So, You Wanna Be A Wholesaler?

So, You Wanna Be A Wholesaler?

Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes

WHOLESALERS, EVER WONDER WHY IT’S SO HARD TO CONNECT WITH INVESTORS AND CASH BUYERS TO ACTUALLY CLOSE A DEAL? YOU MIGHT THINK WE ALL SUCK, AND NO DOUBT, SOME DO. BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NICE PEOPLE AND GENUINELY WANT TO WORK WITH YOU (HINT HINT ), YOU NEED TO SET YOURSELVES APART FROM ALL THE CRUMMY A$$ WHOLESALERS OUT THERE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. BUT HOW? KEEP READING.

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As investors we have tremendous respect for a quality wholesaler. The value you add to our business is unparalleled. If done properly. I mean, I can sit at home (or my office, or on some beach, or anywhere for that matter), while you do all the painful, frustrating, time consuming leg work to bring me a deal that’s going to make us all money. Sounds great, right?

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Here’s the problem as I see it—EDUCATION & EXECUTION. Now, before you decide that you hate me, please know this post isn’t meant to bash wholesalers. And by no means am I an expert. I’m just a human being who has dealt with far too many wholesalers trying to make it in this industry who end up giving up, or failing, because they JUST DON’T GET IT!

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As general contractors with 20+ years in the construction and building industry, we know how to come up with a scope of work and repair estimate on every project we consider putting an offer in. As investors we do a ton of due diligence on each market we invest in, and also call on the expertise of industry experts, such as real estate brokers. Does that mean YOU have to be a contractor? No. Do you have to be a licensed real estate broker? Well, yes, legally in Illinois if you’re going to wholesale more than 1 property every 12 months. But from an educational perspective, no way. In other words, you don’t have to know everything a contractor or Realtor know to be an amazing wholesaler!

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In our opinion, here are some things that you can and should/should not do if you want to work with the most reputable investors around:

1. DO: Be transparent. Introduce yourself in a meaningful way. Ask if we’d like to be added to your cash buyers list.

2. DON’T: Lurk around Facebook groups, posts, and websites and put our email addresses for your list withOUT first asking if we’d like to be added. How many random emails have I gotten from wholesalers in various locations with properties I have ZERO interest in? Too many to count.

3. DO: Ask your buyers what their criteria are. This is vital! Imagine you came over for breakfast and told me you only like grape juice. Yet I keep pouring you grapefruit juice, over and over. Sounds ridiculous, right? Yeah, now you get how we feel.

4. DON’T: Send a blanket email to ALL of your buyers for the SAME property if that property does not meet their criteria.

5. DO: Write complete sentences and paragraphs. This includes addressing your email or message to a person’s name. This isn’t high school, and nobody is judging you--(that’s a lie, people judge you all the time and there’s nothing we can do about that)--spelling and grammar DO count.

6. DON’T: Just forward a ton of photos (that bulks up our email inboxes) and assume we want the property

7. DO: Email us with details of a property you have under contract that fits our criteria. That includes the address, asking price, repair estimates, and maybe some comps (though I’m doing my own research anyway).

8. DO: Provide accurate repair estimates (to the best of your/your contractor's ability). Remember, we may not see the house in person like you have. We depend on you to some degree to get a fairly accurate repair estimate when presenting your asking price and ARV.

9. DO: If you have little to no knowledge of construction, consider spending a day or two or three with a licensed contractor or investor who has building/construction experience. Ask if you can shadow them or walk through their next property with them to see things through THEIR eyes.

10. DON’T: Lose faith. All businesses take time to grow. DO: Plant seeds and nurture those seeds. Be friendly + Be diligent + Be genuine + Be thorough.

11. DO: Ask yourself: ‘Is this REALLY a good deal where BOTH of us can make money?’ If you’re not sure, then it’s YOUR duty to figure out WHY. What piece of information or education are you missing that you can obtain in order to make you a more sharp, quality wholesaler?

Develop a strong and credible reputation and investors will flock TO you. This business is all about who you know. People buy people. Well, we buy houses too. But, you know what I mean. If you’re the real deal, and have a proven track record, I’m 99.9% more likely to consider your deals (and not block you and send you to my spam).

Y’all, I hope this is helpful in some way. We are always on the hunt for great people who can bring us great deals! We sometimes have too many deals ourselves and need to pass them on to other investors, so we understand where you’re coming from. Any wholesalers or investors have something else to add here I welcome your comments. Be well!

Jennie Berger

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Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2020 · 253 posts · 240 votes
5y

This may be outside of the box and a little controversial but I agree with everything except for 8 and 9. Wholesalers, trust me, stop wasting time marketing your contracts with repair estimates and ARV included. 99% of all investors will run their own comps to establish their own ARV and if you ask 3 diff people the ARV of a property you'll get 3 different answers. In regards to repair estimates, that is also the investors job to come up with their estimate which makes sense because you, the wholesaler, have no idea what they plan on doing with the property anyway. You don't know if they want to bring it up to rentable levels or do a HGTV flip with all the latest finishes and bells and whistles. Maybe they want to add an addition. Maybe they want to pop the top. Let them figure that out or risk throwing out some numbers they don't agree with and now they think you are trying to fool them.

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  • Realtor · Schaumburg, IL · Member since 2011 · 289 posts · 118 votes
    5y

    Wow. Great post. Nicely done. 

  • Tommy AdeoyePro Member
    Investor · Member since 2020 · 164 posts · 87 votes
    5y

    Great post. I think you should turn this into a blog on BP.

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    Hey @Tommy Adeoye Thanks! I'm ashamed to say I'm not very good at navigating BP's website. How would I go about doing something like you recommended? Glad you enjoyed the read! 

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    Thanks for the kind words @Christopher Leon!

  • Wholesaler · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    5y

    Thanks from a noob wholeseller, definitely took notes! 

  • Joe S.Pro Member
    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    @Jennie Berger A well written article and lots of correct grammar. I read your profile and it said you’ve been an investor for one year. You sound very authoritative to have so little time as an real estate investor. Reading your article I thought you was a mega buyer that bought properties like crazy. I want to keep my comments short so that you do not catch any grammar errors. LOL

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Dana Sample Aww that's awesome. We're all noobs in some form or another, eh? Always learning... I'm glad something in my post resonated with you. Good luck!🙌

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Joe S. HA- Thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I'm definitely NOT an expert, but I did take a lot of English classes growing up. ;) Glad you enjoyed the post. (PS: Your grammar is fine!)

  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    Please no more wholesalers. I already have 50 of you calling, texting and snail-mailing me weekly. Usually it is an automated call or some admin person you are paying because your time is obviously more valuable than mine. No prior research on the property has been done, your just skimming the service looking for signals of someone to take advantage of. At least the Nigerian dude trying to sell me ownership in a diamond mine is making a personal time invest in me. 

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Terrell Garren Sad but true. Even more reason for those who CARE (I'm sure they are out there albeit far and few between) to step up and raise the bar. I hope this post inspires even one aspiring wholesaler to put more effort into their business and themselves. G*d knows, we could use a really good wholesaler or two in our life. 

  • Attorney · Northbrook, IL · Member since 2017 · 719 posts · 549 votes
    5y

    I don't mind wholesalers at all. However, I do have complaints. Many times the ARV is over inflated using bad comps or the rehab estimate is horrifically low. Someone sent me a house that only needed $10,000 worth of work. Just needed a new roof, new kitchen, new bathrooms, and paint job.

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Bob Floss II Ha! That story sounds very familiar.🤦‍♀️

  • Wholesaler · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bob Floss II:

    I don't mind wholesalers at all. However, I do have complaints. Many times the ARV is over inflated using bad comps or the rehab estimate is horrifically low. Someone sent me a house that only needed $10,000 worth of work. Just needed a new roof, new kitchen, new bathrooms, and paint job.

     As a wholesaler, That’s definitely an issue I come across...getting accurate rehab numbers. I can tell you first hand this comes from straight from YouTube university. I was making offers based on this widely taught rehab model, but I’m in Southern California and the rehab estimates are no where near what all those videos suggest so the properties weren’t actually “deals”. 

    So as a seasoned investor, what’s your best piece of advice for estimating more accurate rehab cost?  Should I reach out to contractors to find out their price per sqft? I don’t want to bring bad information to my end buyers. I feel it’s my job to bring as much accurate information to the end buyer as possible. TIA! 

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Dana Sample I realize this never got a response and for that I apologize. I believe you asked Mike but I'm happy to share our feedback.

    The best way to get accurate repair estimates is to have a qualified contractor walk the property with you. Do that enough and you'll get the hang of it.

    Are you using some kind of repair estimator spreadsheet or software? If you have a template that can be used over and over, the more you walk through properties, the easier it is to know how much something costs. We use a pre filled spreadsheet where we just check certain boxes and the numbers are automatically calculated. These figures are ballparks for our areas, and you'd of course need to tweak the #s to fit your market(s).

    (*Note: Every estimate from a contractor or spreadsheet is a just that. And estimate. A ballpark figure until you have an actual complete scope of work and/or full architectural plans, if applicable. Even the best contractor won't be able to get you exact numbers without those two items above.)

    As rehabbers/builders, we tend to stick to a few particular zip codes and styles of house. This may not be your M.O. By doing this it's easy for us to walk through a new property, estimate repairs in about 15 mins (because we walk the same types of properties in similar areas, over and over again), and know the ARV. If that's possible in your market, that is one way to gain true expertise.

    Let me know if I can clarify or explain anything better. I hope this was helpful!

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    And I meant Bob, not Mike.🤦‍♀️😁

  • Wholesaler · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    5y

    @Jennie Berger this was very helpful, thank you so much !!

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Dana Sample I'm so glad you found it helpful!🙏

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y

    Keep in mind that your state just passed a law and wholesalers if they are going to do more than 1 ONE transaction a year need to be licensed agents..  GONE are the days in IL and Chicago of unlicensed middlemen making fees bringing two parties together or pimping contracts.. I am sure you aware of this as well..

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y

    OK i saw were you mentioned the license then went right by it..  to encourage these folks to wholesale without a license is a disservice.. I would think you would want to make a point of the license aspect you need to be legal if your going to have legs in this arena.. Plus the license opens you up to Many more opportunities then just trying to sell rehabber homes to a very tough audience

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Great post, great read especially for newbies like myself and put in perspective what end buyers look for and respect from those entering the space. Thanks! 

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y

    @Michael E Talamante Glad you found it helpful! Happy to answer any questions you may have. :)

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    OK i saw were you mentioned the license then went right by it..  to encourage these folks to wholesale without a license is a disservice.. I would think you would want to make a point of the license aspect you need to be legal if your going to have legs in this arena.. Plus the license opens you up to Many more opportunities then just trying to sell rehabber homes to a very tough audience

    I agree! Encouraging people to break the law is not only unethical but kinda dumb, especially on a public forum, don't ya think? ;) I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by your comment. But I assure you that I was not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal. I mentioned it in my post for that very reason, so that wholesalers (or aspiring ones) in Illinois would know it's required. The intention of my post was NOT to harp on the legalities of wholesaling in IL, however. It was to provide value & insight from the perspective of their end buyers, ie, us. The investors. And also from the perspective of a general contractor. And how they can connect with us more meaningfully, intentionally, and well-informed. 

     Additionally, this is not really a newly passed law. It's been around for well over a year now.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2020 · 253 posts · 240 votes
    5y

    This may be outside of the box and a little controversial but I agree with everything except for 8 and 9. Wholesalers, trust me, stop wasting time marketing your contracts with repair estimates and ARV included. 99% of all investors will run their own comps to establish their own ARV and if you ask 3 diff people the ARV of a property you'll get 3 different answers. In regards to repair estimates, that is also the investors job to come up with their estimate which makes sense because you, the wholesaler, have no idea what they plan on doing with the property anyway. You don't know if they want to bring it up to rentable levels or do a HGTV flip with all the latest finishes and bells and whistles. Maybe they want to add an addition. Maybe they want to pop the top. Let them figure that out or risk throwing out some numbers they don't agree with and now they think you are trying to fool them.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2020 · 253 posts · 240 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Terrell Garren:

    Please no more wholesalers. I already have 50 of you calling, texting and snail-mailing me weekly. Usually it is an automated call or some admin person you are paying because your time is obviously more valuable than mine. No prior research on the property has been done, your just skimming the service looking for signals of someone to take advantage of. At least the Nigerian dude trying to sell me ownership in a diamond mine is making a personal time invest in me. 

    Do you own your investment properties under an LLC, or even better, a trust? If not, you should consider it for no other reason than wholesalers typically don't waste time and money skip tracing LLC's or trusts even though it's possible but a lot more difficult than finding an individual's contact info. Also you should put yourself on the do not call list. Most wholesalers scrub against the federal dnc list.

  • Lender · Chicago IL · Member since 2020 · 357 posts · 230 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:

    This may be outside of the box and a little controversial but I agree with everything except for 8 and 9. Wholesalers, trust me, stop wasting time marketing your contracts with repair estimates and ARV included. 99% of all investors will run their own comps to establish their own ARV and if you ask 3 diff people the ARV of a property you'll get 3 different answers. In regards to repair estimates, that is also the investors job to come up with their estimate which makes sense because you, the wholesaler, have no idea what they plan on doing with the property anyway. You don't know if they want to bring it up to rentable levels or do a HGTV flip with all the latest finishes and bells and whistles. Maybe they want to add an addition. Maybe they want to pop the top. Let them figure that out or risk throwing out some numbers they don't agree with and now they think you are trying to fool them.

    Duane- you bring up some really strong points. I totally agree--we do our own due diligence and come up with our own estimates. IMHO, however, it still doesn't hurt to have an idea of the wholesalers estimate as well for a couple of reasons.

    1. Sometimes, it's long distance, and/or the investor is unable to see the house in real life.

    2. It always helps to have another set of eyes. The more capable the wholesaler--the more well rounded they are and the more informed--the more likely I am to trust their judgment and to want to buy from him/her in the future. 

    This being said, I'd rather the wholesaler tell me they have no clue what the repairs are than give me a whackadoodle price along with an unrealistic ARV they pulled out of thin air.

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