Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall

Justin Morgan · 2014-08-18T16:39:05-07:00

Has anyone talked to these guys? Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall?I’m always interested in ways I can plug holes in my business and farm out the things that I am not best at. So I looked into Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall at www.realestateinvestingmastery.comI ran across Joe McCall on iTunes Podcast and I listened to a number of them. Joe is doing a great job networking and getting his name know in the “coaching” industry with his products.What really interested me in Joe is his approach on “PARTNERING” with other successful investors and growing their business while splitting profits 50/50. He does marketing (that he is good at) in my market and we split the deals I close with him. This sounded interesting to me as "direct mail system" are not my strong suit.... so I submitted some information online. This morning I got a call from Joe’s partner Peter Vekselman wanting to talk about how we can “work together”. I shared my real estate story/history and then he shared what they are good at and doing.1. Marketing.2. Long Term Investments3. Wholesaling or Flips.The conversation was all about their success and what they are "going to do for me". (half of which I don’t need and already have in place)... but he did not bother to ask!About 10 minutes into the conversation he went into how this “partnering” is set up…Pay them $15k upfront and $1000 a month.After a little more talking he said “can you see yourself participating in this?” I simply replied… “No. If I had $15k to throw at marketing and another $1000 a month, I could hire a few people, saturate my market and keep 100% of the deals”. Peter quickly said… “well it’s not for you, have a good day.”I was totally BLOWN-AWAY… end of conversation that quick!! So the warring I share is biased on this… do these guys really want to partner or do they just want your $15k and $1000 month? Are they willing to talk with those that don’t just roll over and pay them?I like partners that 1. communicate and 2. challenge my way of thinking to find a better result. I would have been open to hearing more about the “partnering” but the very second I did not agree with Peter Vekselman the conversation ended.This makes me sad and very frustrated at the same time for the new or vulnerable investor that "roll over"! Doesn’t sound like anyone I would ever want to partner with. Hope my experience might help someone else looking into these guys!

Justin Smart

Real Estate Agent · Spring, TX · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 15 votes

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Yea, that's what I liked about it as well. I figured within 60-90 days I have invested 6-8k, which at that point if its not a good fit I can opt out and saved 1-3k (compared to other program) and at the very least received some sort of education. If it is working out depending on the level of success I can scale my marketing dollars up or down depending on what I feel is best. right now all marketing is by direct mail. I am anxious as well! and of course will keep you updated.

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Brian Gibbons

Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes

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@Greg F.

I think the litmus test for Peter and Joe is this.

Not the leads from marketing but....

Did you net any profit after expenses?

Any one can get leads from marketing.....

And....How about discussing just one of your SUCCESSFUL deals, from prospecting, marketing, negotiating, paperwork to buy, closing, exit strategy, paperwork to sell, etc.

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Zeak Hill

Garland, TX · Member since 2013 · 20 posts · 14 votes

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If I was to give any guru $1k or more then I would like to run a background check, want SSN & DL # because you don't know none of these folks only what they tell you. I hear pitches all the time from gurus' who claim to have made or making double to triple digit figures per month.

So with that type of pitch I want full documented proof that they are who they say they are because in my opinion if they are making all that type of money from "real estate" deals why are you offering a program nation wide where laws are different in each state and certain transactions are not legal or restricted to the point its not profitable for the investor to put himself at risk(ex... Lease Options in Texas are restricted to the point where it might as well be illegal). However, the dream seller doesn't care as long as he can get your money.

In the last year are so in Dallas a lot of new comers are advertising on the radio about getting rich in real estate with flipping houses and offering it nationwide. They are not making money doing real estate they found out they can make more money bilking folks out of thousands nationwide rather than acquiring rentals making a measley $300+ per month or doing a rehab waiting 3 months to a year to get cashed out or trying to flip a deal to make $3k - 10k which is sporadic at best and NOT a constant.

They rather line 300 suckers up at $1k a pop with a potential of scoring 30 people paying $25k for mentoring in each city or better yet just sit at home on a webinar promoting their lies online and hoping you opt in and pay....Some even have the nerve and want you to apply to see if you are the right fit for their program when you will have to fork over thousands. Please!!!!! as I mention previously I would need full documented proof of your claims if I'm forking over $1+ of my hard earned $.....None of them will not let you try it before you buy it just a money back guarantee that you may or may receive.

Wise up folks ask yourself Why would they(Gurus) want to waste time doing real estate like the rest of us when they can rake gobs of money over a weekend or a webinar pitch. They are wolves in sheep's clothing

Disclaimer; I don't think this way about all gurus because I've invested in programs and the ones that cost me 0 - hundreds were way more valuable than the ones that cost me thousands. What I'm seeing now it's gotten out of hand and we say we want the government out of our business but if these scam artists continue to fleece hard working people then it want be much longer when the government will step in and the reason you see states outlawing certain practices.

Sorry for the rant but reading all this hit a sore spot with me.

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John Jackson

Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2011 · 789 posts · 403 votes

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I don't know Peter, but I know @Joe McCall if anyone has a question they can contact me directly.

He is one of the people that I'm glad I know in this biz.

@Joe McCall @Brian Gibbons @Michael Carbonare

BTW- I don't know what they charge, but if you saw what I now charge to work with me, Bill Gulley would die.....

@Joe McCall knows his stuff.......BAM!

The 4 most important people in your RE biz...

Your Mentor!

Your SPOUSE!

Your Attorney!

Your CPA!

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Karl Krentzel

Real Estate Broker · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2012 · 410 posts · 337 votes

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These are all interesting posts.

On a personal note, I sort of feel that if someone is willing to pay a 15k fee as a "Set up" and "Make Sure Your Serious" sort of thing... then so be it if that is what you are willing to pay.

However, that is TOTALLY unnecessary to be successful.. and free.

Personally, I feel that if you are a wholesaling Investor looking to "plug holes" in your lead generation, systemization, as well as profitability; then you don't need to look to any guru selling podio, VA's, mailing, etc.

What a person is best served by (again, in my opinion) is learning the Sales Skills and the discipline required to handle the leads you have adequately.

You see, the problem is not that there aren't enough leads in your town... there are.

We just don't hear the motivation for what it really is when we talk to them.

Just my two centavos.

Have a Powerful Sales Day!

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Joel OwensBusiness Member

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Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes

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Bottom line is people want to be paid for their time.

Doesn't matter what niche it is. Is what they are asking FAIR?? That can only be determined by the person spending the money.

People are running businesses and are not the Red Cross.

I think a key question is are they doing deals in the asset class and area you want to invest in??

If that's the case you might at least get some value out of the program although nothing is guaranteed.

If a company selling a system is nationwide and does not have local roots to where you want to invest then likely a lot of their info might not apply specifically to how your area operates. If that's the case finding someone who is local might give you more value and insight.

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Marilyn Adams

Investor · Cary, NC · Member since 2014 · 9 posts · 1 vote

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@ Greg F....I did talk to Peter but didn't have 15K cash at the time to invest in his program. I have, however, sent out post cards. My question about Joe and Peter is: Do they offer VA's for you to hire to take in any of these calls? If not, have you learned how to hire VA's to take the calls. I know it's hard to take in all the leads and cypher through everything. I'm seriously thinking about hiring a VA to take my responses from the post cares

Anyone else with experience of VAs or Joe and Peter's program please fee free to chime in. Thanks :-)

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Tom Murray

Irvine, CA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 4 votes

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I would like to know how many deals you have actually done. I am on the fence about signing up.

Thank you

Tom Murray

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Account Closed

Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 1 vote

11y

Hi everyone, I've been following along with this thread and noticed no one posted any updates regarding their respective programs.

@Greg F - You've been in the program now for 9 months? With the expenses you listed, so that means you're at least $24k in so far (15k + 1k/mo x 9)... were you able to make your investment back or do any deals?

@Justin Smart - You've been in now 3 months? So $8k spent so far (2k+ 2k/mo x 3). Were you able to do any deals or at least break even on your investment?

Your experiences, good or bad, would greatly help the community as I'm sure many of us are on the fence debating if these programs actually produce the results they promise or just send the gurus on lavish vacations on our dime.

Plus, I trust this forum much more than the phony testimonials the gurus post, as when you google their names, you can't find a single one of them actually being in business. And I've noticed more and more gurus are being super sneaky about hiding the names and locations of the glowing testimonials to make sure you can't verify their claims.

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Jason Anderson

Professional · Palm Beach Gardens, FL · Member since 2013 · 3 posts · 0 votes

11y

Looking at this program as well and would love to hear something back from those that have paid to get started with the program.

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Michael G.

Wholesaler · Bay Shore, NY · Member since 2009 · 359 posts · 199 votes

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Based on the lack of responses from the people who have enrolled in the Peter and Joe program it's difficult to gage the worthiness or effectiveness of the program.

The one gentleman @Greg F who was one of the first people on this thread to confirm he was a Peter and Joe student and share some of his program experience has disappeared from the thread and into obscurity entirely. He's even hidden his profile. @Justin Smart - spent $8k as of May but haven't heard from him either.

You would think any BP member that had success with this program would be here on this BP thread heralding it's praises. Nothing like a little 3rd party validation to get the cash out of my pocket but I've heard crickets make louder sounds than the responses from anyone gaining success from the Peter and Joe program.

I'm so glad I didn't spend $15K up front on this program along with the $1k a month.

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Pedro Oliva

Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 105 posts · 9 votes

11y

I was also looking at them and my first thought was to go on here to see any of the reviews. Im glad I came across this. Due to the lack of responses from both students and Joe/Peter themselves to help explain more on here.

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Justin Smart

Real Estate Agent · Spring, TX · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 15 votes

11y

Guys, Sorry for the absence. Here is my update so far. Through the system that Peter has helped me put in place I have generated on average of 50 calls per month, sending out an average of 300 postcards. I know that I originally said that I agreed to 1k per month in marketing. However, it has been more like 100-200$ per month, by the way, all marketing i do myself through click2mail. Here is the bottom line since my last post, Peter has done everything that he said that he would do: weekly updates, shared info on working with agents, building a network of quality relationships (agents and investors), daily tips on where to find properties and a host of other things. He can only help as far as my progress dictates, I have not gotten a property under contract so Peter has not had the opportunity to teach how to close a wholesale deal. The REAL challenge has been for me to commit to the level of action that I need to in order to reach the level of success that i want to attain. Now, I have been doing things that I need to (i.e. calling sellers, networking, marketing, driving for dollars, etc) but I know that in my mind I have not been as driven as I need to be, which is why I have not done any wholesale deals. With all that said, I have broken my goals down into daily actionable steps that way I know for a fact that I have done what I need to for that day to be successful. Just in case anyone is wondering, here they are, let me know your thoughts: FYI, when I say deals, I mean properties worth getting under contract, not closings!

1. call 25 sellers per day (from campaigns, FSBO, ads, websites, etc)- generating 2-3 legit deals per week.

2. connect with 5 agents per day- 1 to 2 of which generating 2-3 deals per week.

3. connect with 25 new investors- trying to find people who I can help bring value to their business.

Anyway, I am still in the program and will continue to stay in until I am where i want to be. Peter has given me no reason to decide otherwise. I will continue to update my journey and progress within the program for those that are interested. Finally, just to clarify, the lack of success I have had until this point falls on me, no one else.

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Paul Holt

Wholesaler · Liberty, NC · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 5 votes

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@Justin Smart @Greg F.

Well, it's March 2016..... you guys should have a story to tell by this point. Good or bad, we'd like to know. I'm just wondering whether the Joe/Peter program was worth it to you?

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Michael G.

Wholesaler · Bay Shore, NY · Member since 2009 · 359 posts · 199 votes

10y

@Paul Holt

you notice how NONE of these students EVER come back and report their success? You would think due to the amount of BP'ers that showed interest in Peter and Joes coaching, a successful student would come back and post their results to prove that they weren't taken for a ride.

I personally think the students are too embarrassed to come back and admit they didn’t get what they paid for with Peter and Joe's program.

The way the program is marketed it would seem like a can’t lose situation?

https://joemccall.leadpages.net/apprentice-application-joe/

http://www.peterandjoe.com/

They don’t want to coach anyone. They want to partner with wholesalers in different markets.

I'm still lost on why they need $15K "are you serious" up front AND $1K a month for marketing?

$1K a month alone per month would mean I'm very serious.

Has anyone partnered with Peter and Joe?

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Scott Burke

Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2014 · 2 posts · 10 votes

10y

I contracted with Joe & Peter back in late 2014. Same deal paid them $15000.00 up front and $1000.00 per month plus the cost of mail. I had been flipping homes for many years and asked Joe and Peter to send 5000 cards every week but they said it was not necessary to send that kind of volume and I could expect a 7% response. From the start it was a bad relationship. The "systems" that were to be set up in two weeks actually took several months and even then were never done correctly. Peter and Joe were supposed to send 5000 post cards out for me every other week. Not one mailing ever went out on time every week it was a different excuse. Joe is impossible to reach by phone and in 3 months time I spoke to him once for about 1 minute which was a complete blow off. Once you wire the money to their company CH Holdings Peter stops answering calls - he does call back most every time but never offered any help and we never did any deals together. The weekly coaching calls do not offer any value. All calls I listened to all started with 10 minutes of Peter talking about how great he is and how his direct mail was getting a 10% response meanwhile the mail they were sending for me was getting less than 2%. Joe doesn't practice what he preaches on his podcasts he says answer your phones but the mail they did for me went straight to a voice mail number with a 4 minute recorded message. At one point Peter asked me my goals and I told him I wanted to do enough mail to consistently make $30,000.00 per month from wholesale sales and purchase 2-3 homes a month to fix and flip. Peter response was and I quote "your an idiot" you have no experience and do not have the staff to handle it. After that comment I never spoke to Joe or Peter again I cancelled my monthly subscription and started doing mail on our own. For $15,000 we did receive the following: list of cash buyers and real estate agents, zero value, Podio with full app suite value $50.00, 2 InvestorCarrot landing pages with spelling errors and incorrect phone numbers value Zero, 2 postcard designs value $50.00. Weekly group coaching calls qty 12 value Zero. You can save $15000 by subscribing to Joe podcast where he gives you all this "info" for free just shut off the last 10 minutes to avoid the "pitch" that comes at the end.

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Justin Smart

Real Estate Agent · Spring, TX · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 15 votes

10y

Guys-I am no longer in peter's program, i never had any dealings with Joe so I am not going to comment on him. My opinion of peter is still the same as it was in my previous post. He always answered his phone when I needed help, he did what he said he would do, i didnt find him to be a jerk. I didnt have any success in his program, but not because of a lack of support, i dont think i was ready to commit to the action necessary to succeed.

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Justin Smart

Real Estate Agent · Spring, TX · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 15 votes

10y

Just an FYI peter did give me a postcard template. However i bought my lists from list source and chose my own vendor to do the mailings. He never did that for me, nor was i setup with a podio platform, not that that really matters.

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Jerry PuckettPro Member

Wholesaler · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

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Originally posted by @Scott Burke:

I contracted with Joe & Peter back in late 2014.

Hi Scott, I confess when I first looked at your posting I was prepared to call you out as a shill. 1 post in 2 years, and just happens to be about a guru program. We see that a lot as a guru will send his minions to correct the tarnish on his image.

But then as I read your post and how no holds barred it became.....wow!! All I can say is this must have really ticked you off!! Just as it should. Sorry you had to learn this the hard way, but thanks a bunch for jumping in and telling us like it is.

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Michael G.

Wholesaler · Bay Shore, NY · Member since 2009 · 359 posts · 199 votes

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@Scott Burke - Excellent feedback. I hope someone who is considering taking their course searches the internet and finds your post. You have just saved one or more people certainly $15K+ and a possible life time of regret.

One of the worst things GURU's do is fleece students for cash and then take no action. Incredible that GURU's actually seem to have made a business model of these cash for coaching fradulent acts.

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Paul Holt

Wholesaler · Liberty, NC · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 5 votes

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@Scott Burke @Michael G. @Justin Smart

Thanks a lot guys. I was tinkering with the idea of signing up, but something didn't sit well with me. So, I googled it, and found this thread. I'm glad I did.

I have purchased a few products of Joe's before, and was satisfied with the quality and price. However, I won't be signing up for this program.

Thanks again. I appreciate your insights.

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Chris Grenier

Flipper/Rehabber · Orlando, FL · Member since 2016 · 311 posts · 150 votes

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The amount of money these people charge to teach people what they can learn from a book and some general common sense and ambition is astonishing. More power to them, it is a tremendous business model that I am looking to pursue in the near future.

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Paul Holt

Wholesaler · Liberty, NC · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 5 votes

10y

@Scott Burke @Michael G. @Justin Smart

Thanks a lot guys. I was tinkering with the idea of signing up, but something didn't sit well with me. So, I googled it, and found this thread. I'm glad I did.

I have purchased a few products of Joe's before, and was satisfied with the quality and price. However, I won't be signing up for this program.

Thanks again. I appreciate your insights.

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Loretta Owens

Riverdale, GA · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 5 votes

10y

@Scott Burke- Thank you so much the your post! You have just saved me so much. I will continue to look for a mentor the old fashion way, REIA meetings and word of mouth.

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Tim Herndon

Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2013 · 205 posts · 161 votes

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@Chris Grenier @Paul Holt @Loretta Owens

I found an interesting concept that is a hybrid type coaching option. I liked the idea so much I wanted to share it with you. It's called Clarity.fm. The cool thing aobut this is you can just pay by the hour, so if you have questions and are stuck on a deal you can get help without paying 10K-30K for a coaching program. I love the concept so much I signed up with them. You can search their database for exactly what type of consulting you need and schedule calls right through the website. I think this may the future of coaching/consulting becasue you are only paying for what you need. I wiuyld be interested to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!

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