3rd out of state property - closed!

3rd out of state property - closed!

Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2015 · 174 posts · 115 votes

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $34,900
Cash invested: $50,000

3rd property in Memphis closed today! Bought $34,900 cash, have contractor quote $10-15k to renovate, comps/ARV $70-80k, $900/mo rent

This last month was our first time actually visiting the state (from WA), as we were under contract for a larger deal that fell out on due diligence. Honestly, I think buying out of state is way easier because you're forced to outsource! (this is our 5th property/8th door total)

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Returns, low price point

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS listing day-of, came in low and was accepted - it was clear from what the too low prior, selling for less than they paid, and poor property condition that this other out-of-state investor just wanted out!

How did you finance this deal?

Our own cash

Lessons learned? Challenges?

The unit is listed as 3/2 but had at one time been a mirrored duplex. There's opportunity to leave the layout 3/2, move some walls to make a 4/2, or re-convert to duplex. All houses on this street are nice except the direct neighbor - we will try to tactfully market to them to get them to sell to us now or in the future

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Aaron Bloodworth is our agent, he works mostly with investors and he's awesome :)

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Rental Property Investor · Western Washington · Member since 2018 · 151 posts · 60 votes
7y

@Rachel Luoto Congratulations that's awesome! I just had my third long distance multi family deal fall through at the last moment because of what I found during my due diligence contingency but I'm still hunting for that next one. As a fellow Western Washington investor your (very well structured) story hits home. Stoked for you :)  Keep kicking backside!

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  • Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2015 · 174 posts · 115 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Michinori Kaneko:

    Congrats! sounds like a pretty sweet deal. what are your expected cashflow on this property? Are you looking to refinance? Looking forward to before and after pictures, if possible!

     That's a great idea, I do have before pics so I could update it when it's done :) CF 200-300/mo after repairs. Not looking to refinance right away, I often use the free and clear properties as collateral so I'd only need to refi if I needed actual cash. 

  • Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2015 · 174 posts · 115 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ryan Naylor:
    Originally posted by @Rachel Luoto:

    Investment Info:

    Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

    Purchase price: $34,900

    Cash invested: $50,000

    3rd property in Memphis closed today! Bought $34,900 cash, have contractor quote $10-15k to renovate, comps/ARV $70-80k, $900/mo rent

    This last month was our first time actually visiting the state (from WA), as we were under contract for a larger deal that fell out on due diligence. Honestly, I think buying out of state is way easier because you're forced to outsource! (this is our 5th property/8th door total)

    What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

    Returns, low price point

    How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

    MLS listing day-of, came in low and was accepted - it was clear from what the too low prior, selling for less than they paid, and poor property condition that this other out-of-state investor just wanted out!

    How did you finance this deal?

    Our own cash

    Lessons learned? Challenges?

    The unit is listed as 3/2 but had at one time been a mirrored duplex. There's opportunity to leave the layout 3/2, move some walls to make a 4/2, or re-convert to duplex. All houses on this street are nice except the direct neighbor - we will try to tactfully market to them to get them to sell to us now or in the future

    Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

    Aaron Bloodworth is our agent, he works mostly with investors and he's awesome :)

    Just curious of your intent on this property, Are you planning on a refi to pull your cash back out? or being that you paid with your own funds are you planning on just letting it cash flow without the debt?

     Hey Ryan! I could refi but not planning to soon, if anything I'd want to refi them all in a blanket loan down the line, or 1031 them :) On turnkey websites I'm seeing houses in the 80s getting the same rents I am, idk how they are projecting cashflow but I call  BS! 

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    @Rachel Luoto @Rachel Luoto Congrats on the purchase. I want to be happy for you but I have to be honest, nearly every sentence in your post caused concern, and my alarm bells are ringing at a deafening level on this one. Sounds like the previous out of state owner was losing money and really wanted out. Doesn’t that make you cautious as an out of state owner yourself? What’s the plan to avoid being in the same situation the seller was in? Sorry to be the voice of reason, I just can’t ignore my gut feeling that a sub $35k property with desperate out of state seller and eager out of state buyer just seems like a recycled disaster. Also I’m afraid your numbers are very aggressive for example the rehab budget is extremely light for that scope of work no matter what part of the country the house is in. New windows, large water damage/leak repair, new floors, new water heater, two bathroom renos, paint throughout and general repairs and fixing all the usual make-ready stuff etc. on a $15k budget? Not happening even if you do all the work yourself. I would double that rehab budget or even triple it knowing that unexpected items are always hiding in properties like this once walls are open. Also renting a $35k property for $900/mo rings some alarm bells when $900 is more typical for a 3/2 worth $100k in Memphis. Sorry I want to be happy for you, this just isn’t adding up. Even if your numbers are accurate (I hope you’re using 50% maintenance/repairs and 20% vacancy rate on a property like this) and you end up getting $200-300/mo. CF, I don’t see this property being a money maker long term I’m afraid to say. That’s not a lot of gross profit to cover cap ex on a house. Don’t invest that money elsewhere, put it in an emergency fund for this property because you will likely need it. Honestly I would wait and see how this plays out for at least a few years to see if it makes any money at all before buying any more of these. I hope it works out for you, just gotta call it like I see it. Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    7y

    @Rachel Luoto Congrats! I completely about buying OOS forcing us to delegate, and therefore learn to be business owners and build more scalable investment strategies from the start :)

  • Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2016 · 549 posts · 286 votes
    7y

    @Rachel Luoto  What zip code is the property located in?

  • Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2015 · 174 posts · 115 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Steve K.:

    @Rachel Luoto @Rachel Luoto Congrats on the purchase. I want to be happy for you but I have to be honest, nearly every sentence in your post caused concern, and my alarm bells are ringing at a deafening level on this one. Sounds like the previous out of state owner was losing money and really wanted out. Doesn’t that make you cautious as an out of state owner yourself? What’s the plan to avoid being in the same situation the seller was in? Sorry to be the voice of reason, I just can’t ignore my gut feeling that a sub $35k property with desperate out of state seller and eager out of state buyer just seems like a recycled disaster. Also I’m afraid your numbers are very aggressive for example the rehab budget is extremely light for that scope of work no matter what part of the country the house is in. New windows, large water damage/leak repair, new floors, new water heater, two bathroom renos, paint throughout and general repairs and fixing all the usual make-ready stuff etc. on a $15k budget? Not happening even if you do all the work yourself. I would double that rehab budget or even triple it knowing that unexpected items are always hiding in properties like this once walls are open. Also renting a $35k property for $900/mo rings some alarm bells when $900 is more typical for a 3/2 worth $100k in Memphis. Sorry I want to be happy for you, this just isn’t adding up. Even if your numbers are accurate (I hope you’re using 50% maintenance/repairs and 20% vacancy rate on a property like this) and you end up getting $200-300/mo. CF, I don’t see this property being a money maker long term I’m afraid to say. That’s not a lot of gross profit to cover cap ex on a house. Don’t invest that money elsewhere, put it in an emergency fund for this property because you will likely need it. Honestly I would wait and see how this plays out for at least a few years to see if it makes any money at all before buying any more of these. I hope it works out for you, just gotta call it like I see it. Good luck!

     Thanks for your comment Steve, I appreciate you taking the time! I'm gonna PM you to see if anything helps add up more. Dissenting opinions are too often dismissed in the world today, I want to always be humble and open to instruction!

  • Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2015 · 174 posts · 115 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jason Hopkins:

    @Rachel Luoto  What zip code is the property located in?

     38112 :)

  • Investor · Lehi, UT · Member since 2015 · 435 posts · 300 votes
    7y

    Nice work congrats on snagging this deal up! 

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