I Found a House! (I think...)

I Found a House! (I think...)

Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 4 votes

I've been looking for a fix and flip in the Rock Hill/Fort Mill, SC area for a while. It's been really hard to find good deals! I came across a house today that is listed with a realtor on the open market. The owner is motivated and I think its going to be hard to sell because it needs major repairs. Enter me!

The house is HUGE. 4,050 sqft. It was bought as a foreclosure and needed repairs. The new owner decided to gut the entire house- there's pretty much concrete floor and walls. There was a bad roof leak, so he replaced the roof in 2018, and replaced the rotten wood and ceiling. The house has a semi attached 2 car garage that will need extensive work and possibly torn down and replaced. 

The owner bought the house for $159,000 and is asking $189,000. He bought it as an investment to fix and flip, but hasn't had the time to do the work. The house sits on about 1 1/2 acres and has an incredible view of a beautiful golf course hole. The house is in a private country club neighborhood (Country club dues- $7,000 initiation +$500/mo). The closest house in comparison that I could find sold in 2016 for $304,900 and is about 400 sqft smaller with a similar age, layout, lot size and golf course view. Most of the homes in the neighborhood that have sold recently do not have a golf course view and are less than half the size of this one. (~1,600 sqft. Average sales price ~$215,000.)

This is a big project, needing all appliances, toilets, counter tops, sinks, bathtubs and showers, flooring, and sheet rock, with possible termite damage and carport repair.

I'm thinking about offering $150,000. I'm assuming its going to need between $65,000 and $75,000 in repairs (This is a complete guess from just peaking in the windows). Fully rehabbed, I think the property would sell for $325,000-350,000.

Would you take this deal, or would you let it go?

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Flipper/Rehabber · Montgomery, NY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
6y

The closest comparison sold for $305k and the average sale price is $215k. Whenever you are looking to end up with the biggest/most expensive house, be VERY conservative. I think your $325-350k is much too high, if it is over $100k more than the neighborhood average (golf course or not).

Also a complete from studs renovation with possible termite damage will most likely cost more than $65-75k if you are paying a GC to do it.

I would proceed with caution and get a real solid grasp on the ARV and rehab costs before I made any offers to the seller.

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Montgomery, NY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    The closest comparison sold for $305k and the average sale price is $215k. Whenever you are looking to end up with the biggest/most expensive house, be VERY conservative. I think your $325-350k is much too high, if it is over $100k more than the neighborhood average (golf course or not).

    Also a complete from studs renovation with possible termite damage will most likely cost more than $65-75k if you are paying a GC to do it.

    I would proceed with caution and get a real solid grasp on the ARV and rehab costs before I made any offers to the seller.

  • Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Brian Pulaski Thanks for the advice! I toured the house yesterday after posting and agree with you that it will likely cost more than $65-75k. I drove around the neighborhood looking for similar houses, and found 4 in a neighborhood of 100+ homes. I'm still interested in the project because I think there is some real potential, but I'd have to modify my numbers a lot and I'm not sure the seller will go as low as I'd like him to. Thanks again for the solid advice!

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    "The new owner decided to gut the entire house- there's pretty much concrete floor and walls. There was a bad roof leak, so he replaced the roof in 2018, and replaced the rotten wood and ceiling." 

    The owner did a demo and roof. That's not $30K in value. I agree with @Brian Pulaski about understanding the ARV. That's an incredibly part of this equation let only estimating the rehab costs. It's save to assume you better get it cheap because the rehab could explode.

  • Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Jaron Walling Yeah, I think you're right. I originally thought the price was great, but after looking at the house and seeing what little was done, there definitely wasn't $30k in added value done. I also had a realtor friend estimate what the ARV would be if that house was fully renovated. She came back with $275,000-290,000. Assuming it would sell on the low side of the ARV and needs much more in repairs than I thought, I'd have to make a low ball offer to get any kind of return.

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    @DJ George That's a great friend to have on your team. That's a nice spread but with an estimated budget of $75-80K (high end) you don't get much return. $275K ARV -150 purchase -80 rehab = $45K. That's assuming the seller comes down on his price. This deal seems like the only exit strategy is a flip. I'd make an offer and stick to your guns.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    6y

    This rehab is likely $100k based on what I am hearing and with an exit of $275k (you need to use the lower of the range in this case), then your max offer would have to be in the $110k range, I doubt the seller is willing to take that big of a loss and reduction in price but you never know until you ask. Paying more than that will be placing more risk on your plate in my opinion (I thought seeing the property or knowing the area).

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