I did what Josh Dorkin warns not to do

I did what Josh Dorkin warns not to do

Flipper/Rehabber · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 174 posts · 157 votes

So I bought this house in Montgomery Alabama sight unseen on eBay for less than 4k$ it seemed like a good deal not in too bad of shape a previous duplex a few miles from Alabama state. I've worked construction my entire life and done 1 live in flip and one extremely extensive remodel where all we saved in the house was the floor and the exterior walls . So knowing I could easily drive from California where I live to Alabama to fix up this duplex and sell it or rent it seemed to be a no brainer. After I purchased the property it took me about 7 months before I had the time to fly out and see what this place really looks like long story short on the drive there we passed 4 bail bond places going deeper into hood. I wouldn't say I was afraid to be on that street in the daylight mostly because 90% of the houses were completely ABANDONED! By the time I pulled in front of my house I knew no one would ever want to live here. The house wasn't in much worse shape than I thought I could have easily fixed it up but I have since decided to cut my losses and sell it on eBay never buying sight unseen again! I mean unless it looks like a really good deal lol

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BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
8y

Sorry to hear that it turned out that way.  If you have a process, this can work, but for the average person -- especially new investors -- I believe this is a bad idea.

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  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

    It’s a method to sell otherwise undesirable houses In  Sketchy areas to the locals that can’t get  traditional  loans . Very Profitable and removes the burden of managing the property . I’d like to try it myself some time 

    Going to need to partner up on this one.  Owner finance it to another rehabber/flipper that specializes in this kind of thing.  Yeah you got $4K into it, that's beer money.  It's going to cost a lot more than $4K to fix it up.  There are a couple ways you can structure it between the two of you, but you want to find somebody that knows something about this whole owner finance thing -- we'll get to that. 

    Now all your partner has got to do is make it good enough that it can be inhabited.  Might be just foundation work and a roof, maybe a good front door so that it is safe and secure there in the hood.  Ensure it has running water and electricity.  Do a trash-out and that's it.  It doesn't need to pass any inspections, because YOU are the bank.  Now you got a blank page to color on. 

    Then you guys sell that to somebody 'dueno a dueno' as they say around these parts (owner to owner).   There is a whole segment of the population out there that are just never going to 'qualify' for a traditional bank mortgage.  They are always going to be renters.  Some of these are sketchy types, but many, a great many, are good people that hit a rough patch in their life -- divorce, or lost a job or whatever -- but they do have stable income.  Maybe no W-2 job, maybe they are contractors or they are in sales.  Some aren't here legally, but most are.  Many don't have a SSN but they do have a Tax ID number of some sort.

    They put 10% - 20% down, and pay an interest rate like 9 or 10%.  You charge more also for the house. 

    Don't try to qualify these people yourself.  Get a RMLO to do that.  There is a method to this, that will keep you compliant with Dodd-Frank laws and what not.  So find somebody over there that is already into this, and see if there is a way that you can partner with them.  I know a handful of folks here in Houston that do this, and there are plenty I haven't even met yet.

    This guy would be one candidate to talk to:

    https://www.wefinancehousesalabama.com/

    I'd bet you $20 that this person is here on BP... for sure there is somebody like them.

    Read up on a guy named Mitch Stephen, he has built a small empire doing this over in San Antonio.  I hear he was real popular here on BP back in the day.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 174 posts · 157 votes
    8y

    @derek burtle 

    I haven't done anything with thos yet I'm just holding it for now I dont have boots on the ground in Alabama and have since moved to Dallas to flip houses....maybe when I have the money and time I'll try this owner financing thing but it's like 35$ a year to hold so not breaking the bank and don't regret it ..I've bought worse properties lol ..

    @Mark Sewell 

    Thanks for the advice that's definitely the plan when I find my boots on the ground 

  • Professional · Delaware, OH · Member since 2017 · 52 posts · 39 votes
    7y

    Here's a wild card: Have you considered section 8? I know in Ohio there is such a shortage of section 8 housing that you can rent just about anything that takes vouchers. You would have to invest more in it to qualify, and it's kind of a pain, but maybe once it's rented you could sell it to another investor who wants the guaranteed monthly cash. 

  • Investor · Akron, OH · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Dustin Mathenia @Dennis M.

    Some years ago when my grandfather died, my mother inherited a mill house in a very small town 40 minutes southeast of Montgomery. She did exactly what Dennis suggested. The guy paid it off and was only late on one payment in 10 years.

  • New to Real Estate · Dothan Alabama · Member since 2019 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Dustin Mathenia it took me a second to sift through your posts, but it was very much worth it! Thanks for the wisdom man. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 174 posts · 157 votes
    7y

    @Colby Easterling

    Glad you found it .. I still have that property and I'm sure I could owner finance it to someone but I have other things occupying my time.

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