Good Cause Eviction Law Passed - 3 Things You Need To Know

Good Cause Eviction Law Passed - 3 Things You Need To Know

Matthew DrouinPro Member
Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes

Unfortunately Good Cause Eviction passed last night in the city of Rochester, NY.

I want to thank Council Members Lashay Harris and Michael Patterson for doing the right thing and voting “NO” on this largely performative legislation…

that will only TEMPORARILY protect a small handful of city residents living in EXTREME under market rental units…

But it will have broad and adverse negative consequences for the WHOLE community.

(So please thank them and also support them 💰💸💵 because their vote was not popular… but it was right)

It’s not the end of the world but it will fundamentally change how you run your real estate housing business.

✅ First and foremost, holdover evictions will be illegal. Meaning you cannot just evict a tenant because their lease has expired.

You will have to build sufficient evidence admissible in court and to the satisfaction of a judge to prove good cause to get a warrant of eviction.

Many housing providers kept high risk tenants on month to month leases so that if the tenant stopped paying rent, you could simply give them a notice to vacate and recover possession of the rental unit that way.

The reason for this methodology was because the HSTPA of 2019 passed in NYS made it extremely onerous and costly for housing providers to evict due to non payment.

That method under good cause will be eliminated.

So you can still keep tenants month to month but you will need to document the lease violation due to nonpayment rigorously.

How many times and how late is “good” enough?

I guess we will find out when the implementation of the new law occurs and then is tested in court.

Nevertheless, written documentation will be your friend.

✅ Secondly, good cause has a max cap on yearly rental increases at a certain margin above CPI or 10%, whichever is less.

For those of you who own stabilized, high quality housing like we do, this shouldn’t be a problem.

But instead of keeping rents flat because you are a nice person or increasing just a little bit, you could get yourself in trouble when it comes to funding future major repairs and capital expenditures.

As long as you are increasing to what the market will bear, you will be in good shape.

Also if you are looking at purchasing blighted, dilapidated housing with the intent of raising rents and financing improvements to the property, you will have to take this into consideration and buy accordingly and on in place rents not projected rents.

On the implementation side, however that pans out, you might be able to get these necessary rent increases to finance repairs but you may need to go to housing court in order to get the green light but we are just not sure at this point and remains to be seen.

✅ Thirdly, in regard to objectionable tenancy and nuisance caused by disruptive tenants, you will need to document these violations with undeniable evidence.

Because police reports are not usually able to be procured due to disturbances like drug trafficking or domestic violence, you’ll need to take matters into your own hands on producing that documentation.

I recommend getting security cameras installed in all common areas and outside your properties.

I’ve used SimpliSafe security cameras but you’ll need to install WiFi service at your properties so that you can maintain recordings in the event of violations and add to your lease that any tampering with said cameras constitutes a lease violation as well.

This is still developing and once we get further clarity, we will host a round table with legal experts on how to best protect our properties and residents.

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Greg ScottPro Member
Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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Good post. New news for me.  Thankfully I have no property in NY.

I loved this quote which shows just how clueless people are about housing issues:

“Housing instability is at the root of so many problems facing our city, such as exacerbating homelessness and hunger, failing to meet our children’s educational needs, and undermining public safety,” said the CWTU in a statement. “Passing Good Cause is not only a step toward tackling these systemic issues—it is the vital foundation to any meaningful action.”

In a free market economy, how will those providing housing react to a law that forces them to house non-paying tenants for free?  Any rational landlord will double or triple their screening efforts because nobody wants to accidentally put a deadbeat in their property.  Any prospective resident with bad credit or a prior eviction is going to have an impossible time finding a place to live.  

I predict this bill will increase homelessness in Rochester NY or will force people to move outside of the city to find housing.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    Good post. New news for me.  Thankfully I have no property in NY.

    I loved this quote which shows just how clueless people are about housing issues:

    “Housing instability is at the root of so many problems facing our city, such as exacerbating homelessness and hunger, failing to meet our children’s educational needs, and undermining public safety,” said the CWTU in a statement. “Passing Good Cause is not only a step toward tackling these systemic issues—it is the vital foundation to any meaningful action.”

    In a free market economy, how will those providing housing react to a law that forces them to house non-paying tenants for free?  Any rational landlord will double or triple their screening efforts because nobody wants to accidentally put a deadbeat in their property.  Any prospective resident with bad credit or a prior eviction is going to have an impossible time finding a place to live.  

    I predict this bill will increase homelessness in Rochester NY or will force people to move outside of the city to find housing.

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 576 posts · 358 votes
    1y

    @Matthew Drouin  @Greg Scott

    Matthew, thank you for your great work here in the Rochester area. Greg, nice observation . . . "Any rational landlord will double or triple their screening efforts because nobody wants to accidentally put a deadbeat in their property."

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    @Carini Rochester I agree with Greg but to be clear Good Cause does not require a landlord to provide free housing, it just forces them go through the onerous and expensive and lengthy process of actually going for non payment eviction instead of a hold over proceeding, when the landlord knows that a monetary judgement is worthless and just wants possession of their rental unit back so they can fix it back up and rent it again hopefully to a great tenant.

    Also the problem with all this is that from 2019 to now, landlords have gotten used to having economically or physically vacant units and have priced that risk in.  So I'm seeing units being held back for longer... sometimes months to find a qualified bulletproof applicant.

  • Finger Lakes NY · Member since 2024 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    1y

    Matthew, do l understand correctly that this affects only properties within the Rochester city limits?

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    @Tim Horning correct but Ithaca already passed good cause so get ahead of it by having conversations with your town council members before their opinions on it become ossified

  • Stephanie JacobsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Ithaca, NY · Member since 2016 · 427 posts · 323 votes
    1y

    Ithaca usually seems to have good intentions but this one is just short-sighted. Already, it's pushed out-of-town investors to focus on student housing where GC has less of an impact. So we restricted local landlords who rent to families, and soon the town will experience the very real repercussion of no one wanting to rent to families and professionals. Affordable housing? That's a whole other layer of risk. 

    Binghamton has it on the table now, but I'm hopeful it won't pass there. This kind of legislation discourages good investors and people who enjoy coming in and helping to stabilize communities. As is often the case, it harm low-income populations most. In cities desperate for revival (Rochester and Binghamton are high on that list), this is the wrong move. 

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    california has had statewide rent control on mf units for ~5 years.


    My experience with rent control is that in the near term rents increase more than without rent control. Rent control advocates will state it is greedy landlords because they have zero knowledge of basic economics. These rules have increased risks by making it difficult to get rid of poor tenants that pay their rent. The risks have increased. In addition lower rents will decrease the value of a property, not necessarily its appraised value, because no buyer will desire to pay retail for properties with reduced cash flow. So property rents must be kept near market to obtain full value at sale. The rents must be kept at full market so that a max rent increase may get the marginal tenant to leave. Finally, The rent control discourages further development, limiting supply which results in higher rents.

    So rents go up, but the rent control advocates are too uneducated on the economics of the rent control policy to see their role in the rent increase.

    Another consequence of rent control is no value in keeping the property as nice. I never paint, swap rugs (except flooding), or do other improvements on rent controlled units This can lead to blight.

    Who benefits from rent control? Some people may think it is those with below market rents but i question if this is true as these tenants will now get max allowed rent increases Would they have gotten such large rent increases in the absence of rent control. I suspect not. I believe the one benefits most besides the politicians are those low quality tenants that are hard on units, pay late, rough on the neighbors, etc. These low quality tenants are more difficult to get rid of. Without rent control i either raise their rent far above market rents so they give me notice (my preferred method) or i simply do not renew their lease. Now i am capped at the rent increases i can provide to encourage them to give notice (one reason it is important to keep rent near market rent) and i no longer have the option to not renew their lease.


    there is a reason spa very large percentage of economists are anti rent control. Besides understanding the benefits of a free market, they also understand the ramifications of rent control.

    good luck

  • Coty B LunnBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Binghamton, NY · Member since 2022 · 45 posts · 26 votes
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    Quote from @Stephanie Jacobson:

    Ithaca usually seems to have good intentions but this one is just short-sighted. Already, it's pushed out-of-town investors to focus on student housing where GC has less of an impact. So we restricted local landlords who rent to families, and soon the town will experience the very real repercussion of no one wanting to rent to families and professionals. Affordable housing? That's a whole other layer of risk. 

    Binghamton has it on the table now, but I'm hopeful it won't pass there. This kind of legislation discourages good investors and people who enjoy coming in and helping to stabilize communities. As is often the case, it harm low-income populations most. In cities desperate for revival (Rochester and Binghamton are high on that list), this is the wrong move. 




    I completely agree with you Steph!  I attended the City of Binghamton Council meeting to try and defend why good cause eviction is not the way to go!  Unfortunately, after speaking with City Council Members, it appears they are heavily leaning towards creating this new law.

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    @Stephanie Jacobson it will only encourage and reward slumlords who don’t put a dime into their properties or properties they buy because they charge cheap rent.

    These properties usually become so untenable that they become vacant and boarded up.

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    @Coty B Lunn seeing Rochester pass it will only further their resolve.  In impoverished cities like Rochester and Binghamton there is an income problem, not a cost of housing problem.

  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    All you have to do is look at Seattle. Common comments and complaints are things like....

    Wanted: a private landlord out there that will rent to me.

    Why are credit requirements so high?

    Let's eliminate credit screening.

    Where's all the private landlords?

    Why is a studio apt $1400?

    Where did all the houses go?

    Why is this lease 100 pages?

    Endless Prop Tax Housing levies to pay for low income housing.

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    @Henry T. its like despite what these policy makers do, housing costs and homelessness sky rockets.

    In NYS the HSTPA got passed.  Eviction costs surged and so landlords needed to increase rents to deal with vacancy and collection loss and increase their screening standards.

    Then the eviction moratorium.  Landlords eventually evicted and then this units were trashed so they ungraded them and increased them up to market rents.


    THEY are causing the problem


  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Matthew Drouin:

    @Henry T. its like despite what these policy makers do, housing costs and homelessness sky rockets.

    In NYS the HSTPA got passed.  Eviction costs surged and so landlords needed to increase rents to deal with vacancy and collection loss and increase their screening standards.

    Then the eviction moratorium.  Landlords eventually evicted and then this units were trashed so they ungraded them and increased them up to market rents.


    THEY are causing the problem


    Government IS the problem.
  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 339 votes
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    Update to anyone following this thread. Our local REIA is hosting our next meetup on January 9th and we are bringing in legal experts to help investors better understand the implications of Good Cause Eviction.

    Here's the link to register for your seat:

    https://www.ffreia.com/Events.aspx?ID=Legal-Update-Save-Mone...

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