Is the Pace Morby Subto program worth 10,000 dollars?
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Alecia LovelessPro Member
Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes@Dan Ross I have done two “guru” programs. One for $8000 and one for $7000. Both were a waste of money.
The first the guru did have 2-3 phone calls with me before turning me over to associates. There were weekly group video phone calls that despite usually only having 5-10 people online I could never get a question answered leaving me to believe they were pre recorded. Finally they started pressuring me to buy $5-10M properties that I didn’t have the money for and they started trying to get me to buy their other program for another $8000 to learn how to raise money through partnerships and I was just done. It was clearly just a marketing pyramid scheme of selling more and more programs because none of the other members were getting any further along to buying any properties.
The second program was a women’s program and I was given the name of an advisor and then my personal mentor who would be coaching me weekly. We had about 3 good weeks and I was doing the video courses and the things my personal mentor had gone over with me when right before our 4th meeting she texted me to never contact her again and she no longer worked for the company. I contacted my advisor and there was no response. I went to go to customer service and the whole website was gone and the company had disappeared taking my money and countless other people’s money with it.
I’m not saying all programs are like those two. I just think for me $15000 would have been better spent on a down payment on a property.
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- Member since 2023 · 39 posts · 18 votes2y
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
it may be worth it, but keep in mind it is only for sub2, so it certainly will not be enough to give you the proper knowledge for real estate investing
Truth. Most who sign up for a guru's program become captive to it. That's by design. Pace is no different than the leaders of Hamas or the Sinaloa Cartel in that manner.
well, there are gurus and wannabes that's for sure, but if everyone did some research they could figure that out and get the right people to guide them. Investing in yourself is a key.
But on this specific guy, I jumped on a call to explore the program and it was a high pressure sales call, it did not feel organic, not trustworthy and certainly did not feel the right fit.
Why would someone spend 10k on a so niched-down space of real estate when they can get someone for the same amount to teach him/her everything?
He also lost his licenses in Arizona. He is the Madoff of Real Estate Investing right now.
its crazy how he has put accounts in here with only 1 post to talk positive about pace morby's mentorship, this guy is such a scam and I am not the only one exposing him...
- Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 755 votes2y
I had already thought dropping 5 figures into these "mastermind" programs was a bad idea and now, I think it is even worse based on what I read in this thread. Sorry to see that some of you major funds that could have been used for investment purposes. I had spent $3k on a mentor a couple years back and it was also a waste of money.
- Member since 2023 · 39 posts · 18 votes2y
Quote from @Ray Hage:
I had already thought dropping 5 figures into these "mastermind" programs was a bad idea and now, I think it is even worse based on what I read in this thread. Sorry to see that some of you major funds that could have been used for investment purposes. I had spent $3k on a mentor a couple years back and it was also a waste of money.
there are some good resources and mentors out there, but some people just use social media to promote their "expertise" when in reality they just provide a bad experience, just like pace morby
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes2y
Quote from @John Key:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
it may be worth it, but keep in mind it is only for sub2, so it certainly will not be enough to give you the proper knowledge for real estate investing
Truth. Most who sign up for a guru's program become captive to it. That's by design. Pace is no different than the leaders of Hamas or the Sinaloa Cartel in that manner.
well, there are gurus and wannabes that's for sure, but if everyone did some research they could figure that out and get the right people to guide them. Investing in yourself is a key.
But on this specific guy, I jumped on a call to explore the program and it was a high pressure sales call, it did not feel organic, not trustworthy and certainly did not feel the right fit.
Why would someone spend 10k on a so niched-down space of real estate when they can get someone for the same amount to teach him/her everything?
He also lost his licenses in Arizona. He is the Madoff of Real Estate Investing right now.
its crazy how he has put accounts in here with only 1 post to talk positive about pace morby's mentorship, this guy is such a scam and I am not the only one exposing him...
Now I am starting seeing people with 100 posts. Like he has people finding people to pay to be shills now. I look at Pace the same way the IDF looks at the leaders of Hamas.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes2y
Quote from @John Key:
Quote from @Ray Hage:
I had already thought dropping 5 figures into these "mastermind" programs was a bad idea and now, I think it is even worse based on what I read in this thread. Sorry to see that some of you major funds that could have been used for investment purposes. I had spent $3k on a mentor a couple years back and it was also a waste of money.
there are some good resources and mentors out there, but some people just use social media to promote their "expertise" when in reality they just provide a bad experience, just like pace morby
Also see: Hamas and CHOMOS
- 2yCorby GoadeBusiness MemberInvestor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
Quote from @Dan Ross:
I am new to Real estate investing. I have owned 3 homes in the past that I lived in. I am TIRED of moving and RENTING!!!!
I have been following him for a month now. It appears he is doing deals most people can't do for multitudes of reasons. Has anyone here been or is in one of Pace's programs?
I will pay the money if I can do 1 or 2 deals in the next 4 months. If it takes a year I am not sure if it's worth it.
Thank you
No program is worth $10k, everything you need or want to know is available for free already. I'll hand it to Pace Morby tho- he is an amazing marketer.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes2y
Quote from @Corby Goade:
Quote from @Dan Ross:
I am new to Real estate investing. I have owned 3 homes in the past that I lived in. I am TIRED of moving and RENTING!!!!
I have been following him for a month now. It appears he is doing deals most people can't do for multitudes of reasons. Has anyone here been or is in one of Pace's programs?
I will pay the money if I can do 1 or 2 deals in the next 4 months. If it takes a year I am not sure if it's worth it.
Thank you
No program is worth $10k, everything you need or want to know is available for free already. I'll hand it to Pace Morby tho- he is an amazing marketer.
See also: con artist, ponzi schemer
- Member since 2023 · 40 posts · 30 votes2y
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
it may be worth it, but keep in mind it is only for sub2, so it certainly will not be enough to give you the proper knowledge for real estate investing
Truth. Most who sign up for a guru's program become captive to it. That's by design. Pace is no different than the leaders of Hamas or the Sinaloa Cartel in that manner.
well, there are gurus and wannabes that's for sure, but if everyone did some research they could figure that out and get the right people to guide them. Investing in yourself is a key.
But on this specific guy, I jumped on a call to explore the program and it was a high pressure sales call, it did not feel organic, not trustworthy and certainly did not feel the right fit.
Why would someone spend 10k on a so niched-down space of real estate when they can get someone for the same amount to teach him/her everything?
He also lost his licenses in Arizona. He is the Madoff of Real Estate Investing right now.
lol
- Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes2y
Quote from @Dan Ross:
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:
@Dan Ross I have done two “guru” programs. One for $8000 and one for $7000. Both were a waste of money.
The first the guru did have 2-3 phone calls with me before turning me over to associates. There were weekly group video phone calls that despite usually only having 5-10 people online I could never get a question answered leaving me to believe they were pre recorded. Finally they started pressuring me to buy $5-10M properties that I didn’t have the money for and they started trying to get me to buy their other program for another $8000 to learn how to raise money through partnerships and I was just done. It was clearly just a marketing pyramid scheme of selling more and more programs because none of the other members were getting any further along to buying any properties.
The second program was a women’s program and I was given the name of an advisor and then my personal mentor who would be coaching me weekly. We had about 3 good weeks and I was doing the video courses and the things my personal mentor had gone over with me when right before our 4th meeting she texted me to never contact her again and she no longer worked for the company. I contacted my advisor and there was no response. I went to go to customer service and the whole website was gone and the company had disappeared taking my money and countless other people’s money with it.
I’m not saying all programs are like those two. I just think for me $15000 would have been better spent on a down payment on a property.
I am grateful for your remarks. I know I need to take my time and do a very good investigation of any program. I have been screwed before as many of us have.
Thank you
- Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes2y
Just take action you do not need a mentorship. There are plenty free YouTube videos to listen to.
- Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes1y
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Dan Ross:
I am new to Real estate investing. I have owned 3 homes in the past that I lived in. I am TIRED of moving and RENTING!!!!
I have been following him for a month now. It appears he is doing deals most people can't do for multitudes of reasons. Has anyone here been or is in one of Pace's programs?
I will pay the money if I can do 1 or 2 deals in the next 4 months. If it takes a year I am not sure if it's worth it.
Thank you
You can do the same types of deals without paying $10,000.00 or even half of that.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes1y
I know several people who have forwarded the gator agreements to attorneys and in every case the attorney has told them not to do the deal. I forwarded everything on Pace and the Gators to the Colorado AG.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes1y
Quote from @John Key:
Quote from @Ray Hage:
I had already thought dropping 5 figures into these "mastermind" programs was a bad idea and now, I think it is even worse based on what I read in this thread. Sorry to see that some of you major funds that could have been used for investment purposes. I had spent $3k on a mentor a couple years back and it was also a waste of money.
there are some good resources and mentors out there, but some people just use social media to promote their "expertise" when in reality they just provide a bad experience, just like pace morby
Truth. People have had a horrible experience.
- Investor · Corpus Christi, TX · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes1y
Quote from @John Key:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Jonathan Cooper:
it may be worth it, but keep in mind it is only for sub2, so it certainly will not be enough to give you the proper knowledge for real estate investing
Truth. Most who sign up for a guru's program become captive to it. That's by design. Pace is no different than the leaders of Hamas or the Sinaloa Cartel in that manner.
well, there are gurus and wannabes that's for sure, but if everyone did some research they could figure that out and get the right people to guide them. Investing in yourself is a key.
But on this specific guy, I jumped on a call to explore the program and it was a high pressure sales call, it did not feel organic, not trustworthy and certainly did not feel the right fit.
Why would someone spend 10k on a so niched-down space of real estate when they can get someone for the same amount to teach him/her everything?
He also lost his licenses in Arizona. He is the Madoff of Real Estate Investing right now.
its crazy how he has put accounts in here with only 1 post to talk positive about pace morby's mentorship, this guy is such a scam and I am not the only one exposing him...
All the gurus use that strategy. Third-party referrals work since few people do any due diligence.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes1y
Most gurus are about lambos they rent from Turo. Rolexes they rent. Suits from the tux shop. Hiring girls from hooters to be their "fakerouge".
- Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 1 vote1y
Where would you guys reccomend learning from, to start out?
Do you have suggestions specifically for online courses (rather than in-person meetups, etc.) .... ?I'm trying to glean "where can I learn this from"
I picked up a couple of pieces of info : "Note Investor", and "Passive Pockets" -- what other little nuggets, and bits and clues of information can you give ?
The name of the strategy - name of the person to learn it from - name of online courses - websites, etc. ?
If you have it, please - where can I learn this ? Can you help me out, just a little bit ?
Thank you
- 1yShiloh LundahlPro MemberRental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
@Cory Prior I would say it depends on what you want to learn. If you want to learn about note investing, then you should connect with someone experienced a note investing. If you want to learn about multi family, then connect with a multifamily investor. I teach people about buying single-family homes under market value and then selling them on a lease option. That's the strategy that I use the most and I found it to work out really well.
- 1yShiloh LundahlPro MemberRental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
@Cory Prior There are ways of doing low-money down strategies. However, I wouldn't expect to be able to do many of these deals without quite a bit of experience. At the beginning, I had to use my own money and credit lines and a HELOC. After I gained a lot of experience, I was able to do more deals using other people's money. Now most of my deals are a combination of our business money, bank money, hard money, and private money. We also try to keep a few hundred thousand in reserves.
So I would encourage you to adjust your expectations starting out and develop the discipline of saving money so that every month your net worth is higher than the month before. Then connect with a variety of investors until you find the specific type of real estate that you want to do. Then do everything you can to study that specific real estate niche and then start to partner of some deals to help you gain experience and confidence. This process is probably a 1-2 year process.
- Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 1 vote1y
- Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 1 vote1y
@Shiloh Lundahl
Awesome, thank youok so having that 10-20k as a buy in is important, to first getting into it.... it helps get those first deals started....
just as an aside : I am also just starting out doing finder's fee methods - with tax foreclosure overages refunds, and assett recovery / state funds refunds... so I think those can help me to get that intial 10-20,000.... it might take me some months, but I think I can get there.... that's my initial plan, at least
And if I can get that saved up, then that will help me break into deals....
I'm not working with equity, or a lot of credit - so I am really trying to get creative, and bootstrap myself up there.... I believe I hear what you are saying though, for sure -- that it's better, more fair, and more likely to get deals, if you yourself can show up to the table offering something.... in hard cash
but you still have to know how "fix and flip" works, how to renovate something, how to negotiate.... what contracts to do, how long things take.... etc
that was the concept I liked about Gator, is that it's a team that passes that niche off to the other person, who is good at that - and they can all structure deals together....
you have the deal guy.... the money guy.... the fix and flipper guy, etc. -- and they find deals that could be good for all of them - and everyone is helping each other
I think BiggerPockets will be a potentially pretty reliable place - I know that there's different roles, "finders", "buyers", "sellers".... maybe I can just find deals, and connect people together, and get some kind of small finder's fee for it, or something....
ok so that first 10-20k is important to just be able to provide - when getting into this.... I'll make that a priority, then I will at least have something, to start with....
- make money, save it, keep learning - everything you can, till you find the right niches and right roles ..... & ask the people about the thing they're good at, okkk got it :)
I will do that, thank you very much
hey I picked up some tips from the podcast too.... still listening to it, but.... :
- Robert Kiyosaki, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", and "Cashflow Quadrant" - (already have the pdf ready to go.... but also "rich dad")
- Dave Ramsey
- the more creative way of getting the carryback note down from 40,000 to 30,000 - and using that, to make everyone happy.... and move the deal along
- and I also wrote down.... : never give a city inspector the lock box code before you get there lol…. or do try to stand in his way a bit lol -- that's awesome.... gives me an idea for the culture - and what they must be like lol....
anyways, Shiloh thank you so much - I appreciate it a lot....
great first day, checking the site out
much appreciated !
- Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 1 vote1y
@Shiloh Lundahl tldr : just thank you for replying !
Much appreciated !
- Member since 2022 · 1 post · 0 votes1y
I’ve learned a ton from Pace Morby, and honestly, he’s changed my life in more ways than I can count. I’m not even an official member of his community, but the knowledge and support I’ve gained from following him have been invaluable. One of the most powerful things about Pace is that his approach isn’t just about mentorship—it's about community. He’s built an incredible network of people who each play different roles to streamline the deal process. In real estate, having the right team is everything, and his community provides that.
What’s really unique is how hands-on he is. Pace actually answers his DMs, which is almost unheard of at his level. And his community is filled with people who genuinely want to help you succeed. They’ll hold your hand through the deal process, which is crucial when you’re starting out. Even without joining officially, I’ve found success by applying what I’ve learned from him. If you’re serious about doing deals, especially creative ones that most people don’t even consider, his community is worth every penny. It’s not just about getting a deal or two done—it’s about learning a new way to approach real estate that can open up a world of opportunities.
- Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes1y
Quote from @Joseph Soto:
I’ve learned a ton from Pace Morby, and honestly, he’s changed my life in more ways than I can count. I’m not even an official member of his community, but the knowledge and support I’ve gained from following him have been invaluable. One of the most powerful things about Pace is that his approach isn’t just about mentorship—it's about community. He’s built an incredible network of people who each play different roles to streamline the deal process. In real estate, having the right team is everything, and his community provides that.
What’s really unique is how hands-on he is. Pace actually answers his DMs, which is almost unheard of at his level. And his community is filled with people who genuinely want to help you succeed. They’ll hold your hand through the deal process, which is crucial when you’re starting out. Even without joining officially, I’ve found success by applying what I’ve learned from him. If you’re serious about doing deals, especially creative ones that most people don’t even consider, his community is worth every penny. It’s not just about getting a deal or two done—it’s about learning a new way to approach real estate that can open up a world of opportunities.
Can you share the addresses of properties you have done deals on so we can learn and evaluate ? How long did it take you to earn your money back from the program?
7e investments53 Reviews - Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes1y
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Joseph Soto:
I’ve learned a ton from Pace Morby, and honestly, he’s changed my life in more ways than I can count. I’m not even an official member of his community, but the knowledge and support I’ve gained from following him have been invaluable. One of the most powerful things about Pace is that his approach isn’t just about mentorship—it's about community. He’s built an incredible network of people who each play different roles to streamline the deal process. In real estate, having the right team is everything, and his community provides that.
What’s really unique is how hands-on he is. Pace actually answers his DMs, which is almost unheard of at his level. And his community is filled with people who genuinely want to help you succeed. They’ll hold your hand through the deal process, which is crucial when you’re starting out. Even without joining officially, I’ve found success by applying what I’ve learned from him. If you’re serious about doing deals, especially creative ones that most people don’t even consider, his community is worth every penny. It’s not just about getting a deal or two done—it’s about learning a new way to approach real estate that can open up a world of opportunities.
Can you share the addresses of properties you have done deals on so we can learn and evaluate ? How long did it take you to earn your money back from the program?
Doubt he has those receipts they are referred to as. Gator bois are all grifters!
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