A subcontractors perspective

A subcontractors perspective

Medford Oregon · Member since 2019 · 85 posts · 65 votes

I have been a flooring installer since 2000. I was a contactor from 2004 until 2018. In that time I worked primarily in residential but transitioned to commercial. I am still active in residential and am the "go to" guy for the residential projects my employer takes on. I have been listening to the podcast for weeks and have noticed a trend. My goal is to give the BP community some insight from a unique perspective. 

First off, I salute the women in RE and every industry as they have to deal with stereotypes and dumb **** that most of us men don't. That said, a common issue I have heard is complaints from women about how contractors treat them. Early in my career I learned that women (especially housewives) are a unique client. They required much more attention to detail, asked more questions, and overall, were much more demanding than the average customer. While I personally love the challenge of a "difficult customer", most guys would simply brush off communications or simply charge more for the challenge. When looking at a project, the scope of work is figured but the demands of the customer are also taken into account. If you come off as demanding or difficult to please, expect to pay more.

Aside from the "picky" housewife, the landlord was the next biggest pain in the *** I dealt with. The label "landlord" is automatically associated with "cheap ***". I know this doesn't pertain to everyone but, experience doesn't lie. I have worked in multi million dollar homes doing carpets that cost more than my annual income, as well as section 8 dumps where tenants kept cat feces in the freezer for some reason... I understand that investors may be working with very tight budgets ( I've worked for many landlords who are one bad month from bankruptcy) but many of them lack empathy. As a carpet layer I am sacrificing my body( I have knee and back issues) to provide the service you request. When someone tells me that the price I put my blood and sweat at is too high, I call into question their values. I have seen many DIY or rehabs done by property owners and while the work might pass, the quality is usually **** and anyone with a "trained" eye can see the flaws. Im sorry if this is you but I'd be rich if I got paid every time I told a DIY'er they did a decent job, knowing it was crap. You just can't learn 20 years of experience on YouTube. 

On the flip side, I have so much empathy for investors! I know how most contractors are and many landlords get screwed by the shady actions of tradesmen. I always tell my customers I am grateful that I don't have to hire people to perform work and PRAY they do it right! Construction is an industry that attracts people from all walks of life and there are many bad people out there.  

My biggest recommendation to everyone here is to vet your subs as much as possible and above all else, don't select based on price. There are too many scammers out there and a select few that have the integrity help you grow. 

I am a new member here, looking to transition from busting my *** to racking my brain! I have almost 20 years experience in construction, a community college education, and a passion for helping/teaching others. My resources are limited to what I know but I am willing to share what I know. I would love the opportunity to help others in the BP community as I know I have already gained invaluable knowledge from the forums and other resources. 

Benjamin

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Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
7y

@Benjamin Tighe

Hi, Benjamin, we need your perspective and advice here in this community, that's for sure. I am one of those cheap-a$$ landlords working in C/D-class properties who handle almost all the work myself. I am not offended AT ALL by what you said, because it's true. A DIY landlord is not going to do a top-quality specialist tradesman's job the first, second, twentieth time, or most likely, ever. I am a pretty good handyman, that's all, and I aim for handyman-quality work in my properties.

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  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Benjamin Tighe. Welcome - We need your valuable experience and insight. Please contribute your expertise as much as possible.

    Being in Oregon, I presume you have some horror stories of meeting "green standards".

  • Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2013 · 226 posts · 116 votes
    7y

    @Benjamin Tighe so much truth in your sayings. You hit it on the nail from a contractors perspective working in the residential market. The problem I see is both homeowners and investors are looking for “Pinterest” like results, in an unreasonable timeframe, for peanuts. This brings in the “YouTube” contractors and two guys and a truck type people which typically is were we hear the horror stories from. I asked a contractor client of mine the other day and he said he would rather work for a homeowner because he is getting paid top dollar for the massive headaches he is going to have regardless.

  • Medford Oregon · Member since 2019 · 85 posts · 65 votes
    7y

    A couple years ago I worked on a dumpy little house. The GC was an old timer and way laid back. We chatted a bit and he told me he will never do work in owner occupied or spec homes. He said ,"when i flip homes, I'm the customer. It's my own time frame and expectations that I'm trying to meet so the pressure is not there." 

    The idea of being able to put as much time and/or money into a job and reap the rewards seemed like a good way to test my own potential. Stress free and self serving, what more could I want, lol? 

    I have bid some jobs based on how much I wanted to make just to deal with the customer. Sounds shallow but an interrupting phone call or trip back to a job can get expensive. 

  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Benjamin Tighe

    Hi, Benjamin, we need your perspective and advice here in this community, that's for sure. I am one of those cheap-a$$ landlords working in C/D-class properties who handle almost all the work myself. I am not offended AT ALL by what you said, because it's true. A DIY landlord is not going to do a top-quality specialist tradesman's job the first, second, twentieth time, or most likely, ever. I am a pretty good handyman, that's all, and I aim for handyman-quality work in my properties.

  • Medford Oregon · Member since 2019 · 85 posts · 65 votes
    7y

    @Jim K.

    There is no shame in what you do. I am glad you didn't take offense as that was never my intention. You provide a class of housing that is needed and probably have to do much of your own work to make it pencil. Many times there is no point in paying top dollar for services as some tenants will trash your units no matter what. I think what separates you from the landlords I had in mind when I wrote that is you are honest about how you do things. My issue was usually the mom and pop operators that probably didn't have money set aside for repairs. What they failed to realize was the lack of planning on their part was not my problem.

    Most of the problems we see today come from expectations not being met. Communication and concise contracts take almost all of that away. If you asked me to install carpet in one of your worst rentals, then asked me to discount the labor, I could do it and still make a living.I would specify that you are asking for a lower quality job in the contract and if you agreed to it, I'd do as asked.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 829 posts · 811 votes
    7y

    @Benjamin Tighe Great post and thank you for sharing your thoughts. People in general tend to lack perspective, so you providing another angle is very helpful to a forum like this. You also display humbleness and a calm demeanor, so your good communication skills will go a long ways to creating strong connections and supporters.

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