To buy or not to buy - first flip w/pics

To buy or not to buy - first flip w/pics

Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
I have an opportunity to buy my first flip — off market house from an elderly person moving into assisted living. The home is in immaculate condition, like a time warp from 1960. The price would be 160k, rehab for ——, then selling would top out at 200k or less. The profits would be split as a partnership. Is this worth it to try as a first deal? I don’t see me losing money by just doing cosmetic improvements but it’s not going to be lucrative either. What would you do?
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Real Estate Broker · Provo, UT · Member since 2013 · 689 posts · 511 votes
8y

The best deal I did this year so far was a very similar condition (old guy moving into assisted living center).  

If the numbers work and you can get the deal done, it's probably not a bad deal.

One thing to remember when dealing with time capsules - an enormous amount of building codes have been adopted since the 60's, so you would do well to get a good GC that works on old stuff to come and do a walkthrough before you get too far.  

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  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Without knowing that rehab number it's impossible to say if it could work.

    The deal already looks tight though at $160k purchase and $200k or less ARV.

  • Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
    8y
    I can’t figure out how to post the pics from my phone. Apologies!
  • Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
    8y
    @Brian Garrett since I haven’t flipped something before I was thinking $10k in rehab. New appliances, paint, a few rooms need new carpet.
  • Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
    8y
  • Real Estate Broker · Provo, UT · Member since 2013 · 689 posts · 511 votes
    8y

    The best deal I did this year so far was a very similar condition (old guy moving into assisted living center).  

    If the numbers work and you can get the deal done, it's probably not a bad deal.

    One thing to remember when dealing with time capsules - an enormous amount of building codes have been adopted since the 60's, so you would do well to get a good GC that works on old stuff to come and do a walkthrough before you get too far.  

  • Member since 2018 · 43 posts · 8 votes
    8y

    if you don't spend too much in rehabbing, it would be a good one to get your feet wet. Don't forget to factor in your closing costs and taxes in your calculations.

  • Property Manager · Henderson, NV · Member since 2018 · 501 posts · 317 votes
    8y

    @Kelsey Folger is the $200,000 anticipated selling price based on the home in its current condition or after being renovated?  

    If the $200,000 is the improved value of the home then I would think twice.  The reason being there is not really a "margin of safety" of only $40,000.   

  • Johnston, SC · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 14 votes
    8y

    Does it have a shower or just a tub? I just bought one that was from the 60's with a similar situation. However, mine is for rent with upgrades as I go. Got a good tenant that needed a place. Needs a little upgrade like replacement storm windows and electric outlets need to be upgraded. Fortunately, it is not knob and tube.

  • WorldWide · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    yup, wallpaper everywhere (incl the bathroom), flooring, paint (lots of it), counter tops/vanities/tubs (?), electrical panels and hvac. Unless you're doing majority of this work yourself ($10k on contractors could be one job), you're already in at 80% of the arv before any repairs and sales commission (about 9-10% easy) and your buying closing costs. walk away. 

  • Realtor · WV · Member since 2018 · 454 posts · 310 votes
    8y

    The numbers sound too tight for me. If you have to pay 160k, and sell for 200k, once you factor in closing costs, commissions on the listing side, etc... It will be even tighter. A home that old that hasn't been updated could be a money pit as you tear into it. It is a lot of risk for the potential of only a small amount of return. I only like these tighter profit deals if the house is newer and needs specific renovation items that are easy to calculate. 

    I would hold out unless you can find a way to lower cost or raise the selling price. Use the calculators on BP, they are great at helping figure out what can work. 

    Keep us posted on what you decide! 

  • Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
    8y

    Thanks for your help everyone. It's a 3 bed, 1.5 bath house. For the neighborhood (mostly all 3 bed, 1.5 bath homes) the max listing price would probably be 200k. After closing costs (to buy without a realtor, and to sell with a realtor) we,d be looking at a total net income of less than $15k, then split two ways. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Montgomery, NY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    $15k can disappear in a flash on a flip. I wouldn't want it that tight based on a low renovation budget to begin with. 

  • Lender · Newark, NJ · Member since 2016 · 695 posts · 252 votes
    8y

    The Numbers look tight, see if you can wholesale the deal to a end buyer and take the fee instead of potential lost.

  • Rental Property Investor · Gunnison, CO · Member since 2014 · 59 posts · 99 votes
    8y

    I believe it's J Scott that says, "Beware the Ten-Percenter"

    As a rule of thumb, if your penciled profit is 10% (or less) of the final price you should give the deal a pass. 

    As others have said, 10% can be gone in a FLASH.

  • Member since 2018 · 1 post · 0 votes
    8y
    @Kelsey Folger Hey Kelsey, One thing I learned is not to make assumptions when it comes to older homes. There’s bound to be issues once you start working on it and those issues would have to be remedied. Have 3 different general contractors walk through and give you estimates on what needs to be done, and what their price would be then make an educated decision based on the numbers. Also, if the is how youre describing it you can work that price down closer to 120. Good luck!
  • Rental Property Investor · MI · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 64 votes
    8y
    Thanks for the advice! I think my husband and I are going to pass on this deal, I truly appreciate everyone’s views as it really helped to look at the facts from many viewpoints.
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