Why is Lumber so Expensive? (Part 2 - Update)

Why is Lumber so Expensive? (Part 2 - Update)

John LyszczykPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Marine City, MI · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 230 votes

Hello All,

I thought this would be a good time to write a follow up post regarding the current state of rising lumber costs and the supply vs. demand issues the industry is experiencing. Below are a couple graphs that will give you visual context as to what is happening in the market right now. These figures are based on Per Thousand Board Feet and reflect historical composite pricing data. 

In regards to Lumber, we have once again entered new record highs as of recent and the pricing trend is showing no signs of slowing. Back in Sept/Oct 2020, most industry experts were anticipating some sort of correction around the beginning of 2021. That did not happen. In fact, quite the opposite occurred. SYP and SPF sawmills across the country still have not been able to keep pace with the growing demand. Inland species along with Hem-Fir and Doug-Fir are also in tight supply. Many economists and lumber traders are saying these price levels are here to stay for the next 6-12 months. In my last post, I noted how home builders and commercial contractors were experiencing sticker shock. Obviously, that is still happening today and many are now losing money on awarded projects that have rising material not yet procured. Unfortunately, these pricing levels are not going away. 

Plywood is also extremely tight on supply with a constant growth in demand. There is also an increase in demand for LVL products that use the same veneers that standard construction grade plywood is made out of. This has contributed to the lack of veneer availability for CDX plywood as the sawmills are attempting to optimize earnings by allocating veneer supply to the most profitable items. Moreover, the large companies and big box stores with massive buying power are the ones thriving right now. Most small independent lumber yards and building material suppliers are sitting out as the market is too volatile for them to play in. SYP plywood is still non-existent. Although import has been a consistent alternative for east coast SYP buyers, the demand has wiped out import plywood as well. Many of the larger plywood mills such as Freres, Emerald, Boise and West Fraser are pushing back lead times to Mid/Late-April (today is 02/23/21). Most mills have been going off-the-market intermittently in attempt to catch up to their order file. We are in new record highs that have never been seen before, and just like lumber, it appears these levels are here to stay for at least the next 6-12 months. 

With all that said, as real estate investors, developers and builders we can expect to be paying much higher costs on lumber and plywood for the remainder of the year. Unless there is a major shift in supply, we can anticipate the overall price levels to continue to inflate, so plan accordingly. Other building materials such as gypsum, steel and windows have also increased in price. If you're planning on doing any major renovations, a house flip, new build, etc., plan ahead and order material early. As we approach the "busy season" for the lumber industry, there will be even more supply restraints. I hope this provides some insight for those impacted by the price inflation. I will most likely update later this year.       
 

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Trevor M.:

Uneducated Economist on YouTube has good content on the lumber industry as someone working at a lumber supply house and keeping up with pricing trends and demand trends. He was mentioning that loggers had no shortage of trees to cut down(at least in Oregon), but were still experiencing a slowdown in work. It seems the only choke point is with the mills themselves as you mention and not the system as a whole.

Logging slows down in winter due to site conditions ( too wet)  and rocking miles of road is expensive.. so most logging here are summer shows.. and this has been a very wet winter..  they can log if its frozen though.. but not soaking wet.. 

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  • John LyszczykPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Marine City, MI · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 230 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jonathan Stone:

    @John Lyszczyk

    Although the dollar is weakening and many commodities are up, like lumber. There is also a hard push into alternatives.

    Anyone here have thoughts on alternative building materials. Or designs that reduce the use of lumber. The key to growth is usually innovation right?

     There are a few schools of thought here. As a society we are somewhat bound to steel, concrete and wood. I'd love to see more alternatives at similar price points. GCs often run cost comparisons between steel and wood to see which is cheaper. Both steel and wood fluctuate just like most commodities, so one may be more cost beneficial than the other depending on markets. A major cost to building is labor, and the building industry has developed efficiencies around using concrete, steel and wood. There would need to be significant automation and cost savings in labor for GCs to shift away from what they know from a skill's standpoint. 

    I don't think we will necessarily have a permanent substitute for wood, but there are developments in place to increase supply and drive costs down. State-of-the-art sawmills are being built as I type this. As far as building innovation, check out www.katerra.com. The trend for wood construction is on the rise. A recent report on the North American mass timber market projects that the number of mass timber buildings could double every two years. By 2034, there would be new demand for 12.9 billion board feet of lumber! There are currently over 500 mass timber buildings under construction or planned to be built. Pretty crazy!

  • Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 346 posts · 170 votes
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    @John Lyszczyk

    Thank you for putting this great report John!! Very helpful in understanding as to why new builds are so expensive

  • Jonathan StonePro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Camas, WA · Member since 2020 · 284 posts · 202 votes
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    Originally posted by @John Lyszczyk:
    Originally posted by @Jonathan Stone:

    @John Lyszczyk

    Although the dollar is weakening and many commodities are up, like lumber. There is also a hard push into alternatives.

    Anyone here have thoughts on alternative building materials. Or designs that reduce the use of lumber. The key to growth is usually innovation right?

     There are a few schools of thought here. As a society we are somewhat bound to steel, concrete and wood. I'd love to see more alternatives at similar price points. GCs often run cost comparisons between steel and wood to see which is cheaper. Both steel and wood fluctuate just like most commodities, so one may be more cost beneficial than the other depending on markets. A major cost to building is labor, and the building industry has developed efficiencies around using concrete, steel and wood. There would need to be significant automation and cost savings in labor for GCs to shift away from what they know from a skill's standpoint. 

    I don't think we will necessarily have a permanent substitute for wood, but there are developments in place to increase supply and drive costs down. State-of-the-art sawmills are being built as I type this. As far as building innovation, check out www.katerra.com. The trend for wood construction is on the rise. A recent report on the North American mass timber market projects that the number of mass timber buildings could double every two years. By 2034, there would be new demand for 12.9 billion board feet of lumber! There are currently over 500 mass timber buildings under construction or planned to be built. Pretty crazy!

    There is also the hurdle of building codes keeping up with available materials or new uses of old materials.  I know it has taken some time for the EV market and auto industry to adjust.  I remember the effort GM put into the first EV back in the 90s but decided they could make more with current tech without fight regulations to produce EVs.  Building codes are also typically slow to change.  Add to that builders and tradesman who don't want to see jobs automated or eliminated and it could be difficult to see alternate contruction. 

  • Contractor · MN · Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 7 votes
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    The biggest driver is Canadian lumber infrastructure under producing because of COVID. Most domestic lumber we are seeing is being brought in from Europe. The extra transportation costs are playing a large role in this 

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
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    There has always been that drive,, but things are slow to see major changes. 1st, the product needs to meet the code, or get a code change to allow it. Then you need to get the builder on board. If you as a buyer try to get me to use some new product, who is on the hook if it fails? Me. I don't like being the proving ground, and certainly don't want a call back or law suit because I installed some product that is now out of business and was a failure.  You also need to get banks on board. If you get foreclosed on, can they unload a house built with xyz? Maybe, but tried and true is an easier sale. The houses we are currently building are well made, solid, and efficient. They aren't cheap, but they have value. I would not be surprised if the chosen solution is a 40 or 50 year mortgage, which is obviously not a long term answer, either. 


    Originally posted by @Jonathan Stone:

    @John Lyszczyk

    Although the dollar is weakening and many commodities are up, like lumber. There is also a hard push into alternatives.

    Anyone here have thoughts on alternative building materials. Or designs that reduce the use of lumber. The key to growth is usually innovation right?

  • John LyszczykPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Marine City, MI · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 230 votes
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    Originally posted by @Cody Stegeman:

    The biggest driver is Canadian lumber infrastructure under producing because of COVID. Most domestic lumber we are seeing is being brought in from Europe. The extra transportation costs are playing a large role in this 

    You're right about Canadian producers. Supply is tight in Canada and they are leaning on our wood products right now. However, our mills are also out of wood. Import is non-existent for both panels and lumber. It's crazy...

  • Chris BlackburnPro Member
    Developer · Salem, OR · Member since 2014 · 193 posts · 110 votes
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    @John Lyszczyk @Jay Hinrichs   I have a solution if you are building out larger projects.  One of the companies I am part of is called Treenada.   We are battling the cost of lumber and reducing the specialist required for a project.  Our product works great if you are building out multiples of the same homes, building apartments or building assisted living.  We are also working on warehouse space and flex space.  Our costs are significantly lower than a lumber package with a time+labor savings as well.  I see lumber prices continue to rise faster than steel.  Our panelized system with EPS built into the walls offers better R values, faster construction, and lower cost.  We are expanding and at capacity but we are looking to add bigger projects, subdivisions, apartments/warehouses to our schedule for the next quarters.   Please contact me if you want to discuss more.  I know it is hard to move away from lumber but the economics are almost forcing and change and this change has a huge number of benefits. 

    We are located in Salem, Oregon.

    Chris Blackburn Clutch Industries,  www.treenada.us   

    (The pictures include a project in Bend)

  • John LyszczykPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Marine City, MI · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 230 votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris Blackburn:

    @John Lyszczyk @Jay Hinrichs   I have a solution if you are building out larger projects.  One of the companies I am part of is called Treenada.   We are battling the cost of lumber and reducing the specialist required for a project.  Our product works great if you are building out multiples of the same homes, building apartments or building assisted living.  We are also working on warehouse space and flex space.  Our costs are significantly lower than a lumber package with a time+labor savings as well.  I see lumber prices continue to rise faster than steel.  Our panelized system with EPS built into the walls offers better R values, faster construction, and lower cost.  We are expanding and at capacity but we are looking to add bigger projects, subdivisions, apartments/warehouses to our schedule for the next quarters.   Please contact me if you want to discuss more.  I know it is hard to move away from lumber but the economics are almost forcing and change and this change has a huge number of benefits. 

    We are located in Salem, Oregon.

    Chris Blackburn Clutch Industries,  www.treenada.us   

    (The pictures include a project in Bend)

     This looks very interesting. Does this product comply with any ASTM standards or third party certified (UL, intertek, etc)? If you can get a wall assembly put together using this product and have it pass the E84 ASTM (fire-wall testing) standard I think this product could take off. If it passes 1 and/or 2 hour test (certified third party) while simultaneously maintaining structural design factors that meet code, this could be used in larger multi-family across the country. Those fire walls are important to inspectors and architects. 

     

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris Blackburn:

    @John Lyszczyk @Jay Hinrichs   I have a solution if you are building out larger projects.  One of the companies I am part of is called Treenada.   We are battling the cost of lumber and reducing the specialist required for a project.  Our product works great if you are building out multiples of the same homes, building apartments or building assisted living.  We are also working on warehouse space and flex space.  Our costs are significantly lower than a lumber package with a time+labor savings as well.  I see lumber prices continue to rise faster than steel.  Our panelized system with EPS built into the walls offers better R values, faster construction, and lower cost.  We are expanding and at capacity but we are looking to add bigger projects, subdivisions, apartments/warehouses to our schedule for the next quarters.   Please contact me if you want to discuss more.  I know it is hard to move away from lumber but the economics are almost forcing and change and this change has a huge number of benefits. 

    We are located in Salem, Oregon.

    Chris Blackburn Clutch Industries,  www.treenada.us   

    (The pictures include a project in Bend)

     Love this, Chris. Alternatives to lumber and standard building processes will birth and expand because of whats going on.  

    Specifically, a friend is developing a 50-unit townhome apt community.  5 buildings, 10-units each all replicas in Central WA.  Would your services be an option? Is Wenatchee too far away?  He hasn't gone vertical yet.  Thank you!

  • Investor · Harlingen, TX · Member since 2021 · 50 posts · 28 votes
    5y

    I was looking into buying a 43 acre piece of land about a month ago.  When I finally found out who the seller was it turned out he was a commercial builder and his brother was residential builder.  We chatted for a while an he actually convinced not to buy the property because of the increase of construction material.

    My intent was to start building single family homes.  Boy did I dodge a bullet and this was going to be my first foray into real estate.  I guess the seller had a bit of pity on me and explained what was going on in the market.

    I thanked him and even treated him and his wife to a steak dinner.  Karma was on my side that day!

    Now looking into STR in South Padre Island as I live about 35 miles from there. Hopefully the karma thing sticks with me! Good luck to everyone!

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Jay Hinrichs

    I know this is an old topic, but still relevant in my mind. I'd like to know what, if anything, happened after this comment you made in 2021: "I am going fishing this summer with a good Friend that owned a saw mill here in Oregon for years.. I will ask him since he is retired and sold out to big corporate I should get some inside info.." 

    I don't know enough about the business, but it seems to me owning a saw mill may be an opportunity worth pursuing.  Jay, have you ever thought about building or buying and owning the mill? 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Chris Martin:

    @Jay Hinrichs

    I know this is an old topic, but still relevant in my mind. I'd like to know what, if anything, happened after this comment you made in 2021: "I am going fishing this summer with a good Friend that owned a saw mill here in Oregon for years.. I will ask him since he is retired and sold out to big corporate I should get some inside info.." 

    I don't know enough about the business, but it seems to me owning a saw mill may be an opportunity worth pursuing.  Jay, have you ever thought about building or buying and owning the mill? 


     days of the mom and pop west coast mills are basically over the big mills have bought them all up.. and the old folks like my buddy cashed in and retired.  To Bend Oregon were this picture of the panels is taken.. 

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Quote from @Joe Jor:
    Tangentially, my insurance agent stated that this (as in rebuild costs) was the primary cause of a 9% rise in my insurance rates.
    Joe

     My homeowners just went up 15.6%!

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