Is Florida real estate headed for a downturn?

Is Florida real estate headed for a downturn?

Randy BuffBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Bradenton, FL · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 9 votes

In my opinion Florida is headed for a downturn in the local real estate market. I am a licensed FL Realtor and part owner of a FL Real Estate Brokerage. I see a lot of transactions here in my market firsthand. Most agents in my market have seen a noticeable decline in activity that really started in Q4 of 2023. This downturn was really pronounced this year with most agents transaction volume down by 40% or more.

So what is causing this current downturn in Florida? Some claim it is the new NAR rules (it isn't). Some claim it is election year (most likely not the reason – just an excuse). And some claim it is a shortage of inventory (we have the most listed homes on my market since Q4 of 2012 just after the great recession – i.e. there is no inventory shortage). What is driving the Florida market is simply it is too unaffordable for someone to buy a home here.

I am based in Bradenton, FL (Manatee County). The average household income here is $79,524. The median price of a single-family home in July 2024 (most recent information available) is $499,000. This is down slightly from the peak in August 2023 of $525,000 – a 4.95% decline. Using a 30% of gross income to represent what most consider a safe amount for a mortgage payment, the average person could only afford a monthly payment of $1,988. Given our higher insurance costs (usually 0.7% to 1.0% of purchase price as a rough guide -$291/mo on low end) and property taxes (typically between 0.5% and 0.7% of purchase price as a rough estimate -$208/mo on low end) that leaves only $1489 for Principle and Interest. At current market rates of 6.2% for 30 year fix mortgage you could only safely afford a $243,114 mortgage amount. So the average person would need to put a 51.3% down payment to afford a median priced home here ($255,886 down payment plus a mortgage of $243,114 on a $499,000 purchase price). Most buyers do not have this large of a down payment and thus this is why my market is slowing.

To make housing affordable again, one of several things needs to happen. Either people need to start earning more money (we can debate this since it looks like we are already in a recession here), interest rates need to decline (looks like the Fed is about to start doing this) or prices need to decline which has already started to happen.

My vote is on lower interest rates and price declines until the market finds its balance and you see transactions start to increase. My speculative guess is that you see a further decline of 15% to 20% off the peak (August 2023 – here) and interest rate declining to 4.5% in the next 18 months to bring the market to a more affordable level. If the median home value declines 20% and interest rates decline to 4.5% for a mortgage, it would bring the down payment to 21.4% of the new purchase price ($85,593 down payment on a $399,200 purchase price) for the average person here to afford the average home. While still a challenge saving up the down payment it is closer to the realm of possibilities versus where we are at today.

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Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
2y

@Randy Buff thanks for taking the time to type this up, very thorough!  I am not in FL as an agent, but I have done some localized projects their at a commercial level.  It seems like in most areas that its very localized.  For instance I was seeing insane growth and development in pasco county, wesley chapel areas outside of tampa, and actually had a hell of a time finding industrial space in Bradenton FL, so at least on the commercial side of things from my limited experience there didn't seem to be a down turn or softening, so its so interesting to here your take on your local market there as well.  

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  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    2y

    I agree that Florida real estate prices (and rents) are likely to either grow less quickly than the rest of the country, or decline more rapidly. Florida as a state, and many of it's major markets are some of the worst positioned in the country for real estate investors in the near-term. 

    But, affordability is only part of the issue. New supply and rising expenses are probably even more impactful.

    Florida has some of the most new construction going on in the country, and is seeing rapid increases in insurance costs. These two things directly impact gross rents and cash flow. 

    While it's not AS bad as markets like Austin, TX, Florida real estate is near the bottom of my list in terms of return potential for the next 1-2 years. 

    Long-term? As long as you don't fear climate change impacts, Florida is probably fine and buys today will probably work out great over the decades. But, I would not bet on a boom in rents or prices until 2026 at least. 

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    @Randy Buff thanks for taking the time to type this up, very thorough!  I am not in FL as an agent, but I have done some localized projects their at a commercial level.  It seems like in most areas that its very localized.  For instance I was seeing insane growth and development in pasco county, wesley chapel areas outside of tampa, and actually had a hell of a time finding industrial space in Bradenton FL, so at least on the commercial side of things from my limited experience there didn't seem to be a down turn or softening, so its so interesting to here your take on your local market there as well.  

  • Randy BuffBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Bradenton, FL · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:

    @Randy Buff thanks for taking the time to type this up, very thorough!  I am not in FL as an agent, but I have done some localized projects their at a commercial level.  It seems like in most areas that its very localized.  For instance I was seeing insane growth and development in pasco county, wesley chapel areas outside of tampa, and actually had a hell of a time finding industrial space in Bradenton FL, so at least on the commercial side of things from my limited experience there didn't seem to be a down turn or softening, so its so interesting to here your take on your local market there as well.  


     I agree commercial is still not seen much of any pullback especially in industrial.   I am noticing more empty spaces in retail and office that are staying vacant longer.   We moved our offices in March 2023 and the space we left on a major road is still vacant.   I am having challenges finding warehouse space with fenced yards.   That is in real demand here for people in the trades.   

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y

    people price out are first time buyers with minimum down always been a challenge for those folks for the last 50 years or at least the 50 years I have been selling RE.

    the buyers are selling somewhere else and they are bringing their equity with them and paying larger down payments thats whats driving the market today.

    I know in my little sandbox the last year on my new builds price points 700 to 1 mil 80% were sold for cash.. I have not had one minimum down payment sale even though its up to 800k in our market for fha.. that low down and todays rates for sure dont go together.. so what i see is equity roll up .. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    2y

    @Randy Buff

    I agree. I saw many people claiming home prices are ready to skyrocket once rates go down - which they have gone down around 1-1.5% and homes are not moving and it’s exactly what you said.

    Those that could move- why? They are in a great rate and those trying to get into the housing market are priced out. Everything always goes back to its norm and rates will come down slightly to its more recent norm (5’s not 3’s) and prices will come back in line with income.

    I don’t think it will tank I think we will have 3-4 years of prices pretty flat and some locations yes they will go down.

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  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    Deep SW florida has been mentioned over, and over, here that it's due for a correction.

    Austin is also getting smacked, but the time has come to enter. 

  • NYC · Member since 2022 · 38 posts · 18 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Scott Trench:

    I agree that Florida real estate prices (and rents) are likely to either grow less quickly than the rest of the country, or decline more rapidly. Florida as a state, and many of it's major markets are some of the worst positioned in the country for real estate investors in the near-term. 

    But, affordability is only part of the issue. New supply and rising expenses are probably even more impactful.

    Florida has some of the most new construction going on in the country, and is seeing rapid increases in insurance costs. These two things directly impact gross rents and cash flow. 

    While it's not AS bad as markets like Austin, TX, Florida real estate is near the bottom of my list in terms of return potential for the next 1-2 years. 

    Long-term? As long as you don't fear climate change impacts, Florida is probably fine and buys today will probably work out great over the decades. But, I would not bet on a boom in rents or prices until 2026 at least. 


    I agree with most of your assessment regarding Florida's real estate market. Here’s a recap of key points.

    • Slower growth in prices and rents: Florida is expected to experience slower appreciation or even declines, affecting short-term returns for investors.
    • Affordability challenges: While affordability remains an issue, the primary concerns are rising expenses and increased supply.
    • Increase in new inventory: Florida is experiencing a significant rise in new housing inventory, contributing to oversupply. This increase puts downward pressure on both rental rates and property values.
    • Rising insurance costs: Skyrocketing insurance premiums are further squeezing cash flow and increasing operational costs for property owners.
    • Short-term outlook: With the current market conditions, Florida real estate is unlikely to yield strong returns over the next 1-2 years, making it less favorable for immediate investment.

  • Investor · Miami · Member since 2020 · 70 posts · 34 votes
    2y

    All my properties are in Broward / Miami-Dade and we have seen values decline slightly. 

    Condo market is going to take a big hit and could be a good place to acquire some assets .

    My friend owns a few properties in Cape Coral and is getting crushed ... He is not happy !! 

  • Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 93 posts · 59 votes
    2y

    I live in and own three properties in Broward county; SF and duplexes (STR). As of July's Broward county YoY report:

    Closed sales up 7.5%

    Median sale price up 4.2% 

    Original list price received down only 1.5% to 96.3%

    Inventory and median days to contract up 50% 

    Inventory and months supply up 56%

    As far as a 20% price drop we are still going in the opposite direction down here. Inventory is growing but has a long way to go. SE FL is a bit of an anomaly however as we have a lot of international investment. 

    In regards to interest rate moves, when they drop do we really expect RE prices to trend down? Normally the opposite is true i.e. rates down/asset prices up. We shall see. 

    I am always a buyer and anything small multi in my area (Pompano Beach) goes quick and generally all cash. I can't compete as a finance investor in this market. The numbers don't add up. 

    I welcome a downturn but as we know from 2008, RE prices did not bottom until 2012 so it takes time. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Manteno, IL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2y

    Isn't the real problem with florida the lack of affordable insurance? And secondly, the risk of these hurricanes getting worse and worse and constantly beating down on people's houses? At some point, people just say enough is enough.

    You have a lot of people on fixed income down there and the insurance increases are out of control. They're starting to throw their houses up for sale because of all the equity they've gained and many are moving to other states so they can actually get insurance on the new homes.

  • Investor · Miami · Member since 2020 · 70 posts · 34 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Mike H.:

    Isn't the real problem with florida the lack of affordable insurance? And secondly, the risk of these hurricanes getting worse and worse and constantly beating down on people's houses? At some point, people just say enough is enough.

    You have a lot of people on fixed income down there and the insurance increases are out of control. They're starting to throw their houses up for sale because of all the equity they've gained and many are moving to other states so they can actually get insurance on the new homes.


     Yes on the insurance .... currently paying around 5k for small 1500 SF rentals ... 

    Hurricanes are just something to deal with a few months a year - we are used to them ... 

  • Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 93 posts · 59 votes
    2y

    Yes wind insurance costs are up. As far as the hurricanes some areas seem to be more prone than others such as the panhandle and west coast. I am in Broward county and it has been a very long time since we had a real serious named storm hit (knock on wood!). 

    One thing that is happening w waterfront homes here is the new seawall code requiring they be at 4' NAVD. If you want to redo your dock you must also bring the seawall up to code. That can run up to $1,000 a foot with most lots here being 75-100' in width. 

    The increase in insurance costs definitely hurts those on fixed income especially in condos. As of now, it seems there are plenty of buyers stepping in to take properties off their hands. The older aged condo market is tough with so much new supply coming online and breaking ground. 

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