Home Inspectors Report of finding on Residential Electric

Home Inspectors Report of finding on Residential Electric

Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes

Greetings all,

Just getting started in making Real Estate my living, but not new to owning property, being a landlord, or dealing with problems. I will share some of my own stories later, but for this post I wanted to focus on some issues reported in home inspection reports. I'd like to discuss three topics found routinely as issues in reports from home inspector’s, I have been asked to review and or repair. These topics come from my 25 years as an electrician, and the call to complete reviews, repairs and if needed, letters of refute and or dispute for sellers/buyers.

There are many areas that could be focused on, but for now I am going to focus on the non-grounded (2 prong) receptacle, Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI), and panel grounding. Before I start my discussion I preface this information: Coming from a Master Electrician Licensed in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine and Vermont, acknowledging the fact that other states may or may not follow the same promulgated regulations; may or may not be under the same requirements; ultimately the answers you may need or want should come from the Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) in your region. The four states I practice as an Electrician currently enforce the 2017 National Electric Code (NEC) published by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) As NFPA 70 the National Electric Code. Having said that, each state also has their own state building codes and their own amendments to follow, making it difficult to give blanket statements or hardened opinion without giving due regard to state amendments. The information explained below is based on the 2017 NEC and may or may not be consistent with your State; county; local area.

Two prong receptacles come up often with any house built earlier than the 1990’s. The normal receptacle prior to the 1970’s was two prong ungrounded receptacles. Often through the 1980’s and 1990’s people would replace these two prong receptacles with three prong (added Ground), without updating the wiring that protects the user. It is through the grounding wire (bare copper, green wrapped, green/yellow wrapped) protection is provided. This “Upgrade” has caused users to feel the tingle of electricity, because there is no grounding conductor providing the path of least resistance back to earth. The unbalanced load from the Ungrounded conductors (hot or black) is carried by the grounded (white AKA neutral) conductors, therefore the white conductor is not neutral and should always be considered, a current carrying conductor. This replacement of non-like receptacles, forced the technical committees and code writers to come up with language in the code, identifying this practice as not up to code and creating language that would allow enforcement of this practice. Knowing that it would be difficult to enforce and the obsolescence of two prong receptacles an alternative needed to be provided. Rewiring the circuits to provide the ground is a costly option, one that routinely requires the rewiring of the home or at a minimum the specific circuit. The newest alternative is to replace the receptacle with a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI). I’ll discuss GFCI next. So currently there is just a few means to remedy the two-prong dilemma. First and foremost, if you can find them, the replacement of like receptacles is appropriate, but does not afford the protection of grounding. Many manufacturers have discontinued the production of non-grounded receptacle. Rewiring is the best option, but also the most expensive. Rewiring the circuit could mean rewiring the entire house, which could trigger other expenses like upgrading the panel, meter socket, and smoke detectors. The most economical and code compliant replacement is to use a GFCI receptacle or if possible, in the panel using a GFCI breaker.

Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters have been around since the 1980’s in receptacle form and technologically have developed significantly in the past three decades to the circuit breaker and use in the panel, protecting the entire circuit downstream from the breaker. The GFCI is a solid-state technology, that works off the principal of, what goes in must come out. The circuitry in the GFCI works on the recognition of a 4 to 6 milliamp difference (Most Commonly referred to as 5 Ma) from what is flowing through the receptacle or as supplied from the breaker. The only accurate way to test the function of the GFCI is the test button found on the receptacle or the breaker, as the manufacturer literature explains. Home inspectors will often write up that a circuit that needs protection (within 6 feet of a sink, basements, garages, etc.…) is not compliant with some recommendation to seek a qualified electrician to make repairs or inspect. This is often because they use their plug testers trying to trip the GFCI or breaker. These plug testers are not consistent with manufacturer recommendations and require a ground reference for them to the work. If the test function is working on the receptacle or breaker, the circuit is protected. The plug-in tester can be discarded. This is also why the NEC allows for non-grounding (2 prong) receptacles to be replaced by a GFCI. When utilizing this method all receptacles downstream from the protected GFCI receptacle need to be identified as non-grounding or replaced with a GFCI themselves. This is perfectly code compliant. That having been said, it is prudent to say that a complete rewire is the safest solution.

Panel grounding is the foundation to the need for re-wiring circuits, upgrading receptacles or ensuring that grounding is safe and code compliant. Section 250 of the NEC is the chapter to look at for grounding should you choose to follow up, but these points are easy to understand but not always identifiable. To understand the grounding conductors, one needs to understand the utility and how power is delivered to the house. This happens either through a service lateral (underground) or service drop (overhead). The Utility company will deliver two ungrounded conductors and a grounded conductor to the meter socket. The two ungrounded hot conductors, red and black, and the grounded (white/neutral) carry the power to the meter. The unbalanced load from the two hot conductors, is carried by your white wire, often miscalled a neutral. Each hot leg brings in 120 volts for total of 240. If one of those hot legs drops out, the grounded (white) conductor will carry the balance of the load. Because of this, the white wire cannot be neutral and should always be regarded as a current carrying conductor.

The meter socket is the point of termination form the utility, and typically the transfer of ownership and responsibility. Some utility companies use the point of attachment in lieu of the meter socket. Some meter sockets also serve as the point of disconnect. This is becoming more common and required for the protection of firefighters. A Meter Main as often called, has a built in disconnect manufactured with the meter socket, or has a standalone disconnect, outside and astride, the meter socket. If there is no disconnect outside than the disconnect or first termination point will be at the main breaker, inside the house panel. It is here at the first termination point that a grounding conductor needs to be added. This is the bare copper that goes to grounding rods, water meter, UFER ground or any other acceptable method as identified in the code book and accepted by the AHJ.

If the first point of termination is the main breaker panel inside the house, then it is perfectly code compliant to have the white wires and bare copper wires, attached to the same termination bar inside the panel. However, if the first point of termination is outside at the meter main, then the grounding conductor shall be attached to the meter main and a four-wire service entrance cable shall be provided to the remote house panel, located away from the meter main. Should this occur than the grounding wires should be secured to a ground bar, separate from the grounded (white) conductors. Often home inspectors fail to recognize the need for a four-wire service entrance conductor from the meter main to the panel.

This post hopefully helps identify some misinterpretations and give readers a little more knowledge for their purchases. If you have any questions or need more specific information, feel free to reach out to me.

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Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
7y

@Jim K. there's older cable types out there without the bonding strip, I often come across metal cable with fabric covered conductors wrapped in a waxed covering with no bonding strip. In one unit I found 7 of those cables meeting in an unenclosed junction in the middle of a ceiling hanging on a still pressurized gas line. Fun stuff.

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  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    I often buy older houses and I bring my electrician in to update the service, panel box, install GFIs, remove 2 pronged outlets.  Add new circuits if possible.  Remove items that are not to code, etc..

    My electricians are so good that I really don't get too involved in the process.  

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Brian Ploszay:

    I often buy older houses and I bring my electrician in to update the service, panel box, install GFIs, remove 2 pronged outlets.  Add new circuits if possible.  Remove items that are not to code, etc..

    My electricians are so good that I really don't get too involved in the process.  

     That is the best advise.  Wiring is not a hobby.  Bring in a professional, address all electrical issues right after taking ownership, and have peace of mind for the rest of the time you are the owner.

    SRG

  • Rental Property Investor · Milford, NH · Member since 2017 · 62 posts · 30 votes
    7y

    @Stephen Gallagher thank you for this post! This is extremely helpful. I was replacing some outlets in a kitchen of a unit I'm rehabbing and had an electrician there at the same time putting in some hard wired smoke detectors. He noticed that I was going to put in GFCI outlets on every outlet in my kitchen, even though they were on the same circuit. He mentioned this is a common mistake of homeowners and makes it obvious the homeowner did the work rather than an electrician, as the only outlet required to be GFCI is that last outlet in the circuit before the breaker (this is not correct if within 6 feet of a water source, it has to be a GFCI). 

    Is this true for all outlets? Is it ok to replace the last outlet in a circuit before the breaker with a GFCI outlet and then the remainder going out from that as regular 3 prong outlets? 

    Thanks in advance!

    Tucker

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    If you were to use GFCI breakers at the panel, does that eliminate the need to replace a 2 prong with a GFCI outlet? Could you then install standard 3 pro g outlets on that circuit?

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    it eliminates the need of sticking with two prong outlets.  You do need to identify each receptacle as having no ground.  The circuit is protected, but still is not grounded.

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Tucker McCarthy:

    @Stephen Gallagher thank you for this post! This is extremely helpful. I was replacing some outlets in a kitchen of a unit I'm rehabbing and had an electrician there at the same time putting in some hard wired smoke detectors. He noticed that I was going to put in GFCI outlets on every outlet in my kitchen, even though they were on the same circuit. He mentioned this is a common mistake of homeowners and makes it obvious the homeowner did the work rather than an electrician, as the only outlet required to be GFCI is that last outlet in the circuit before the breaker (this is not correct if within 6 feet of a water source, it has to be a GFCI). 

    Is this true for all outlets? Is it ok to replace the last outlet in a circuit before the breaker with a GFCI outlet and then the remainder going out from that as regular 3 prong outlets? 

    Thanks in advance!

    Tucker

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    The GFCI Breaker Protects everything down stream.  

    To avoid confusions, the first receptacle in the circuit is closest to the panel/breaker and the last one is the end of the line.  

    Kitchens are supposed to have two small appliance circuits, but that was  not always the case.  

    The kitchen should be GFCI protected as you suggested, and it is true anywhere within six feet of a water source (Bathrooms, Basement washout sinks) should also be GFCI protected. 

    In older homes with two prong receptacles it is acceptable to replace the breaker with a GFCI breaker.  This protects every receptacle downstream, but does not provide a ground.  If the two prong receptacles are replaced with modern three prong receptacles on the circuit protected by the GFCI, this is permissible in accordance with the 2017 NEC.  However, every receptacle on that circuit must have identification denoting that the receptacle is non grounding. 

    When you purchase a GFCI receptacle, there are many of these stickers included.  Typically these stickers are placed on the receptacle plate.  

    This code applies to replacing the first receptacle with a GFCI as well.  All downstream receptacles are connected to the load side of the GFCI receptacle, and that protects everything down stream. The downstream devices are still required to be marked "non grounding".

    Hope this helps.

    Stephen

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    7y

    I must point out that the 2-prong issue in this article is specific to NM cable, and does not necessarily apply to AC cable wiring,  on which it is usually legal to use the armor as ground. I have had risers installed and inspected using 8-3 AC with the armor as ground. So if the cable is AC (AKA BX) but the outlets are 2 prong, all you have to do is screw a ground wire on a pigtail to the box and use it to ground your new 3-prong outlet. I gather there's parts of the country where NM has been standard for many decades, but here it's relatively new, and all older houses are wired with AC.

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    @Johann Jells

    Bx is NOT recognized by the National Electric Code as a grounding means. Bx is often confused with Ac. Ac or armor clad is covered in section 320 and is defined as containing a continuous copper or aluminum conductor, intimate with the armor and continuous. Bx does not have this.

    The issue with using Bx as your grounding means is the fire dangers you could be introducing into the circuit. The Bx circuitry often has integral deficiencies from the clamps, from the dirt and scale built up on the armor and the clamps, and poor installation whereby the installer yanked too hard and split the armor.

    The only safe way to add a grounding conductor on a Bx circuit is to rewire, or use the GFCI methods already discussed.

    Here is a link to educate yourself.

    https://www.ecmag.com/section/codes-standards/type-bx-cable-hazard-warnings-and-more

    Hire a professional, wiring is not hobby.

    Stephen

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    7y

    Note that my only mention of "BX" was that some people will call AC BX.

  • Rental Property Investor · ME · Member since 2018 · 179 posts · 59 votes
    7y

    can you ground csst gas line to outside grounding rod?

    or does have be grounded to panel?

    can you safely ground to rod 8ft deep but not attached to service panels?

    can grounding wire on main panel work if connected to copper water line that eventually converts to pex in both directions?

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    Grounding of CSST is not for electrical continuity of the electrical service, or to bond the utilization device to the electrical service,  that job is completed by the grounded receptacle and the grounded branch circuit going back to the panel.  Bonding of CSST is solely for lightening protection and needs to be completed based on the manufacturer's specifications.  Where there are so many manufacturer's and you did not identify the brand being used, I can not state specifically if that method you described is allowed.

    I can state all the ones I have completed, the #4 bare copper grounding wire went directly from the listed and labeled clamp attached to the transition. Nut from the cast to the iron pipe, and was continuous back to the electrical panels ground bar.

    Pex is not a grounding means and should not be counted as one.  If there is a water meter then a grounding wire needs to be connected to both sides of the water meter.  In addition to the water meter there should be two ground rods, a buffer ground or some other approved grounding source.

    Hope this answered your questions.  

    Feel free to PM me if I can be of further assistance.

    Stephen Gallagher 

    Abracadabra Electric

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Stephen Gallagher

    Thanks a million for this series of highly informative and useful posts.

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jim K.:

    @Stephen Gallagher

    Thanks a million for this series of highly informative and useful posts.

     Thank You,  I will posting my second blog post tonight.  My goal is to try to blog every other week.  We will see how that goes.

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Stephen Gallagher

    Well, one question I still have is what @Johann Jells brought up. BX is an early brand name for AC cable. Pretty much every old-timer I know refers to all AC cable as "BX cable." Is the distinction you're making actually between AC and MC cable? My 2011 NEC also defines Armored Cable in Article 320.2 (Definition) as "A fabricated assembly of insulated conductors in a flexible interlocked metallic armor" and references 320.100 (Construction) which reads: "Type AC cable shall have an armor of flexible metal tape and shall have an internal bonding strip of copper or aluminum in intimate contact with the armor for its entire length."

    BX is just therefore an old brand name of AC as far as I know.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    7y

    @Jim K. there's older cable types out there without the bonding strip, I often come across metal cable with fabric covered conductors wrapped in a waxed covering with no bonding strip. In one unit I found 7 of those cables meeting in an unenclosed junction in the middle of a ceiling hanging on a still pressurized gas line. Fun stuff.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Stephen Gallagher:

    In older homes with two prong receptacles it is acceptable to replace the breaker with a GFCI breaker.  This protects every receptacle downstream, but does not provide a ground.  If the two prong receptacles are replaced with modern three prong receptacles on the circuit protected by the GFCI, this is permissible in accordance with the 2017 NEC.  However, every receptacle on that circuit must have identification denoting that the receptacle is non grounding. 

    When you purchase a GFCI receptacle, there are many of these stickers included.  Typically these stickers are placed on the receptacle plate.  

    This code applies to replacing the first receptacle with a GFCI as well.  All downstream receptacles are connected to the load side of the GFCI receptacle, and that protects everything down stream. The downstream devices are still required to be marked "non grounding".

    Hope this helps.

    Stephen

    Stephen thank you for this informative post.

    What is the danger of having an ungrounded receptacle if the original breaker has been replaced with a GFCI breaker? Why are the labels required if it is safe to do this?

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Johann Jells:

    @Jim K. there's older cable types out there without the bonding strip, I often come across metal cable with fabric covered conductors wrapped in a waxed covering with no bonding strip. In one unit I found 7 of those cables meeting in an unenclosed junction in the middle of a ceiling hanging on a still pressurized gas line. Fun stuff.

     Ah, ha, that makes more sense. Thanks, Johann!

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jim K.:

    @Stephen Gallagher

    Well, one question I still have is what @Johann Jells brought up. BX is an early brand name for AC cable. Pretty much every old-timer I know refers to all AC cable as "BX cable." Is the distinction you're making actually between AC and MC cable? My 2011 NEC also defines Armored Cable in Article 320.2 (Definition) as "A fabricated assembly of insulated conductors in a flexible interlocked metallic armor" and references 320.100 (Construction) which reads: "Type AC cable shall have an armor of flexible metal tape and shall have an internal bonding strip of copper or aluminum in intimate contact with the armor for its entire length."

    BX is just therefore an old brand name of AC as far as I know.

     This is the problem with old timers,  they are stuck in their ways and seldom change their terminology to meet the correctness of the material on hand.  We run into the same thing whereby some people refer to any residential wire as Romex.  Romex is a brand name from Rome Wire company and the true terminology should be "NM"  There is NM-B the most common, but there is also NM-C and NM-A.

    BX is not AC cable because it does not meet the definition you stated.  there is no Internal bonding strip of copper or aluminum in an intimate contact with the armor for its entire length.

    BX wire is generally steel protection with two paper or cloth wrapped conductors contained within and no grounding wire.

    Hope this helps.

  • Stephen GallagherPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Hillsboro, NH · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 54 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Max T.:

    Stephen thank you for this informative post.

    What is the danger of having an ungrounded receptacle if the original breaker has been replaced with a GFCI breaker? Why are the labels required if it is safe to do this?

    A GFCI breaker will provide the protection from that 4-6 milli-amp fault, but does not provide a true grounding path back to earth.  That is why you need the labels.  The grounding (third prong) is required for some utilization devices to operate properly.  These devices, much like the plug testers, require a ground reference to operate properly. 

    Hope that helps.

    Stephen Gallagher

    Owner Abracadabra Electric

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