living with 6 others is in a financially difficult position so money really matters.

    Here's what's crazy when you can get this strategy to work....

    A lot of 4 bed single families could cash flow $500+/mo with this strategy.  If you only grab one a year...it won't take you long to have your moderate living expenses covered fully.  Takes A LOT longer if you're grabbing $100/mo cash flow deals.

  • Seattle 路 Member since 2019 路 5 posts 路 1 vote
    6y

    @Bridger L Logan

    Make sure you get a bed bug addendum. Going thru that now on a 5/3 where we rent rooms.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Missoula, MT 路 Member since 2019 路 85 posts 路 35 votes
    6y

    @Chris Bown

    I have heard that discussed on the podcast recently! Hope that works out for you. I will make sure to add that, thanks for the heads up. Besides that, have you had decent success/cashflow? Do you live there too?

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