Well, We Got Burned .. What I Learned

Well, We Got Burned .. What I Learned

Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 45 votes

Just got burned on a flip. Did a cash out refi on my property to pay back some hard money that is due and banked on an appraisal without researching the market value. Appraisal fell short. Profit will still be made when we sell, but not the 'lick' we initially aimed for when we got started. Needless to say it was out first flip attempt, so I guess I will label it as "cost of tuition." Took our team 7 months to complete the project, and we probably went over-budget $10-15k. 

Just wanting to share a couple things that I learned from the endeavor:

1). Always Consider the Time Value of Money: It took us 7 months from start to finish to have this house ready to put on the market. While the property did need a major renovation, this is mainly due to us doing the work ourselves and hiring out laborers. We did this to save cost because the contractors bids we were receiving pretty high. We thought we saved cost. Instead we put into the house about the same amount as it would have cost us to contract the job out. Just instead of a 1-2 month turnaround, we had a 6 month turnaround. If we would have focused on other aspects of our business, man we could have gotten a lot of other things done! Not only that, but our money was tied into the project far too long! Well, lesson learned on that one...

2). Know The Market: While we had a pretty good grasp on the overall aspect of the market, we failed to really research it. We were looking at what this flip could be instead of what the surrounding market dictated it was. We had to have an appraisal to cash out refi on our LTV, and we made some assumptions because we were certain it would come in at a specific number. Oh were we ever so wrong. While the property still appraised fairly decent, it was clearly below our expectations. Now we know. Next time we do any flip, we must research the comps and recently sold houses. Regardless of the quality of the house inside, you must know what similar houses around the area sold for. This is what dictates the market. And by failing to do our homework, we took an L.

3). Have a budget and have a plan: When we bought the house, we knew its potential and we had a very large profit margin. Time and unpreparedness sharply and gradually cut into this margin. Therefore, we were borrowing a lot of OPM and investing our own capital to get it done. We were all "go,go,go" and were stringing things together left and right. A little money here a little money there. Paying a laborer, making five trips to Lowe's in a day. This stuff adds up, and soon your margin starts to disappear. If we would have had a budget in place, we could have planned accordingly, and tightened up expenses when needed. While a budget is ever important, having a WRITTEN strategic plan could have done us wonders. We winged it through the rehab, and it will cost us money. Our plan was in our head, and we did a lot of things that could have been avoided if we had the 'roadmap' to guide us there. This led to us creating a lot more work than necessary. So with a high profit bargain, but no budget or plan to instruct us, we managed to spend a tremendous amount of capital and watch our money disappear before our eyes. 

All in all, not all is lost. We still have the house to sell! We will still be in the green from our first flip, but our potential could have been so much better. Moving forward, I guarantee we will approach our next flip with a different angle and have it completed in the most efficient way we know how to. But hey, that is the beauty of this business and real estate. And we learned, a ton. Easy to say, we are a lot smarter today than we were yesterday. In the grand scheme of things, that is how you start to build towards success. 

Just wanted to share my experience with you all. It feels great to get all this in writing. Thank you all for reading!!

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Tampa, FL · Member since 2016 · 85 posts · 18 votes
9y

@Stephen Dickey Awesome Job! You're only going to get better by learning from your own mistakes.

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  • Tampa, FL · Member since 2016 · 85 posts · 18 votes
    9y

    @Stephen Dickey Awesome Job! You're only going to get better by learning from your own mistakes.

  • CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    You have to pay to learn.... You will only get better from here ... cheers
  • Wholesaler · Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 15 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    Thanks for sharing! Valuable information for newer investors 👍🏼
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    Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 694 votes
    9y

    @Stephen Dickey The more you know....Congratulations on getting it done despite the problems.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2011 · 512 posts · 290 votes
    9y

    Thank you for sharing those lessons so that others may learn from the "tuition" you paid. We often only hear the success stories and not the stumbles. Thank you. 

  • Investor · Lancaster, PA · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    What do the numbers look like?  

    Thanks for sharing.

  • Businessmen · Boston, MA · Member since 2014 · 47 posts · 6 votes
    9y

    let's get it sold. Congrats on step one on completing the school of hard knocks 

  • Real Estate Agent · Indialantic, FL · Member since 2014 · 182 posts · 80 votes
    9y

    Great tips to help others learn.  Glad you will still make some $ in the end.

  • Real Estate Professional · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 8 votes
    9y

    @Stephen Dickey How did you finance the deal?

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    @Zach Hubert-Allen a couple of ways actually. Purchased the property as a tax lien, and used hard money to finance the purchase and the start of the rehab. Used some of my own capital to continue the rehab, and once i got it to a certain point, i refinanced the property and pulled some cash out of the equity to complete the job. We were lucky, besides the tax lien the house was free & clear so we had instant equity!!

  • Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 269 votes
    9y

    Stephen, 

    I like that your first point was time value of money. Yes that is usually the largest expense. Its better to flip a home with very little profit in 60 days and do that 5 -6 times a year then wait 7months for full profit potential. You will net more at the end of the year with quicker flips. Not saying that you had that option but time is of the essence in my opinion. 

    Best of luck in all your endeavors 

  • Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 44 posts · 9 votes
    9y

    Thank you for sharing! Although I hate to hear investors getting burned it really does help a lot for a new investor to hear about the mistakes you made and what could have saved you in the long run. Congrats on sticking with is and breaking even, you still gained knowledge!

  • Real Estate Investor · Arlington, VA · Member since 2016 · 84 posts · 26 votes
    9y

    Great lessons there! I'd suggest writing down checklists and guidelines to follow next time while it's still fresh on your mind. That will keep you from forgetting or winging anything on the next one. At least you didn't come out behind, it could have been much worse. Normally education COSTS money!

  • Property Manager · Metro Detroit, MI · Member since 2008 · 305 posts · 362 votes
    9y

    My first "flip" I did was 3 years ago. Bought it for $18k and thought I could rehab it in 2 months for $20k and sell it for $70k. Ended up taking 6 months and putting $35k into it. Actual comps were only in the $50s. I was looking at only breaking even at best. I kept it as a rental and still own it. I a ton on that house!

    Be happy you didn't lose money and chalk it up as a lesson learned.

  • Investor · Cottage Grove, OR · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 4 votes
    9y
    Great analysis of this first flip. I am sure with your insight, you will kill it on the next one. Best of luck.
  • Lender · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 6 votes
    9y

    Great story. Very similar situation happen on a rental for us recently in Gastonia, NC. Took extremely longer than it should have to renovate and rent out. Deal was so great that I did not do the financials like i normally would. Fortunately there was not a mortgage attached, which was the saving grace.

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