I stopped paying my property manager $7,200/year — here's how I self-manage 5 units

I stopped paying my property manager $7,200/year — here's how I self-manage 5 units

Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 13 votes

Hey everyone,

For about two years I was paying a property manager 10% on 5 units averaging $1,200/mo. That's $600/month, $7,200/year — and honestly, I was still doing half the work. Approving maintenance, chasing updates, answering tenant questions they forwarded to me anyway.

So I fired them and went full DIY. Here's what I learned after making the switch:

The hard part isn't the work — it's the organization.

Collecting rent, tracking leases, handling maintenance requests — none of it is complicated on its own. The problem is keeping it all straight across multiple units without things slipping through the cracks. I tried the spreadsheet route. It lasted about three months before I missed a lease renewal and had a tenant go month-to-month without realizing it.

What actually helped me get organized:

  • Setting up automated rent reminders so I'm not the one texting tenants on the 1st
  • Having one place to see which units are paid, which are late, and which leases are expiring
  • Letting tenants submit maintenance requests somewhere I can actually track them instead of random texts at 11pm
  • Keeping expenses categorized all year instead of scrambling at tax time

I ended up building a tool to handle all of this because the existing options were either way too expensive or built for 200+ unit portfolios. 

What's everyone else using to stay organized? Curious if I'm the only one who failed at the spreadsheet method.

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John MorganPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
7mo

I’ve never used a PM. It’s easy to do. I self manage my 33 properties and find it easy. Plus it saves me around 40k/year to do it myself. I’ll take that 40k/year and go buy another house with it. lol. 14 of them are out of state and those seem to be just as easy to self manage. I don’t do any of the work. I’m lazy. I just text someone to go fix whatever the issue is. Then I pay them when they’re done. I’ll send my handyman their number to coordinate a good time to fix whatever. Done. Today I had a fridge go out. I asked my tenant if they could go find a new fridge they wanted and I’d pay for it. He found a new one for $550 and sent me the receipt. I cash apped him the money. Done. Yesterday I had a rodent problem at a house. I sent the pest control people my tenant’s number to coordinate a day and time to come out. Done. I accept payments a number of ways including Cash App, Venmo, Apple Pay, PayPal, chime, cash and apartments.com. I try to put most of them on apartments.com since it’s easier. But several people hate using the pay portal on apartments.com for some reason. lol. So I don’t care how they pay me. Doesn’t matter. I do my leases with apartments.com too. It’s easy and free. And I test new handymen near my rentals when I have issues. I use a few different ones so I can get someone out there within 24 hours to fix problems. I don’t want to have to rely on one handyman or one hvac guy to fix something. I want it fixed today. Not 3 days from now when they have time. And so does my tenants. Especially if it’s the heater or AC. Taking care of my tenants in a timely manner is important to me. Turnovers will crush your profits so I treat my tenants well so they’ll stay with me for many years. I don’t want them to ever leave and I tell them they can stay forever when they move in. I work with them too, if they’re late on rent etc. I find if I take care of them and treat them well, they’ll take care of me with all the (tax free) $ they’re sending me monthly while paying off my mortgages.

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  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7mo

    If you are using the spreadsheet method for data collection of "other than" numbers, you are failing. You end up with multiple, un-synchronized lists that are difficult to extract individual cells of info from. A relational database, properly designed, provides real access to the useful data that you need for operations. You can also easily integrate documents and photos with such a database, for great reporting capability.

    You also need to develop rock solid, Standards and Processes for your operations. You have to treat it like the business that it is.

    • Member since 2025 · 14 posts · 15 votes
      5mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      If you are using the spreadsheet method for data collection of "other than" numbers, you are failing. You end up with multiple, un-synchronized lists that are difficult to extract individual cells of info from. A relational database, properly designed, provides real access to the useful data that you need for operations. You can also easily integrate documents and photos with such a database, for great reporting capability.

      You also need to develop rock solid, Standards and Processes for your operations. You have to treat it like the business that it is.


  • Real Estate Agent · Memphis · Member since 2026 · 591 posts · 347 votes
    7mo

    Good breakdown — a lot of owners don’t leave PMs because of incompetence, they leave because they’re still involved anyway.

    You’re right that the real shift isn’t the tasks, it’s the systems discipline. Five units isn’t operationally complex, but without structure, small misses compound — lease dates, late fees, maintenance follow-ups.

    Where DIY usually succeeds is when owners lock in a few non-negotiables:

    • One official communication channel (no scattered texts)
    • Clear late fee enforcement and automated reminders
    • A lease expiration tracking system with 60–90 day alerts
    • Defined maintenance approval thresholds so every repair doesn’t require a mental decision

    Spreadsheets can work, but only if someone treats them like a system — most people don’t. That’s usually where breakdowns happen.

    The real question long-term isn’t “can I do it?” — it’s whether you want to run operations as you scale. At 5 units, systems matter. At 15, they’re everything.

    Curious — what was the biggest surprise after you switched: time commitment or mental bandwidth?

    • Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 13 votes
      7mo
      Quote from @Jim Johnson:

      Good breakdown — a lot of owners don’t leave PMs because of incompetence, they leave because they’re still involved anyway.

      You’re right that the real shift isn’t the tasks, it’s the systems discipline. Five units isn’t operationally complex, but without structure, small misses compound — lease dates, late fees, maintenance follow-ups.

      Where DIY usually succeeds is when owners lock in a few non-negotiables:

      • One official communication channel (no scattered texts)
      • Clear late fee enforcement and automated reminders
      • A lease expiration tracking system with 60–90 day alerts
      • Defined maintenance approval thresholds so every repair doesn’t require a mental decision

      Spreadsheets can work, but only if someone treats them like a system — most people don’t. That’s usually where breakdowns happen.

      The real question long-term isn’t “can I do it?” — it’s whether you want to run operations as you scale. At 5 units, systems matter. At 15, they’re everything.

      Curious — what was the biggest surprise after you switched: time commitment or mental bandwidth?



      Great points — especially the part about small misses compounding. That's exactly what got me. I didn't lose a tenant because of one big mistake. I almost lost one because I forgot a lease was expiring, didn't start the renewal conversation in time, and they started looking at other places. That was my wake-up call.


      To answer your question — mental bandwidth, no contest. The actual time commitment went down once I had a system. Maybe 2–3 hours a week across all 5 units. But before I had things organized, I was thinking about my properties constantly. Did unit 3 pay? When does that lease expire? Did I follow up on the faucet? It lived in my head rent-free (no pun intended).


      The non-negotiables you listed are basically what I built my whole workflow around. Automated rent reminders eliminated the awkward "hey did you pay" texts. Lease expiry alerts at 60 days saved me from that near-miss I mentioned. And having tenants submit maintenance through one channel instead of random texts was a game changer — not because the requests changed, but because I stopped losing track of them.


      Your point about 15 units is interesting though. I'm at 5 and honestly it feels manageable now. But I can see how the jump from 5 to 15 is where people either build real systems or hire a PM again. For me the goal is to stay self-managed as long as the systems scale with me.


      What's your setup look like? Are you self-managing or using a PM?


  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    7mo

    You don't need a PMC, doctor, attorney, any insurance - until something goes wrong you can't handle.

    There's always a tradeoff.

    Hope you avoid any issues 😎

  • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    In for later. I like the PM business model

  • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    In for later

  • Rental Property Investor · North East · Member since 2026 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    7mo

    You're definitely not alone, I had a lot of issues with the PMs when I first got started. One of them even ghosted me and stole my deposits.

    I ended up building Vantric (getvantric.com) to help my self-management. Everything you listed, automated reminders, one dashboard for paid/late/expiring leases, maintenance tracking, expense categorization. Built specifically for smaller landlords. 

    I am interested to hear about features that would make life easier. Jim mentioned maintenance requests and I've been exploring automatically triaging tenants maintenance requests, and shortlisting a list of handymen in the area for 1-click approvals

  • Member since 2024 · 158 posts · 88 votes
    7mo

    I use Innago for free and it works well for self-managing my 4 properties.  It pretty much has everything you need to manage online, plus a great mobile app.

  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7mo

    Yes self managing is so easy I do it with 8 units. Even if out of state or area just throw a lockbox on use a handyman and leasing agent. One property I only seen in person one time.

  • Member since 2025 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7mo

    I’m new to this and currently have just one rental property. We’re in the rehab phase right now. I’d really like to get organized early instead of scrambling at crunch time. Would you be willing to share the tool you built?

  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7mo

    I’ve never used a PM. It’s easy to do. I self manage my 33 properties and find it easy. Plus it saves me around 40k/year to do it myself. I’ll take that 40k/year and go buy another house with it. lol. 14 of them are out of state and those seem to be just as easy to self manage. I don’t do any of the work. I’m lazy. I just text someone to go fix whatever the issue is. Then I pay them when they’re done. I’ll send my handyman their number to coordinate a good time to fix whatever. Done. Today I had a fridge go out. I asked my tenant if they could go find a new fridge they wanted and I’d pay for it. He found a new one for $550 and sent me the receipt. I cash apped him the money. Done. Yesterday I had a rodent problem at a house. I sent the pest control people my tenant’s number to coordinate a day and time to come out. Done. I accept payments a number of ways including Cash App, Venmo, Apple Pay, PayPal, chime, cash and apartments.com. I try to put most of them on apartments.com since it’s easier. But several people hate using the pay portal on apartments.com for some reason. lol. So I don’t care how they pay me. Doesn’t matter. I do my leases with apartments.com too. It’s easy and free. And I test new handymen near my rentals when I have issues. I use a few different ones so I can get someone out there within 24 hours to fix problems. I don’t want to have to rely on one handyman or one hvac guy to fix something. I want it fixed today. Not 3 days from now when they have time. And so does my tenants. Especially if it’s the heater or AC. Taking care of my tenants in a timely manner is important to me. Turnovers will crush your profits so I treat my tenants well so they’ll stay with me for many years. I don’t want them to ever leave and I tell them they can stay forever when they move in. I work with them too, if they’re late on rent etc. I find if I take care of them and treat them well, they’ll take care of me with all the (tax free) $ they’re sending me monthly while paying off my mortgages.

    • Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 4 votes
      5mo
      Quote from @John Morgan:

      I’ve never used a PM. It’s easy to do. I self manage my 33 properties and find it easy. Plus it saves me around 40k/year to do it myself. I’ll take that 40k/year and go buy another house with it. lol. 14 of them are out of state and those seem to be just as easy to self manage. I don’t do any of the work. I’m lazy. I just text someone to go fix whatever the issue is. Then I pay them when they’re done. I’ll send my handyman their number to coordinate a good time to fix whatever. Done. Today I had a fridge go out. I asked my tenant if they could go find a new fridge they wanted and I’d pay for it. He found a new one for $550 and sent me the receipt. I cash apped him the money. Done. Yesterday I had a rodent problem at a house. I sent the pest control people my tenant’s number to coordinate a day and time to come out. Done. I accept payments a number of ways including Cash App, Venmo, Apple Pay, PayPal, chime, cash and apartments.com. I try to put most of them on apartments.com since it’s easier. But several people hate using the pay portal on apartments.com for some reason. lol. So I don’t care how they pay me. Doesn’t matter. I do my leases with apartments.com too. It’s easy and free. And I test new handymen near my rentals when I have issues. I use a few different ones so I can get someone out there within 24 hours to fix problems. I don’t want to have to rely on one handyman or one hvac guy to fix something. I want it fixed today. Not 3 days from now when they have time. And so does my tenants. Especially if it’s the heater or AC. Taking care of my tenants in a timely manner is important to me. Turnovers will crush your profits so I treat my tenants well so they’ll stay with me for many years. I don’t want them to ever leave and I tell them they can stay forever when they move in. I work with them too, if they’re late on rent etc. I find if I take care of them and treat them well, they’ll take care of me with all the (tax free) $ they’re sending me monthly while paying off my mortgages.


       How do you find a handyman and/or plumber for your out of state properties? This is always the biggest question for me. 

    • John MorganPro Member
      Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      5mo
      Quote from @Peter Lee:
      Quote from @John Morgan:

      I’ve never used a PM. It’s easy to do. I self manage my 33 properties and find it easy. Plus it saves me around 40k/year to do it myself. I’ll take that 40k/year and go buy another house with it. lol. 14 of them are out of state and those seem to be just as easy to self manage. I don’t do any of the work. I’m lazy. I just text someone to go fix whatever the issue is. Then I pay them when they’re done. I’ll send my handyman their number to coordinate a good time to fix whatever. Done. Today I had a fridge go out. I asked my tenant if they could go find a new fridge they wanted and I’d pay for it. He found a new one for $550 and sent me the receipt. I cash apped him the money. Done. Yesterday I had a rodent problem at a house. I sent the pest control people my tenant’s number to coordinate a day and time to come out. Done. I accept payments a number of ways including Cash App, Venmo, Apple Pay, PayPal, chime, cash and apartments.com. I try to put most of them on apartments.com since it’s easier. But several people hate using the pay portal on apartments.com for some reason. lol. So I don’t care how they pay me. Doesn’t matter. I do my leases with apartments.com too. It’s easy and free. And I test new handymen near my rentals when I have issues. I use a few different ones so I can get someone out there within 24 hours to fix problems. I don’t want to have to rely on one handyman or one hvac guy to fix something. I want it fixed today. Not 3 days from now when they have time. And so does my tenants. Especially if it’s the heater or AC. Taking care of my tenants in a timely manner is important to me. Turnovers will crush your profits so I treat my tenants well so they’ll stay with me for many years. I don’t want them to ever leave and I tell them they can stay forever when they move in. I work with them too, if they’re late on rent etc. I find if I take care of them and treat them well, they’ll take care of me with all the (tax free) $ they’re sending me monthly while paying off my mortgages.


       How do you find a handyman and/or plumber for your out of state properties? This is always the biggest question for me. 

      I just asked random people there if they know of a handyman, plumber, electrician etc. I try different ones and like to have at least 2 handymen I trust so I can get things fixed quickly. 
  • Shawnee Mission, KS · Member since 2016 · 719 posts · 313 votes
    7mo

    I go old fashion have a folder for each S.F.H works  fine, any work done goes into the folder etc... ,now for a BIG fish that would not work. .

  • Bianca BarcelosBusiness Member
    NH · Member since 2026 · 88 posts · 48 votes
    7mo

    Love this - I'm scaling and currently self-manage 3 properties.  I've thought about it... I'm not sure that I can (personally) justify the cost of property management at 3-5 or even 8-12 units.  I think I can continue to manage it myself.  I have good systems and spreadsheets, nothing fancy yet as I haven't found any system that works better than Excel for me.  Looking to automate as much as possible as I continue to scale - any recommendations on setting "if/then" calendar reminders for myself or text message reminders to tenants?

    Example - IF my tenant extends their lease 6 months, THEN monthly rent reminders also extend. OR - IF rent is not paid on X day, THEN a reminder text goes out (to myself or to the tenant to follow up).

    For reference, currently I'm using a Google phone, mostly Google systems, Outlook for email, Excel/Google Sheets, and OneNote for some organization and note taking.

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  • Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    7mo

    I self manage as well and I do use a property management software to create leases, set up payments and even for tenants to submit maintenance tickets. The price is $9 per property which is not bad, better than 10%. The name is Avail. This year I’m testing a new one that allows you to scale and be as involve or as hands off as you want, the name is Hemlane, a lot lore expensive than Avail, but still cheaper than 10% management fee.

    It is key to have your boots on the ground when there is an issue to address the problem right away.

    For tracking the time spent on properties, maintenance and expenses I use an app called Csium. 
    Excel is great when your portfolio is not too big or demanding, once one of them is true then you need tools that can automate and scale with your portfolio to minimize the manual work.

  • Member since 2026 · 15 posts · 5 votes
    7mo

    Hi Bianca, I self manage 5 houses and i haven’t seen a need for a property manger either. For the automation you mention below, I use a company called Vulkify for automated reminders and tenant communications. 

  • Bianca BarcelosBusiness Member
    NH · Member since 2026 · 88 posts · 48 votes
    7mo

    Thanks, Adam! I'll check it out.

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  • Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 198 posts · 87 votes
    7mo

    @Hassan Na I will offer a different perspective here. I have 10 doors in Birmingham, all out of state, all with third party property managers. I actually agree with you that the PM relationship you described sounds broken. If you are still doing half the work, that is not a PM problem, that is a bad PM problem.

    The real issue you identified is spot on though: organization is what kills landlords at scale, not the work itself. I hit the same wall you did with spreadsheets around property 4 or 5. Missed a lease renewal, forgot an insurance expiration, spent 3 hours one weekend trying to reconcile why my PM disbursement did not match what I expected.

    Where I landed differently is that I kept my PMs but built systems to verify everything they send me. Every month I cross reference their statements against actual bank deposits. I track every document they generate (inspection reports, lease renewals, insurance certs, maintenance invoices) and I know exactly when something is due before they tell me. That way I am not doing their job, I am auditing it.

    For context, at 10 doors I was spending close to 10 hours a month on spreadsheet reconciliation alone before I got organized. Now it takes me maybe 15 to 20 minutes because everything is categorized against the right Schedule E line item throughout the year instead of scrambling in March.

    Your point about expense categorization is huge. Most landlords do not realize that mixing up a repair versus a capital improvement on Schedule E is one of the top audit triggers. Getting that right throughout the year instead of sorting through a shoebox of receipts in April makes a massive difference.

    Self managing absolutely works at 5 local units. The question I would ask is whether that math changes if you want to scale to 15 or 20, or if you ever want to invest out of state. That is where the PM becomes worth every penny of that 10%, as long as you have the systems to hold them accountable.

  • Alfath AhmedBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo
    Quote from @Hassan Na:

    Hey everyone,

    For about two years I was paying a property manager 10% on 5 units averaging $1,200/mo. That's $600/month, $7,200/year — and honestly, I was still doing half the work. Approving maintenance, chasing updates, answering tenant questions they forwarded to me anyway.

    So I fired them and went full DIY. Here's what I learned after making the switch:

    The hard part isn't the work — it's the organization.

    Collecting rent, tracking leases, handling maintenance requests — none of it is complicated on its own. The problem is keeping it all straight across multiple units without things slipping through the cracks. I tried the spreadsheet route. It lasted about three months before I missed a lease renewal and had a tenant go month-to-month without realizing it.

    What actually helped me get organized:

    • Setting up automated rent reminders so I'm not the one texting tenants on the 1st
    • Having one place to see which units are paid, which are late, and which leases are expiring
    • Letting tenants submit maintenance requests somewhere I can actually track them instead of random texts at 11pm
    • Keeping expenses categorized all year instead of scrambling at tax time

    I ended up building a tool to handle all of this because the existing options were either way too expensive or built for 200+ unit portfolios. 

    What's everyone else using to stay organized? Curious if I'm the only one who failed at the spreadsheet method.


     I had a similar issue. I use follow-up-boss crm for my sales sides of the business. I'm now creating tasks to remind myself of rent renewals, other tasks that i need to do throughout the day.

  • Ryan SpathBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2017 · 577 posts · 379 votes
    7mo

    Like anything there is no right answer to self manage or hire a PM. It depends what your goals are, and if you can truly operate like a business.

    Once you decide to do this it becomes relatively simple. Create repeatable systems, figure out what tech you can use to automate your business, and provide good service!

    Recently, we had a property turn and received an excessive amount of interest in the property in comparison to usual, the conversation was the same from the prospects, they did not want to deal with a PM company for a couple reasons. 1. Lack of communications 2. Delay in resolving issues 3. Unnecessary fees / charges.

    This really got me thinking about the PM model. I speak to a lot of PM’s being an agent and it seems like the model works like this, for every 100 doors there is 1 employee. They have a great tech stack and can automate a lot. I spoke to a PM the other day and they manage 400+ doors. They have one main PM, 2 assistants. Yesterday I met a PM and he is a solopreneur who currently manages 55 doors and when asked how many he thought he can effectively manage alone he told me 75. For those of you in the space is this an accurate representation of the model? Where do you think the delusion of service takes place a employee per door count?

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2026 · 67 posts · 35 votes
    6mo

    Same experience here. I self-manage a larger portfolio and came to the same conclusion — the PM was forwarding me questions I could answer faster myself and I was paying for the privilege.

    I come from a software background where my job was literally finding repeating patterns in business processes and building automation to handle millions of transactions a day. When I started self-managing I naturally applied the same thinking. Every time I did the same task twice I asked myself if this could be a workflow. Most of the time it could.

    But the bigger reason I self-manage isn't the cost savings. It's that I can't build systems to scale my operation without understanding how the operation actually works at the ground level. Every problem I solve manually first becomes a process, then becomes automation. If I handed that to a PM I'd never learn where the real friction is and I'd never be able to build something better.

    You're not the only one who failed at spreadsheets. Everyone does eventually. The organization problem you described is the real one — none of the individual tasks are hard, it's keeping everything connected across units without something slipping.

  • Aurora, IL · Member since 2026 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    6mo

    Hassan — the spreadsheet lasted three months before a missed lease renewal is such a relatable story. That's exactly the kind of slip that costs real money.

    The four things you listed — automated reminders, payment visibility, maintenance tracking, year-round expense categorization — are the right problems to solve. Most landlord software gets the rent collection right and then ignores the financial analytics side entirely.

    Curious what you built — is it something you're keeping internal or are you thinking about turning it into a product? The gap in the market for small landlords (3-20 units) who don't need AppFolio but have outgrown spreadsheets is real. I've been building something in this space too — mostly focused on the financial analytics layer, Schedule E reporting, NOI and cap rate tracking.

    What did you find was the hardest part to build — the maintenance tracking workflow or the financial reporting side?"

    • Member since 2026 · 29 posts · 3 votes
      5mo
      Matt — the gap you're describing (3-20 units, past spreadsheets, nowhere near AppFolio) is exactly the one worth building for. That segment is chronically underserved.

      I've been building in this space too — more focused on the operations layer (maintenance triage, tenant communication, lease tracking) with AI handling the routing and follow-up so the landlord isn't the bottleneck. The financial analytics piece you're working on is the natural complement to that.

      Hardest part to build in my experience: maintenance workflow, not financials. The financial logic is deterministic — the inputs are known. Maintenance is messy because it starts as unstructured text from a tenant at 11pm and has to become a tracked, assigned, resolved workflow without the landlord touching every step. That's where most tools give up and just log the request.

      What's your current approach on the analytics side — are you pulling from bank feeds or manual entry?

      Quote from @Matt Gray:

      Hassan — the spreadsheet lasted three months before a missed lease renewal is such a relatable story. That's exactly the kind of slip that costs real money.

      The four things you listed — automated reminders, payment visibility, maintenance tracking, year-round expense categorization — are the right problems to solve. Most landlord software gets the rent collection right and then ignores the financial analytics side entirely.

      Curious what you built — is it something you're keeping internal or are you thinking about turning it into a product? The gap in the market for small landlords (3-20 units) who don't need AppFolio but have outgrown spreadsheets is real. I've been building something in this space too — mostly focused on the financial analytics layer, Schedule E reporting, NOI and cap rate tracking.

      What did you find was the hardest part to build — the maintenance tracking workflow or the financial reporting side?"


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  • Real Estate Consultant · Los Angeles · Member since 2026 · 48 posts · 11 votes
    6mo

    This is a great discussion—what stands out is everyone is solving the same problem at different stages.

    First it’s chaos (spreadsheets, texts), then organization (tools, systems), then automation.

    But even after that, a lot of operations still stay reactive because it’s hard to see what actually needs attention across properties in one place.

    Feels like the real shift isn’t just tools—it’s moving from tracking everything to actually knowing what matters.

    • Member since 2026 · 29 posts · 3 votes
      5mo
      Ali, you nailed the progression — and I'd argue that third stage is where most landlords get stuck indefinitely. Tools help you organize the chaos, but they don't tell you which tenant is 3 days from being 30 days late, or which maintenance ticket is about to become a $4,000 problem.

      The shift you're describing — from tracking to knowing what matters — is actually what I've been building toward with a platform I've been working on. Still in early access, but the core idea is an AI layer that surfaces what actually needs your attention instead of just logging everything. Happy to show you what we've got if you're curious.

      Quote from @Ali Asadi:

      This is a great discussion—what stands out is everyone is solving the same problem at different stages.

      First it’s chaos (spreadsheets, texts), then organization (tools, systems), then automation.

      But even after that, a lot of operations still stay reactive because it’s hard to see what actually needs attention across properties in one place.

      Feels like the real shift isn’t just tools—it’s moving from tracking everything to actually knowing what matters.


    • Real Estate Consultant · Los Angeles · Member since 2026 · 48 posts · 11 votes
      5mo
      Quote from @John Ledesma:
      Ali, you nailed the progression — and I'd argue that third stage is where most landlords get stuck indefinitely. Tools help you organize the chaos, but they don't tell you which tenant is 3 days from being 30 days late, or which maintenance ticket is about to become a $4,000 problem.

      The shift you're describing — from tracking to knowing what matters — is actually what I've been building toward with a platform I've been working on. Still in early access, but the core idea is an AI layer that surfaces what actually needs your attention instead of just logging everything. Happy to show you what we've got if you're curious.

      Quote from @Ali Asadi:

      This is a great discussion—what stands out is everyone is solving the same problem at different stages.

      First it’s chaos (spreadsheets, texts), then organization (tools, systems), then automation.

      But even after that, a lot of operations still stay reactive because it’s hard to see what actually needs attention across properties in one place.

      Feels like the real shift isn’t just tools—it’s moving from tracking everything to actually knowing what matters.


      Exactly—that’s the gap. 

      Most tools track what already happened… not what’s about to become a problem. How are you currently staying ahead of those early warning signs across your units?





  • Sacramento, CA · Member since 2026 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    6mo

    I get the appeal of self-managing, I really do. I just can't make it work with my schedule. I teach full-time and have a handful of rentals across two markets. During the school year there's no version of my life where I'm fielding maintenance calls between third period and volleyball practice. My property manager takes 8% and I feel that cost on the properties that barely cash flow. But every time I run the math on doing it myself I come back to the same place. The 8% is the price of keeping my job and not losing my mind between September and June.

    I will say though, the "just fire the PM and save $7,200" framing assumes the PM isn't catching things you'd miss. I had a PM in Vegas flag a slow leak under a kitchen sink during a routine inspection. Repair was $400. Without the catch it would've been a floor replacement. I wasn't going to find that from 500 miles away between grading papers.

    The real split isn't PM vs no PM. It's whether your PM is worth what you're paying them. If they're not, switch PMs. Don't throw out the whole model.

    • Member since 2026 · 29 posts · 3 votes
      5mo
      Sofia, the Vegas leak story is exactly why the PM vs. no-PM debate usually misses the point. The real question is whether the cost buys you coverage you genuinely can't replicate — and for a teacher managing across two markets during the school year, 8% might be close to fair.

      That said, a lot of what PMs catch comes down to visibility — knowing something is off before it becomes expensive. That's actually the problem I've been working on with a platform I built for self-managing landlords. The idea is giving you that same early-warning layer without the 8%. Not the right fit for every situation, but if you ever run that math again and it comes out close, I'd be glad to show you what it looks like. No pitch — just a quick look.

      Quote from @Sofia Gutierrez:

      I get the appeal of self-managing, I really do. I just can't make it work with my schedule. I teach full-time and have a handful of rentals across two markets. During the school year there's no version of my life where I'm fielding maintenance calls between third period and volleyball practice. My property manager takes 8% and I feel that cost on the properties that barely cash flow. But every time I run the math on doing it myself I come back to the same place. The 8% is the price of keeping my job and not losing my mind between September and June.

      I will say though, the "just fire the PM and save $7,200" framing assumes the PM isn't catching things you'd miss. I had a PM in Vegas flag a slow leak under a kitchen sink during a routine inspection. Repair was $400. Without the catch it would've been a floor replacement. I wasn't going to find that from 500 miles away between grading papers.

      The real split isn't PM vs no PM. It's whether your PM is worth what you're paying them. If they're not, switch PMs. Don't throw out the whole model.


  • Member since 2025 · 81 posts · 19 votes
    5mo

    I had a property management company managing properties for 5 years before I took all mine over. The thing I don't like about having a management company is how you really don't know what is going on- you are supposed to stay out of it- and you only hear the management companies side of what is going on. 

    I found out a few things once I took over- the PMs have tons of properties, and they definitely don't care as much as the owner generally does. One rental I found out the leaking tub had been fixed but the vendor left a hole in the wall- and the tenant let me know about it once I had taken over. 

    I also really like finding my own tenant- because I think I am more thorough than PMs are- I look on the clerk of courts website etc- not just relying on what comes back from the background/ credit check. And I like to call the previous landlord/ employers- on the application- because a lot of time that gives you more info in the prospective tenant.

    The part that I don't like about self management- is the organization- I use rentec for tenant rent payments- and you can automate the late fees. I am likely going to get a bookkeeper for tax stuff- because it's not my strong suit. I also do not enjoy dealing with compliance and confrontation stuff. That is a hard adjustment - and I think that is where a PM can be pretty helpful. Because they can be tough with a tenant- and it's their job. 

    I have a company that prepares my leases, their attorneys will answer questions that arise- and plenty have lol. And they can facilitate evicitions/ provide paperwork for dealing with non- compliance etc. That part is very helpful- because you need to know what the law is and be able to produce the right documents to deal with mis behaving tenants lol.

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 146 posts · 110 votes
      5mo
      Quote from @Sasha Leans:

      I had a property management company managing properties for 5 years before I took all mine over. The thing I don't like about having a management company is how you really don't know what is going on- you are supposed to stay out of it- and you only hear the management companies side of what is going on. 

      I found out a few things once I took over- the PMs have tons of properties, and they definitely don't care as much as the owner generally does. One rental I found out the leaking tub had been fixed but the vendor left a hole in the wall- and the tenant let me know about it once I had taken over. 

      I also really like finding my own tenant- because I think I am more thorough than PMs are- I look on the clerk of courts website etc- not just relying on what comes back from the background/ credit check. And I like to call the previous landlord/ employers- on the application- because a lot of time that gives you more info in the prospective tenant.

      The part that I don't like about self management- is the organization- I use rentec for tenant rent payments- and you can automate the late fees. I am likely going to get a bookkeeper for tax stuff- because it's not my strong suit. I also do not enjoy dealing with compliance and confrontation stuff. That is a hard adjustment - and I think that is where a PM can be pretty helpful. Because they can be tough with a tenant- and it's their job. 

      I have a company that prepares my leases, their attorneys will answer questions that arise- and plenty have lol. And they can facilitate evicitions/ provide paperwork for dealing with non- compliance etc. That part is very helpful- because you need to know what the law is and be able to produce the right documents to deal with mis behaving tenants lol.


       Hi Sasha, I love that you presented both sides of the spectrum. There are pros and cons to every situation but having a professional that actually cares is most important. You should interview the manager/agent and make sure they're licensed. May people start up PM companies because it is fairly easy to begin but most states require a license. This is a great topic.

    • Bianca BarcelosBusiness Member
      NH · Member since 2026 · 88 posts · 48 votes
      5mo

      @Sasha Leans there are definitely some PM companies out there that allow a better customization of services and for any investor.  I'm pretty hands on myself so I'm not sure a PM that wants me to "stay out of it" would work for my (or for my clients). ;)
      Whether you're right down the street and just want a more passive investment or if you're out of state and can't physically manage the properties yourself, I reccomend having a great relationship with the Property Manager, they are a super important part of the team - get coffee every once in a while to connect, at least chat for updates annually or so and the monthly updates can be emailed and managed pretty passively otherwise.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 146 posts · 110 votes
    5mo
    Quote from @Hassan Na:

    Hey everyone,

    For about two years I was paying a property manager 10% on 5 units averaging $1,200/mo. That's $600/month, $7,200/year — and honestly, I was still doing half the work. Approving maintenance, chasing updates, answering tenant questions they forwarded to me anyway.

    So I fired them and went full DIY. Here's what I learned after making the switch:

    The hard part isn't the work — it's the organization.

    Collecting rent, tracking leases, handling maintenance requests — none of it is complicated on its own. The problem is keeping it all straight across multiple units without things slipping through the cracks. I tried the spreadsheet route. It lasted about three months before I missed a lease renewal and had a tenant go month-to-month without realizing it.

    What actually helped me get organized:

    • Setting up automated rent reminders so I'm not the one texting tenants on the 1st
    • Having one place to see which units are paid, which are late, and which leases are expiring
    • Letting tenants submit maintenance requests somewhere I can actually track them instead of random texts at 11pm
    • Keeping expenses categorized all year instead of scrambling at tax time

    I ended up building a tool to handle all of this because the existing options were either way too expensive or built for 200+ unit portfolios. 

    What's everyone else using to stay organized? Curious if I'm the only one who failed at the spreadsheet method.


    I can definitely agree with this if you are self managing your portfolio as a full time manager and utilize a property management software system. Spreadsheets in 2026, absolutely not. How do you handle the leasing process, property tours, screening applicants etc? Do you hire an agent or manager to show your properties?

    I owe and operate a brokerage in Cleveland Ohio and one of our specialities is property management and leasing services. A lot of time many of our clients self-manage and not sure how and ask questions. We highly recommend hiring a professional especially for evictions, screening and routine maintenance. I also run my personal portfolio through my business.

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