Real Estate Agent · Minot, ND · Member since 2021 · 131 posts · 223 votes
According to Pew, "investors bought 24% of all single-family houses sold nationwide last year, up from 15% to 16% annually going back to 2012, according to a Stateline analysis of data provided by CoreLogic, a California-based data analytics firm. That share dipped only slightly in the first five months of 2022 to 22%."
Let's be honest. It's bad for communities. Owning a home creates a pride in your ownership like no other. People who own their homes, whether they are million dollar properties or trailers will do more to upkeep the property, add curb appeal, continue regular maintenance, and care for their community as a whole in the long term due to their investment in the area.
We are moving toward a rental model on pretty much everything you can put your hands on. Don't forget Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forums infamous comment. "You will own nothing and you will be happy."
The best we can do as real estate owners and investors is to care for our properties, and for our tenants as best as we can, because massive corporate landlords sure won't.
As homeownership becomes less attainable I think that lower income individuals will remain renters for life which is unfortunate because of the clear wealth disparity between homeowners and renters. This is especially true in HCOL areas such as the West Coast. Only being required to put 3.5% down doesn't matter much if a starter home is $400,000 to $700,000 and is completely unaffordable to those trying to enter the market from the lower to middle lower economic status. I do not think that broadly individuals will not want to purchase or own a home, I think it will simply not be possible for many without the help of family. I do not foresee housing prices coming down in any significant way in the long term as we still have a large inventory shortage. My buddy is an analyst and recently sent me a report he had written and this is an interest paragraph from his analysis.
"There is still a huge housing supply problem in the United States given 37 million people between the ages of 24-37 don't own a home. This is because 27.1 million homes were built between 2000-2009 but the Great Recession derailed the pace of home building by almost 80%. Only 5.8 million homes were built in the United States between 2010-2019 by comparison. The homes for this next generation of buyers were never even built. Ultimately the last housing crash will prevent another actual crash from occurring in the United States based on the sheer lack of supply. Even if mortgage rates hit new highs, it won't fix the supply problem. It will just temporarily reduce demand which is what the market is already experiencing. If mortgage rates materially drop from here, it's not outside the realm of possibility we could go back to bidding wars. Certainly some buyer incentives, such as closing cost credits and seller rate buydowns, could start to dry up as more buyers enter the market."
In short, it won't be by choice for the majority of individuals who do not purchase a home, they simply won't have access to the market because of their personal financial position. I have heard Grant argue that people WANT to be renters, some do, I don't believe the majority of the population want to be renters.
I don't think it's a good or bad for communities but as an investor that bought a SFH this year I'm part of it. The term "renter nation" bugs because I rented houses for 8 years before sacrificing, saving, and buying my first distressed dump of a property.
Let's be honest. It's bad for communities. Owning a home creates a pride in your ownership like no other. People who own their homes, whether they are million dollar properties or trailers will do more to upkeep the property, add curb appeal, continue regular maintenance, and care for their community as a whole in the long term due to their investment in the area.
We are moving toward a rental model on pretty much everything you can put your hands on. Don't forget Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forums infamous comment. "You will own nothing and you will be happy."
The best we can do as real estate owners and investors is to care for our properties, and for our tenants as best as we can, because massive corporate landlords sure won't.
Grant Cardone says things for attention, so I tend to ignore what he says, but there is probably some truth to it. Homeownership rates might drop a few % over the next years, but calling it a rent nation might be taking it a bit far.
Data from CoreLogic is solid, but the way the measure "investors" is really by looking at cash closings without financing. We have coached a lot of our first time home buyers last year to use family funds to make a cash offer and then refi, so the influences the data a little. What the data also does not capture is how many investor properties have been sold with a profit.
There are pros and cons like everything else. You have a group of people who want to spend their money on experiences and would rather rent than have the responsibilities that come with home ownership (I work with a few people like that who are in their 40s). I don't think there is anything wrong with renting. I think what matters is you are happy where you are.
There is pride in ownership for some people, but not others. Similarly there are some tenants who take pride in their home.
Rentals serve a purpose as people move around and don't want to own a home or they are starting out, moved to a new town and want to get to know the area.
Prices have gone up over the long term, but so too have wages. Recent housing increases in the last few years were driven by the low interest rates.
This topic is interesting because we now have the generation of people that do not want to own but will still invest. Then you have cities like NY, where rent is $2000 a month and mortgages are $4000 - so I think there will definitely be an increase in renters but the rent is so high that there will be a decrease in cash flow outside of government voucher programs. Everyone will soon need assistance because wages are not keeping up at all. I can’t speak for other markets, but NY it will be even hard from my kids and nieces after me to purchase a home unless I lay the blueprint and the knowledge for them to get the opportunity. Long gone are the houses for $200-300K in NY.
I agree with all the above posts and I do think renting will become the norm for a large percetage of the population. Especially when you consider hedge funds are buying SFH's which should be illegal (in my opinion). I just want to add one thing. I think over the next 10 years we are gonna have a huge pushback against STR's in residential areas, even greater than we see now. I agree renters take less care of a home, property, and neighborhood than an owner does. If this lower care/respect for a neighborhood occurs you will have local governments getting rid of them, in some areas I think it will be completely removed. Everything moves to one end of the spectrum and then swings back, eventually (hopefully) landing in the middle. I think we are currently on the far side of the spectrum and homeowners in neighborhoods are gonna fight back if it starts impacting their neighborhoods (already seeing this with STR restrictions). If this does happen, it will cause a big change in the investment market, owners will either have to move to MTR, LTR or sell. I'm not saying it's a guarantee but there has to be a change. In my heart I think people still want to own their home and build a life.
I don't agree with everything Cardone says as whatever he states typically tends to lean toward what benefits him/what he wants to happen, but I agree with him in this instance.
Investors are buying and new build has been lagging for many years.
Is it a good thing for communities? It depends.
If the investors are greedy slum lords it's not a good thing, but if they're solid investors who want to improve the property (and therefore the neighborhood) then the neighborhood will benefit.
Of course, one could argue the improved property is so the landlord can get a higher rent, which some would argue as a negative, but the community and neighbors will benefit due to the fact the property is improved and the tenant pool is likely better due to it being a nicer, more expensive property.
Is the US becoming a "renter nation"? This is old news, very old news, the answer is yes, 100%, and the US has been on this path for years now, it's just now finally hitting a point where awareness is coming public of such.
Is this good for communities? Well that's a bit like asking chicken or steak isn't it, it's an opinion question and persons opinion of such will vary depending on how it impacts them.
Is Walmart good for communities?
This shift that we are in for housing compilation, yes it's very similar to the emergence of Walmart in retail, and how it reshaped everything. This is a corporatization of the SFR (Single Family Rental) market. It's a very big market, trillions upon trillions in real estate, so the shift will be, and has been, many years in the making but it is absolutely happening and ain't nothing anyone can do to stop it.
This narrative is somehow gaining traction, but is not supported by strong evidence. One just needs to look at the home ownership rate in the United States, and it tells a very clear story. It's not a mystery, you can see for yourself that this is not the case.
Home Ownership in The United States Over TIme
Homeownership in the US has stayed between 63 and 69% over the last 55 years. As of the last Census reading its about 66% -- right smack dab in the middle of that range, and trending upward at least as of 2021 (might be down in 2022). It is true that the share of investor purchases is up -- and if that continues, it could impact homeownership in the US but that hasn't happened yet and the idea that we're a renter nation at this point is just not accurate.
I believe the main change will be that people will migrate to the areas where they can afford to buy. Home ownership is an innate drive for lots of people. A lot of these millennials will wake up in a few years and start scrambling to find places to buy......IMHO...
This is what I've done.. or rather, I've simply avoided moving to areas with stupid prices at all. For example, silicon valley.
Yes, the jobs there pay more.. but when it costs several million to get the kind of house I'm used to picking up for under 500 here, those jobs are actually a step down.
With the current interest rates and recession coming it's tough for people to buy, we are in a shortage of rentals and need investors to provide more inventory
He is absolutely right!!!! The flaws in our current monetary system is promoting all this. Affordable in anything will continue to be an issue unless we level out the monetary playing field.
Looking at demographics, do you see baby boomers selling their high value homes and moving to cheaper areas, especially moving from places like Boston to Florida, or NC?
Grant Cardone says a lot of things… like don’t own your residence and rent and basically “invest” with him. With everything he says I chew the meat and spit the bone. Same is true of Kiyosaki or Ramsey. Getting back to the point I would say, sort of. CNBC just had a headline that investor purchases are down 30%. One would think retail buyers would jump on this window of opportunity where sellers will pay closing costs etc … locally, I’ve seen a lot of properties that used to be rentals make their way to the market during the peak of the last couple years. Not saying that is a reflection of all macro trends, but it is for me an indicator that there are a lot of factors making ownership obtainable for the average joe.
@Dave Meyer Exactly and if you look at the current data % of homes bought by investors just dropped dramatically. Over the past 2-3 years especially we have seen a buying spree for investors of rental properties. I think this craze has not only slowed down but to some extent will work in reverse. Companies like BlackRock do not look at property the way you or I do they treat it as a stock. You probably have the number on the top of your head, but I believe the avg CAP over pandemic was 4.5-5%? If they can pick up a 1yr UST and make 4.75% and not hassle with tenants, property management etc. they will probably take that option. Not to mention it is a cash like instrument making it extremely liquid. Even though they bought these properties with "cash". That cash was most likely margin. With exposure to FTX and the avg bear market in stocks bringing the S&P to around 3k-3.2k, I think much worse based on yield curves, they may have margin calls and will need to liquidate their positions. This is speculation because no one knows how much leverage is in the system.
The other place you will find supply is through AirBnB. I have been saying it over the past 2 years and over the past couple of months it is becoming more evident some investors put the cart in front of the horse. 50% of all AirBnB's were bought over the last 2 years and I would be willing to bet none of them work as LTR. With the community seeing less bookings and going into recession I expect to see more pain to these owners and we will see how long they can hold out.
Even just these two factors will increase supply and if rates stay high, which once again based on history and yield curves I expect to fall, the affordability will decrease the demand for housing. Even if the FED cuts rates you can look back in history and find that is not a good thing. The markets and economy fall after the rate cut.
Looking at demographics, do you see baby boomers selling their high value homes and moving to cheaper areas, especially moving from places like Boston to Florida, or NC?
Many will, not all. Most people I know are relocating...but mostly due to politics, not money, the money is a bonus. You can already see the Red states growing and adding population, house seats and electoral college votes. It will be interesting to watch this country change.....IMHO.
This isn’t a good thing for communities becoming a renters nation as housing continues to be more and more unaffordable. But great for investors. I invest in RE because it’s more predictable than the stock market. Residents in the neighborhoods I invest in are probably ok with me because I fix my properties up and take great care of them and my tenants. But let’s face it, nobody wants to live in a neighborhood being over taken by rentals with tenants that most likely don’t take as much pride in these properties as home owners do. So good for investors to make a buck, but bad for the overall neighborhood due to renters taking over the hood.