RENATUS SCHOOLING?
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RENATUS SCHOOLING?
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Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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Originally posted by Doug Leedy:
I belong to Renatus here in south Florida. It's 100% legit. I've been in real estate for 40 years and it's the best concept in real estate investing I've seen in my career. I only wish it had been available when I was younger. I've been to several of the Guru's and spent tens of thousands of dollars, so I know and understand their models, and Renatus blows them out of the water for several reasons.
Doug - You have 4 posts on BP, all of which are regarding this company and 3 of which are just cut-and-paste of the exact text above. While that doesn't necessarily detract from your experience or opinions, it does call into question your relationship with the company (and your motives for posting here).
Is there a reason you've chosen to participate in the discussions about this company over the past year, but no other discussions here on BP?
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- Real Estate Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2015 · 45 posts · 4 votes11y
@Tom Mole thank you for your encouraging words. It took me two late nights to get through the thread and was intrigued that it had been ongoing since 2013 You are absolutely correct...my first take away over and over again is that BP is the place for me to learn about REI...essentially for free. Secondly, I took away that Renatus like most of these other companies are about making money through their course offerings. Having stumbled upon BP in my google search inquiry for the cost of builder risk insurance...I was shocked to get a response from 2 people who willingly shared information. I soon discovered BP was a REI community with much if not priceless information and support to offer (particularly to those new to REI). I read and listen every opportunity I get (it's soooooo much information)...I am here to learn from everyone and to succeed in becoming the best at REI'ing. BP has made me confident in knowing that this is attainable.
- 11yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
that is a better and reasonable response.. to just get it out there with what it cost and let the public decide.. the MLM marketing approach were you lead with the owners were broke and homeless is just tired and old frankly.
your statement you just made resonates with me.. tell a guy hey its 20k ... you may not need it if you just want to be a fix and flipper... and if you want to bird dog students you can make some money doing that... Just like Keller Williams model.. Although I personally know many Keller agents I have never had one tell me that make any real significant money on the agent recruitment profit sharing.
Many different paths to success in RE... we all know that... and some are far more money sensitive than others..
However for Sure BP is just not the venue in my mind to recruit students.. as J Scott mentions the way to be productive on BP is share real knowledge and those that think your valuable will reach out to you off line..
I get many PM messages about mentoring etc.. I don't mentor as I don't really think I would be good at it.. One I am far to busy in my own companies. But I encourage folks with no experience to spend the less than 1k and get a license this will give them basics and if they even go very part time they will work with those in the industry that are doing deals. and a license allows you to do many things... you can do leasing, commercial , In CA a broker can do loans , you can sell residential many different income streams to follow. But if your goal is to flip houses I think personal access to MLS is very critical. One to get a jump on deals and two to sell your own deals.. if your really doing any volume you save 3% of gross sales yearly... If your flipping 2 to 5 million a year in homes you own that's 60 to 150k in your jeans for simply having the license.
There was a thread that went pretty far on BP with this young lady in Seattle that did her first fix and flip and made I think 18k.. it was all great and all and she got lots of Atta Girls but when you dissected what she wrote the only reason she made 18k was first off she saved 7k by listing it herself ( she is licensed) and had sweet heart money at 6%.. the license allows for ut oh's that would normally be loss's or no profit.. at least in this instance your buying your own listings. and in ultra hot markets that's not a bad way to go
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @Doug Leedy:
I do have to wonder what it is that compels a few people to so vociferously go after a program that offers so much to people who want to get started in our industry. They must have some other agenda.Since you are wondering, I'll tell you some of the things that compel me to go after these types of programs...
- In my experience, the success rate of those who go through these types of programs is ridiculously low. If a program were to provide verifiable success data, that might change my mind. But, your response (or someone from your organization's response) was that collecting that data is too expensive. Sorry, that's not a reasonable (or believable) answer.
- In my experience, the expected value of these programs is negative. It doesn't matter if the program is $100 or $100,000 -- it's not the absolute value cost of the program that means anything, it's the expected value. If the expected value is positive (with a relatively small variance), I'd likely support it. Again, when I asked if this data was available, you said no. So, I'm going to assume my experience holds in this case.
- Personally, I don't think cost or expected value means anything if an organization is willing to stand behind their product. Allow students to pay-as-they-go (and stop anytime) or allow students a money-back guarantee if they're not satisfied with the program. But, your program won't do that. They want all the money upfront, non-refundable. That means you have the opportunity to make promises you don't keep (not saying you do that, but you have gamed the system to give yourselves the power to do so).
- You claim the program is focused on real estate education, but we've had several current and former members of your program who have made it clear that a very large portion of the program revolves around direct sales and commissions for selling the program. While technically it may not fit the legal description of an MLM, on the face of it, the intent is the same, and it's clear that the selling aspect is so pervasive within the organization that I have to assume it detracts from the actual education.
- At least one founding member of your organization has a well-documented history of associating with other people (Jim Picolo) and organizations (Nouveau Riche, Global Prosperity Group) that have been convicted for fraud against investors and investigated by the SEC. In this industry, perception is as important as reality, and anyone willing to associate themselves with less-than-honest people and organizations (whether or not they've committed any crimes themselves) is suspect in my mind.
- I've yet to see any indication that those who are on here promoting your group actually have any real investing expertise or knowledge. The 30 or so posts on this forum from your members that actually address real estate questions provide vague information without substance. I would think that anyone who is part of your program would be a reasonable reflection of the knowledge imparted by your program, so the unsubstantial answers provided to real estate questions makes me wonder if that means the program doesn't have much substance either.
- In this thread, you guys have continued to compare your program to accredited university programs, both in terms of value, success rate and cost. But, you haven't been able to support those claims. In terms of value, you haven't provided any evidence that a degree from a non-accredited program is as valuable as a degree from an accredited program. In terms of success rate, your best argument is that there are a lot of college graduates that don't have jobs, but I think most people would agree that a higher percentage of college grads get jobs than the percentage of those who go through your program end up as successful investors (though you claim it's too expensive to accumulate that data). In terms of cost, the most recent posts have pointed out that your program costs about the same as an expensive public university or an inexpensive private college -- hardly low cost as was originally claimed.
Finally, to your point about us having some other agenda, yes we do. Our agenda isn't to bash you guys, it's to ensure that new/naive investors aren't being misled to make bad financial and educational decisions.
Hopefully that addresses your confusion as to why this thread has gone the way it has...and thank you for giving me an opportunity to summarize my thoughts.
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
This thread has gone the way it has because you and the others believe that yours is/are the only valid opinion(s).
Note also that everything you have expressed about Renatus is 100% uninformed speculation, 0% actual first-hand experience.
@Doug Leedy and I have first-hand experience. It's the paradigm we speak from.
No, not everyone who comes our way is financially destitute. No one - including me - ever said otherwise. You should know better than that.
I do find it odd, though, that some of the people who want to get involved with the education don't seem to have the money - until they find themselves behind the financial 8-ball in a major way. More than a little counter-intuitive, no?
"to just get it out there with what it cost and let the public decide"
When acquiring properties, do you look only at the asking price? ... or do you do your "due diligence"? If you do, do you do it e-mail? ...internet chat / blog / forum?
We prefer to work with people who make intelligent, fully informed decisions. Neither an e-mail, a blog / forum post nor a quick telephone conversation are sufficient to provide all the necessary information to make an informed, intelligent decision.
That's why every one is so frustrated that the only response I can give is the same one the Chinese lady did: You want information? "That what meeting for. You come meeting", or to a webinar - the live follow-up webinars are interactive and allow for Q&A via the chat box. You can also prevail upon the person who connected you with the meeting and/or webinar to arrange a 3-way call with their mentor / coach / whatever you want to call them.
Until one has first hand experience, all anyone can say is purely "their thoughts", with a questionable basis in reality, at best.
Hopefully, that addresses at least some of the confusion generated by all the negativity and nay-saying ...
... and thank you for giving me an opportunity to summarize my thoughts from first-hand experience with Renatus.
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
100% uninformed speculation? That's a lot of percent!
Is it safe to say that if I got first-hand information from YOU, that it's no longer speculation?
Assuming so, let's examine some of my claims and I'll support them (I know you won't read this, but it's more information for those who find this thread in their search for information about your company):
- My first claim was that the success rate of programs such as yours was typically very low, and that without keeping statistics, you can't prove that your success is any better than anyone else's.
You first claimed it was too expensive to keep these statistics. Here is YOUR quote from Feb 16 @ 6:42pm:
You then argued that even Harvard doesn't keep this information (post from Feb 15 @ 12:59pm) -- here's YOUR quote:
That was a reasonable question, so I provided a link with the information (post Feb 15 @ 1:35pm). Here was the link I provided:
http://www.hbs.edu/recruiting/data/Pages/detailed-...
You then changed your tune and said that the reason you can't claim any success numbers is that legally they must be independently verifiable (post on Feb 17 @ 7:41pm):
Btw, that's not true -- you'll need to be able to support your claims if the Atty General gets involved, but there's no law that says you need independent verification before making claims.
Clearly, that says you don't have any statistics and you're looking for lots of excuses why not. Perhaps the most obvious is the one to go with (they aren't good).
I'll rest my support of this claim...
- I then made a claim that you guys don't provide a pay-as-you-go or a money-back guarantee, as nearly all accredited institutions do. I don't think I need to provide any proof that most accredited institutions allow pay-as-you-go (I can't think of any well known schools that aren't paid semester-by-semester), but regarding how your program handles refunds, this is all YOU had to say (Feb 16 @ 2:53pm):
Now, I've seen LOTS of programs with money-back guarantees -- I'm not sure why I would run from those. But, I certainly interpret your statement to mean that your company offers no money-back guarantee on your products/services. Feel free to correct that if I'm wrong.
But, assuming you can't tell me that your program offers a pay-as-you-go plan or a money-back guarantee, I think it's safe to say you don't...and my claim is correct.
I'll rest on my support of this claim...
- Then I claimed that a large portion of your program focused on direct sales, not real estate investing education. I thought that was something we'd agree on based on previous comments, but apparently not. So, let me refresh your memory about how your company focuses on direct sales.
Here is a quote from your company's website (http://www.reisuccess.com/about-renatus.html):
Are you arguing that direct sales isn't the second (or first) one? And it sounds like from that we can conclude that the company puts both real estate investing and direct sales on equal footing.
Even your partner, Doug, talked about commissions (Jan 15 @ 6:53am):
And the amusing part is that you then went on to say that that this isn't true (Feb 16 @ 5:48pm):
Doug says that people get commissions for recruiting and you're saying everyone is volunteer. Given that you've acknowledged your company does direct sales, clearly you were lying through your teeth!
I can't believe I had to support this claim, but there you go. I rest this one...
- I then claimed that at least one founding member of your organization has a well-documented history of associating with other people and organizations that have been convicted for fraud against investors and investigated by the SEC.
Do I really need to support this? Okay...
Your founder, Bob Snyder, was a partner with Jim Picolo at Nouveau Niche. Here's a little bit about Jim Picolo:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-idd-1_10-cv-...
There are plenty more rumored associations that I don't have time to research, but if one of my partners was ever indicted on defrauding investors, I wouldn't blame you if you didn't trust me with your money.
Done with this one...
- I then claimed that those from your company on this site haven't contributed or exhibited any substantial real estate expertise or information. I can't prove a negative, so it's impossible to prove that's the case. But, unless you can provide an example, I'm comfortable with this one.
Would you like to provide an example of any worthwhile real estate investing information you've provided?
There were a couple other points, but I'm tired of typing and cutting-and-pasting. Plus, anyone who has read this far already gets the point.
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
"Would you like to provide an example of any worthwhile real estate investing information you've provided?"
This thread is about Renatus schooling. Again. review my posts in other forums.
"Plus, anyone who has read this far already gets the point."
Probably, but certainly not the one you intended!
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:
"Would you like to provide an example of any worthwhile real estate investing information you've provided?"
This thread is about Renatus schooling. Again. review my posts in other forums.
If you think the information you've provided in other threads is substantial and worthwhile, you and I clearly have a different definition of "expert advice."
- Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
@David Dachtera I would love for you to explain how I was wrong in the pay scale. Publicly. I severed ties with my recruiter as I didn't agree with their conduct.
Are you telling me that I am wrong in the facts that:
If a student pays 3k upfront it takes them more sales to get the full 50% in profit per recruit vs. someone who pays 24k upfront?
Doesn't the leader of your organization talk about how he did just that with himself and a relative?
It's all about paying the person who recruited you back a certain $ amount or deal count before you are "certified" and make the 50% per deal correct?
You guys call them buckets or tiers or something. Lets not split hairs there. I have screen shots I can go back and pull up from the video pitch if need be regarding the correlation between entry price and profit.
- Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes11y
Man, this sounds like Amway or multilevel, to pay your upper-level money for some kind of conditional success is crazy
I coach people one-on-one for a flat fee and they get me nobody else
I consult on their marketing in their salesmanship and their team building getting the right attorney
I give a conditional guarantee that
"if the paid student that pays the training fees and fails to profit in the first 12 months my coaching, with the condition that they actually go out and talk to the sellers and buyers and agents and title companies as I train, they make a Skype meetings on time and don't keep rescheduling, then I offer a money back guarantee."
Because I have clearly failed them.
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
"Is it safe to say that if I got first-hand information from YOU, that it's no longer speculation?"
Ask a circuit court judge what that's called. Reference the Drew Petersen case right here in Will County, IL.
(More of your endless negativity and nay-saying...)
We're having our annual Regional Event right here in suburban Chicago next weekend, August 28th and 29th.
So, tell ya what I'm gonna do:
I'm gonna fly you - and your wife, if she wants - out here for the regional so you can bring your case DIRECTLY to Bob Snyder HIMSELF! ..live, and in-person! I'll cover your accommodations (you're on your own for meals!) and I'll pay to get you into the event, both days, both of you.
That's right, hot shot, I'm calling you out - right here in a public forum, so I have no way to back out. Everyone who reads this will hold me accountable. How's THAT for transparency?
Time to put your mouth where your keyboard is.
Do you have the backbone to make your accusations directly to Bob Snyder's face?
...or will you wimp out and hide behind your keyboard and your moderator powers like you always do?
You are the rubber - you just met the road. Put up or shut up.
What's it gonna be?
Oh, and I have a web guy who will archive this entire thread as soon as this post appears in the forum. If you don't come out here to meet Bob, I will put this whole packet together and send it to the legal department at Renatus Corporate. That way, if you try to delete anything, you - and BP - can be held accountable. We'll see how THEY feel about your postings (I'm keeping my own feelings to myself, for now.)
Do you have the backbone to make your accusations directly to Bob Snyder's face?
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @Ryan Dossey:
@David Dachtera I would love for you to explain how I was wrong in the pay scale. Publicly. I severed ties with my recruiter as I didn't agree with their conduct.
Are you telling me that I am wrong in the facts that:
If a student pays 3k upfront it takes them more sales to get the full 50% in profit per recruit vs. someone who pays 24k upfront?
Doesn't the leader of your organization talk about how he did just that with himself and a relative?
It's all about paying the person who recruited you back a certain $ amount or deal count before you are "certified" and make the 50% per deal correct?
You guys call them buckets or tiers or something. Lets not split hairs there. I have screen shots I can go back and pull up from the video pitch if need be regarding the correlation between entry price and profit.
You're not painting an accurate picture of the compensation plan. Although what you say is a cynical way of putting it, it is inaccurate.
The compensation plan is what is known in the insurance industry as "the Australian 2-up": Sell 3 or buy one, sell two. That's an extreme over-simplification, but that's it in a nutshell.
The "bucket" has to do with whether you start out in the top package, and whether buy the accelerated training before someone buys it from you.
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @Brian Gibbons:
Man, this sounds like Amway or multilevel, to pay your upper-level money for some kind of conditional success is crazy
I coach people one-on-one for a flat fee and they get me nobody else
I consult on their marketing in their salesmanship and their team building getting the right attorney
I give a conditional guarantee that
"if the paid student that pays the training fees and fails to profit in the first 12 months my coaching, with the condition that they actually go out and talk to the sellers and buyers and agents and title companies as I train, they make a Skype meetings on time and don't keep rescheduling, then I offer a money back guarantee."
Because I have clearly failed them.
As I explained to Ryan - and have stated repeatedly, it's not multi-level. It's based on how an insurance broker might build his staff. Each trainee's initial sales split the commission between the broker and the new agent to compensate the broker for his efforts to train the newbies. When you become the trainer, then you benefit.
I'm guessing you don't have 10,000+ students to take care of single-handedly.
What you describe *IS* a much sought-after nirvana from the student perspective.
In the end, though, the program won't work for you unless you work the program. That's true in ANY entrepreneurial venture, not just REI.
- Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes11y
I have been an estate planner selling life insurance and and annuities and long-term care working for general agents so I get your analogy
I enjoy LLM taxation issues
And yes I don't have 10,000 students
But the ones do I have learn a strong level of real estate information and get into action
They don't get overwhelmed with a lot of information or strategies
They use a letter of intent and have a lawyer draft the docs
I encourage a sales license
They interview sellers and give them a cash offer and a terms offer
They also market for IRA private lenders and joint venture partners
There seems to be many people there really unhappy with Renatus
And if @J Scott gives it a "thumbs down" I'd be inclined to give it too.
Maybe you could find a way to improve your company's reputation
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
"Maybe you could find a way to improve your company's reputation"
That's EXACTLY what I'm trying to do. All the negativity and nay-saying make that VERY challenging.
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:
So, tell ya what I'm gonna do:
I'm gonna fly you - and your wife, if she wants - out here for the regional so you can bring your case DIRECTLY to Bob Snyder HIMSELF! ..live, and in-person! I'll cover your accommodations (you're on your own for meals!) and I'll pay to get you into the event, both days, both of you.
That's right, hot shot, I'm calling you out - right here in a public forum, so I have no way to back out. Everyone who reads this will hold me accountable. How's THAT for transparency?
Time to put your mouth where your keyboard is.
Do you have the backbone to make your accusations directly to Bob Snyder's face?
...or will you wimp out and hide behind your keyboard and your moderator powers like you always do?
You are the rubber - you just met the road. Put up or shut up.
What's it gonna be?
Oh, and I have a web guy who will archive this entire thread as soon as this post appears in the forum. If you don't come out here to meet Bob, I will put this whole packet together and send it to the legal department at Renatus Corporate. That way, if you try to delete anything, you - and BP - can be held accountable. We'll see how THEY feel about your postings (I'm keeping my own feelings to myself, for now.)
Do you have the backbone to make your accusations directly to Bob Snyder's face?
Yes, I will be happy to talk to Bob. I typically set aside one day a week that I let people who want to meet with me come take me out to lunch -- if Bob wants to come here the last week in August, I'll find a slot in my schedule for him. In fact, just let me know when he wants to come, and I'll make some time.
As for making my case to him, I think you have it backwards. When someone tries to sell something, it's not the job of the customer to make a case for why he doesn't want the product. The customer need only say, "Nope, I don't want it."
It's up to the business selling the product to prove to the customer that it's a worthwhile product. If you or Bob want to make your case to me why your product is great, I'm all ears. But, when I asked for proof earlier, all you could tell me was that you believed the program had a 70% success rate. But, then you said you don't keep statistics because it would be too expensive to do so and because it would be illegal for you to provide statistics.
Now, as for a lawsuit, I would seriously consider talking to your legal department before you start throwing around threats like that...
You do realize that you just told me -- in writing on a public forum -- that if I don't get on a plane and travel to meet with Bob, you will attempt to have your legal department sue me for the content of my posts. In other words, you are making a demand (my visiting Bob), for which if I don't agree, you're threatening to attempt to take legal action on a completely separate legal issue (the content of my posts).
Do you happen to know what "extortion" means? Look it up...
Lastly, you might want to do some research on defamation suits and what the legal standard that must be surpassed to win one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to prove that anything I have said in this thread is verifiably inaccurate or false (even if it hurts your feelings). Especially since 99% of what I've said is pure opinion.
But, if your organization would like to spend some time in open court providing all the statistics on your organization's success, I think we'd all be interested in hearing about it (especially after you assured us those statistics don't exist).
I'm open to any more threats or extortion you'd like to make against me...
- Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes11y
With David you're not doing a very good job because you getting defensive in your statements and using things like Harvard business school which is ludicrous
Why don't you start a thread that says
10 important real estate concepts that you can learn if you join Renatus
And another thread
Why Renatus is worth the money
I spent hundreds of hours talking about my training for free on BiggerPockets
I get students from BiggerPockets because they've read what I wrote
This is called earning their trust
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
"I'm open to any more threats or extortion you'd like to make against me..."
Pot calling the kettle black there, Jason?
You are the one slandering and defaming Bob Snyder, Scott Rowe, me ... pretty much everyone connected with Renatus. That puts the onus on YOU, not him or anyone else. The evidence is clear, it's in your own words and it's stored safely away.
I pretty much knew you'd wimp out. You're all ego and talk, but when it comes to time man up and face the music, ...
I'll have the people start putting stuff together first thing in the morning.
...and by the way, I only said, "I will put this whole packet together and send it to the legal department at Renatus Corporate." What - if anything - they choose to do with it is up to them, not me. It could end up on Bob Snyder's desk, it could end up in the circular file. Who knows? So, keep your vile threats to yourself.
- Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Do you happen to know what "extortion" means? Look it up...
Lastly, you might want to do some research on defamation suits and what the legal standard that must be surpassed to win one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to prove that anything I have said in this thread is verifiably inaccurate or false (even if it hurts your feelings). Especially since 99% of what I've said is pure opinion.
But, if your organization would like to spend some time in open court providing all the statistics on your organization's success, I think we'd all be interested in hearing about it (especially after you assured us those statistics don't exist).
I'm open to any more threats or extortion you'd like to make against me...
Dang J,you might want to reread and actually comprehend what was said.
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
Sorry - web site glitch. Double-post...
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
Originally posted by :
...and by the way, I only said, "I will put this whole packet together and send it to the legal department at Renatus Corporate." What - if anything - they choose to do with it is up to them, not me. It could end up on Bob Snyder's desk, it could end up in the circular file. Who knows? So, keep your vile threats to yourself.Awesome...go for it! Wish I could see the lawyers faces when they read this thread...
Btw, I have a challenge for anyone who has or is interested in reading this thread:
I'LL GIVE A COPY OF MY BOOKS (OR BUY YOU ANY BOOK YOU WANT IF YOU AREN'T INTERESTED IN MINE) TO ANYONE WHO CAN FIND THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING I'VE SAID ABOUT RENATUS IN THIS THREAD.
You must post my exact quote along with the date/time it was posted.
I'm curious what these horrible things I've said about your company are...and I want to make it a bit easier for your lawyers to find the horrible things you think I've written... :-)
- 11yRoy N.Pro MemberRental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
Originally posted by @Doug Leedy:
I have read these posts recently because I've been inundated with them in my inbox and I was curious to see what was going on. I have to say I'm astounded at the vigorous bashing of Renatus and some of the misinformation related to it.
Doug:
I just re-read the entire thread - I can be a glutton for punishment at times - and I do not see the bashing. I see lots of hard questions, many of which still have not been answered. Personally, I put in an effort to search out information on Renatus with the objective of being able to make an informed decision. As stated in an earlier post, the corporate website was of little assistance - I found broad strokes of areas to be discussed, but still have been unable to find a detailed curriculum or course syllabus.
As someone not in the know, how do I verify the credentials of these "successful investors"? CVs are not published on the corporate website. My efforts to independently research the names from the website and those brought up in this thread have yielded more questionable conduct and past associations with companies/organisations found to be wanting in integrity and moral conduct when it came to their Clients monies then it did actual credentials to be teaching real estate material. If I cannot verify the quality of the educational product nor the instructors, how can I arrive at an informed decision?
I've tried to look at Renatus as an option, but I cannot find any meat in the broth. Why is everything cloaked away from the public? There is nothing proprietary about real estate education, so why is it so difficult to find a curriculum and detailed course syllabi?
Since you are signing off, I would like to thank-you for being the more measured voice of Renatus on this thread. However, 15 to 16 pages later, plus an evening of research and I still do not know the scope of the curriculum nor the details of the various courses.
- Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Whee! Um, I'm holding out for airfare and hotel accommodations.
- Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes11y
Originally posted by @Roy N.:
I just re-read the entire thread - I can be a glutton for punishment at times - and I do not see the bashing. I see lots of hard questions, many of which still have not been answered.
See my challenge above...I'm also curious where Renatus has been bashed.
Despite Doug and David's claims of being threatened, harassed and defamed, I can't find a single instance...
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
In what forum did you post info about your training without getting "TOS'd" (posts deleted for violating Terms of Service)?
- Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes11y
"However, 15 to 16 pages later, plus an evening of research and I still do not know the scope of the curriculum nor the details of the various courses."
Well, forum terms of service prohibit posting links to external websites. So, let me just say Google MyRenatus to find the website. The info you seek is there. Persistence will be key.
