Financing a Renovation

Financing a Renovation

Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes

I’m looking for creative, low cost, ways to finance a renovation. Fortunately I purchased my four-family property all cash, but now I’ve very little left over for the renovation. I was considering the below strategy and would love to hear your thoughts:

  • Home Equity Line of Credit ("HELOC") to pay the monthly construction bills
  • Credit cards with a 0% APR for 12+ months
  • Once the renovation is complete, take out a 30-year mortgage based on the post-renovation value and use the proceeds to pay off the HELOC and credit cards

What are your thoughts? Is there an issue with this strategy that I’m missing?

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Andrew PostellPro Member
Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
6y

@Cian R. sorry, I was thinking you already had an option here but I understand your roadblocks here. Aa small, local lender will be your HIGHEST probability of success when trying to find "Line of Credit" lenders on investment properties. The unfortunate thing here is that investment properties foreclose at a higher rate than primary homes so many banks just don't want the exposure to this. But it is 100% possible to find but you have to put in the time or at least know someone that ALREADY has the connection. Here's my 3 suggestions:

  1. Post in the Bigger Pockets STATE forum that you are looking in. There are usually some good, local investors that monitor those forums. Maybe they already have a suggestion or recommendation for you? Certainly try there.
  2. Visit your local REI groups. There are many groups that meet across the country. Some post here on the Bigger Pockets Marketplace. Many post on meetup.com. Networking is always a great practice and you never know who you might meet there and what good information they have to share. Would certainly recommend visiting if one is close to you.
  3. Calling - and then there's this option. Which is what I had to do. I had to call about 200 lenders (no exaggeration) to learn of 4 lenders who did this and I have some tips. First, when calling banks target the smallest most community based banks you can first. If you have never heard of them, and they have one location - that's a good candidate. No big, national, publicly traded banks will do this loan type. Second, try to ask for "LINES OF CREDIT" instead of "HELOC". I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs but some banks write HELOCs in their residential department....which won't write Investment Properties. And that residential department will often not speak to the commercial department. So they'll just say "sorry, we don't do it"....not even knowing that they really do! So if you ask for a "line of credit on an investment property" that should get you to the COMMERCIAL division. That's the section of the bank we want. Now, most of these smaller banks may only have 12 employees or so. So don't get frustrated if they don't return your call or aren't in the office. Just call back and be friendly. Maybe play dumb a little "I don't know if I'm in the right place..." "I'm sorry to disturb you, you may not be the right person for this....", etc. Maybe someone can get you to the right person. Again, be prepared to call A LOT

Now, I need to provide further information here too.....but I want to create another post here...

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  • Kerry BairdPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    The HELOC and credit cards now, and refinance once renovation is completed, is workable, as long as you don't get your DTI too high. Watch the DTI, and make payments on your cards twice a month. My lender recommended that to boost FICO scores. :D

  • Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    Thanks Kerry! I could split the minimum monthly payment over two separate payments per month. And yes, that's great advice - the key here is to ensure that the DTI stays in balance.

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Cian R. since this is the BRRRR method forum....what's your plan on the REFINANCE step? Meaning, if you have to pay closing costs on your refinance step...why not just get a 30 year fixed renovation loan now?

  • Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

    @Cian R. since this is the BRRRR method forum....what's your plan on the REFINANCE step? Meaning, if you have to pay closing costs on your refinance step...why not just get a 30 year fixed renovation loan now?

    Hi Andrew,

    That is a great question. I am considering simply taking out the 30-year fixed renovation loan now instead of doing the HELOC. But I ultimately want to take out a 30-year mortgage on the POST-renovation value. And my understanding is that the closing costs on a HELOC are substantially lower than a 30-year renovation loan. So rather than pay closing costs on:

    1 - A 30-year renovation loan now

    2 - A 30-year mortgage at refi post-renovation 

    I would instead pay closing costs on: 

    1 - A HELOC

    2 - A 30-year mortgage at refi post-renovation

    What do you think? Is there something that I'm overlooking?

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Cian R. ah, so if you got a 30 year renovation loan now...you don't have to refinance later. It's based on the ARV of the property so you would not have 2 refinance steps. But using the Line of Credit option is also fine, especially if you need to pay back your purchase money. If you have trouble finding a lender that will do that check back in and we can brainstorm some more. Thanks!

  • Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

    @Cian R. ah, so if you got a 30 year renovation loan now...you don't have to refinance later. It's based on the ARV of the property so you would not have 2 refinance steps. But using the Line of Credit option is also fine, especially if you need to pay back your purchase money. If you have trouble finding a lender that will do that check back in and we can brainstorm some more. Thanks!

    Thanks Andrew, I didn't realize that the 30-year renovation loan is based on the ARV. That would definitely seem to save me a step. Is there typically an option to do interest-only payments for up to 12 months?

    One upside to doing the HELOC, if I can qualify, is that I can use it to help fund future projects after this current project has been paid down.

  • Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Kerry Baird @Andrew Postell

    I spoke to six different lenders and I seem to be hitting the following roadblocks when it comes to a HELOC:

    • 1. Property must be fully livable / already living there 
    • 2. HELOC is based on the purchase price, not the appraised value, for the first 12 months following the purchase
    • 3. Won't lend against a property held under an LLC (need to speak to their small businesses department)

    It seems that a Rehab loan may be better suited for what I'm trying to accomplish. So I will have to start researching that route. As Andrew pointed out, this will mean that I only have to do one round of financing and not two (HELOC and mortgage). My first question is if they will do interest-only payments for the first 12 months with a 30-year rehab loan.

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Cian R. sorry, I was thinking you already had an option here but I understand your roadblocks here. Aa small, local lender will be your HIGHEST probability of success when trying to find "Line of Credit" lenders on investment properties. The unfortunate thing here is that investment properties foreclose at a higher rate than primary homes so many banks just don't want the exposure to this. But it is 100% possible to find but you have to put in the time or at least know someone that ALREADY has the connection. Here's my 3 suggestions:

    1. Post in the Bigger Pockets STATE forum that you are looking in. There are usually some good, local investors that monitor those forums. Maybe they already have a suggestion or recommendation for you? Certainly try there.
    2. Visit your local REI groups. There are many groups that meet across the country. Some post here on the Bigger Pockets Marketplace. Many post on meetup.com. Networking is always a great practice and you never know who you might meet there and what good information they have to share. Would certainly recommend visiting if one is close to you.
    3. Calling - and then there's this option. Which is what I had to do. I had to call about 200 lenders (no exaggeration) to learn of 4 lenders who did this and I have some tips. First, when calling banks target the smallest most community based banks you can first. If you have never heard of them, and they have one location - that's a good candidate. No big, national, publicly traded banks will do this loan type. Second, try to ask for "LINES OF CREDIT" instead of "HELOC". I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs but some banks write HELOCs in their residential department....which won't write Investment Properties. And that residential department will often not speak to the commercial department. So they'll just say "sorry, we don't do it"....not even knowing that they really do! So if you ask for a "line of credit on an investment property" that should get you to the COMMERCIAL division. That's the section of the bank we want. Now, most of these smaller banks may only have 12 employees or so. So don't get frustrated if they don't return your call or aren't in the office. Just call back and be friendly. Maybe play dumb a little "I don't know if I'm in the right place..." "I'm sorry to disturb you, you may not be the right person for this....", etc. Maybe someone can get you to the right person. Again, be prepared to call A LOT

    Now, I need to provide further information here too.....but I want to create another post here...

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Cian R. One thing I forgot to ask in the beginning...is this your primary home?  Or an investment property?

    1. Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
      6y

      @Andrew Postell it will be my primary residence once the renovation is complete. It's a four-family but I will keep one of the units and rent the other three. 

    2. Andrew PostellPro Member
      Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
      6y

      @Cian R. ok, then the Fannie Mae HomeStyle might be the best use for this property. And yes, any HELOC on your primary home would need that home to be livable. I still don't mind them using the purchase price though, it sounds like you just need a portion of what you purchased for the property anyway, so maybe that is ok. Is the home livable right now?

      Oh, and in most states you get some tax benefits for living in your home. If you put your primary home in a LLC...you might lose those. Unless there is some specific benefit to you having it in the LLC, I would just leave it in your name.

    3. Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
      6y

      @Andrew Postell the problem with basing the HELOC, or any loan, on the purchase price is that it was purchased at foreclosure for a 30% discount. And I need the same amount again to complete the renovation (100% of the purchase price or 70% of the pre-renovation value). That's what is making it tricky.

    4. Andrew PostellPro Member
      Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
      6y

      @Cian R. so you are saying you need 100% of the value of the property to get the financing you need to complete the rehab?  Do I have that right?  Would you mind giving some numbers on this?

      • How much is the home worth currently?
      • How much renovation do you need currently?
      • What is the value of the property after renovation?

      Thanks!

    5. Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
      6y

      @Andrew Postell using simple numbers, but keeping the metrics constant, the deal looks something like this:

      • Purchase: $100,000
      • BRV: $150,000
      • Renovation: $100,000
      • ARV: $250,000
    6. Andrew PostellPro Member
      Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
      6y

      @Cian R. Ok, $200,000 for a $250,000 property.  That's a reasonable deal. You can structure this a few different ways:

      1. Get a Standard Fannie Mae HomeStyle loan - this will allow you to finance JUST the renovation costs into the loan with a 30 year fixed rate loan. You won't have to refinance but you would have a loan of $105,000 or so with this option.  In order to get "cash out" going this route you would need to refinance AGAIN after the renovations are complete.  Unfortunately, Fannie doesn't allow a renovation loan to also be a cash out loan.  So you would have to do it with 2 seperate transactions.

      2. File a Lien, then Renovation Loan - What you would do here is file a lien from your LLC in the amount of your purchase price, then use the renovation loan to 75% of the ARV. 75% = $187,500. So you would receive back $82,000 or so, and the $100,000 renovation is included in your new loan. 30 year fixed rate. I think this is the best route with the lowest closing costs.

      3. Commercial Loans - you might find a commercial loan that could grant you cash out and renovations...I just don't know of any that would do that but it might be possible to find.  This route would have higher closing costs, or a higher rate though.  But might be worth searching for if you cannot qualify for Fannie/Freddie type of money.

      Hope this helps but feel free to ask any other questions. Thanks!

    7. Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 22 votes
      6y
    8. Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 40 posts · 16 votes
      3y

      @Cian R.  Andrew provided some really great points above.  Another way to fund renovations is through revenue based financing.  This is ideal for those that already own 3+ long term rental units. Your original post is several years old at this point. So, it's quite possible (likely??) that you've grown your portfolio.  

      With this approach, you'd trade a portion of your future rental income on your existing investment properties in exchange for upfront cash.  Doesn't count as debt and you don't give up any equity.  Funds are typically used for either renovations or for the downpayment on your next rental property.  Duration is usually shorter term - 12 to 24 months.  

      Happy to chat if this looks like a good route for your situation now.  

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