Ductless Heating and AC

Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 29 votes

I had a heating and air conditioning talk to me about doing a ductless system in a 900 sqft house. Has anyone had any experience with these units?

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Adam Loud

Rockland, MA · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 10 votes

@Christian L Babcock the system i just installed in my house was eligible for a 1,600$ rebate in Massachusetts.

2600$ in material

Im a licenced hvac tech so labor was free

And a 1600$ rebate.

Not to bad for a brand new hvac system for 1000$

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Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 29 votes
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@Victor S.
Do you know of any certified installers? We both live in OKC.
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Doniel WinterPro Member
Asheville NC · Member since 2019 · 51 posts · 41 votes
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Go online and look at specs for sqft covered and SEER rating (efficiency). I've priced them at $1100/per zone for 300 sqft for Mitsubishi (line sets are extra) and up depending on SEER rating, meaning $1100 per room/zone no matter if the it's a multi-zone system or individual units for each zone/room. If you're handy, they're easy to install (sub-breakers/cement pads/hanging air handlers), and if you can find an AC guy to run the line sets and charge the system there's some $$ saved. I would opt for a multi-zone most of the time if cooling/heating more than one space.
They're incredibly quiet and efficient. Good luck.
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Victor S.
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Originally posted by @Doniel Winter:

Go online and look at specs for sqft covered and SEER rating (efficiency). I've priced them at $1100/per zone for 300 sqft for Mitsubishi (line sets are extra) and up depending on SEER rating, meaning $1100 per room/zone no matter if the it's a multi-zone system or individual units for each zone/room. If you're handy, they're easy to install (sub-breakers/cement pads/hanging air handlers), and if you can find an AC guy to run the line sets and charge the system there's some $$ saved. I would opt for a multi-zone most of the time if cooling/heating more than one space.
They're incredibly quiet and efficient. Good luck.
way too expensive. pioneer has multi-zone units that would be sub $2k for his needs.
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Victor S.
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Victor S.
Do you know of any certified installers? We both live in OKC.
unfortunately, i don't. my neighbor across the street is a commercial hvac guy and might know somebody. will need to check in with him. try craigslist/homeadviser and ask for references. craigs gets a bad rep for a good reason, that's why you gotta vet these guys as much as you can.
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Dylan B.
Investor / Real Estate Agent · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2015 · 324 posts · 157 votes
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@Account Closed if this is the house we were discussing the other day, I will refer you to the two companies I use in that town, it should be cheaper than what you were quoted. I would go with the traditional HVAC, but with another company.
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Chris Babcock
Member since 2018 · 63 posts · 52 votes
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Completely agree about second or third quotes always!
So not to nerd out here but have you done a cost efficiency calculation? I.E. how long the more efficient system will take to break even with the cheaper option (i.e. keeping your furnace and continuing windowshakers? Or maybe some more permanent cooling install?)
I've found that in the past I've always been one to quickly fall for the "It's more efficient" argument, do the math only to find out that the more efficient system will pay for itself in a few decades.....just asking :-)
And just to be clear, this is a rental right? Not your primary?
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Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 29 votes
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@Dylan B.
Awesome DB just let me know the companies your talking about.
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Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 29 votes
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@Christian L Babcock
Right it’s a rental not a permanent residence.
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Chris Babcock
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Christian L Babcock
Right it’s a rental not a permanent residence.
And you pay utils?
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Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 29 votes
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@Christian L Babcock
I don’t pay utilities. It’s a small town Oklahoma residence and central heat and air is almost standard in the area.
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Chris Babcock
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Christian L Babcock
I don’t pay utilities. It’s a small town Oklahoma residence and central heat and air is almost standard in the area.
Gotcha, sorry to be nosy
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Rhett TullisBusiness Member
Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
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i would avoid mini split based on what you are sharing. a few thoughts i have, i have went through this debate on my properties as well.
-many folks here in okc are not used to these types of units. if the area typically has central hvac they will often be turned off by these and equate them to about the same as a combo window unit.
-it can be hard to find parts let alone a tech that is reasonable and available to service and repair these units when the time comes. tons of hvac companies but many do not want to touch these units and it can often be hard to find the parts depending on the type/brand you buy. ie if the tenant loses or breaks the remote?
-my experience (as i sit here with water freezing on my driveway in a drafty house) that these heat pump units often cant keep up with the cold spells and winds we get in Oklahoma. it may not be efficient enough to get and keep your space warm or at least to the satisfaction of the tenant without a super high electric bill.
-after you have it installed by a contractor (often required to get the full warranty from the manufacturer ) you often do not have enough cost savings to offset the items listed above.
just my two cents take it or leave it.
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Deborah BurianPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
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@Account Closed - for an additional 2 cents worth, $6000 is about what we pay here in OKC to have heat and air, with ducts, installed in a 900 sf house
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Victor S.
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Originally posted by @Deborah Burian:

@Account Closed - for an additional 2 cents worth, $6000 is about what we pay here in OKC to have heat and air, with ducts, installed in a 900 sf house
Wow, that's way too much (imho), unless the price includes new ductwork that was never there to start with (even then...). 900 sq. ft would need a very small condenser (1.5-2 ton) and furnace, maybe $1k each tops. So you're paying somebody $4k to install those?
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Deborah BurianPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
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Yes, that includes ductwork, and we would put a 2ton condenser in a 900 sf house. Your mileage may vary.
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Mark Cruse
Investor · Fort Washington, MD · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Does anyone have experience with ventless AC units?
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