Tacoma WA Wholesaler Needs Advice From Local Investors

Tacoma WA Wholesaler Needs Advice From Local Investors

Real Estate Investor · Bonney Lake, WA - Washington · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 35 votes

BP Team,

I need some local knowledge advice, as I have a couple of properties I am ready to put under contract, but wanted to be sure my numbers look good to ensure I am able to do right by the seller and the cash buyer for these off market properties. Here are the numbers (my assignment fees have been included in the sell price already):

Property #1

4 bedroom/1 bath (2 beds upstairs, 2 bed and 1 bath main floor) 1,280 sqft

$125,000     Sell price to the Cash Buyer

$  20,000     Rehab estimated costs (this would be for full rehab)

$180,000     After Repair Value (based upon comps obtained via my RE Agent within 1/2 mi)

Buyer would of course be expected to pay all closing costs, but this is a vacant property, and the inside just needs some love. The roof appears in decent shape, it is on a nice sized piece of property with fenced front and back yard and detached garage with alleyway access in back. The outside definitely needs painted, and maybe some minor landscaping.

Property #2

3 bedroom/1 bath w/finished basement (There is a 4th bedroom in basement) 1,176 sqft

$147,000     Sell price to the Cash Buyer

$  20,000     Rehab estimated costs (this would be for full rehab)

$215,000     After Repair Value (based upon comps obtained via my RE Agent within 1/2 mi)

Again, Buyer would pay all closing costs, and this particular property has a renter no longer paying their rent (been over a year since they have paid). The roof appears to be in decent shape, and is on a good sized piece of property with fenced backyard, but no garage. I have not been able to get a solid look at the inside due to the renters, but based upon the outside I would say it will need full rehab.

Based upon these numbers, I would welcome feedback on these to see if this matches up with the types of numbers the market is looking for right now. I don't want to put them under contract if these numbers don't work. I used between $16-17 per sq ft rehab cost to calculate rehab estimates. Thanks in advance for your help!

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Mindy JensenPro Member
BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
9y

Property #1 leaves $35k to sell and take profits out. I don't think that's enough.

Property 2 has better numbers presented here, but if they've got a tenant in there who hasn't paid rent in more than a year, those type people aren't inclined to leave the property in nice condition... I think your rehab costs are going to be significantly higher. What happens if the tenant flushes cement mix down the toilet when they get evicted?

Also, what constitutes a "full rehab"? You can't do a kitchen, bathroom, all new paint and flooring for $20k. 

Have you ever estimated rehab costs before? We could just be thinking of two different things, but I don't think your numbers are going to be correct.

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  • Property Manager · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 197 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    Hey @Tim West, 

    What city are the properties in? 
    Do you have access to the properties? If so, I always recommend not ball parking the Repair Values. Getting a trained eye on the property could show you are high or low. Unless you have experience bidding jobs like this, doing a little more due diligence may go a long way to making a potential buyer more confident in moving forward. Obviously this post isn't a full analysis or anything, but I'd want to see hard numbers. 
    And this might just be me, but the scope of work needs to come from the ARV comps, particularly the most accurate one. Using appraisers to build your reno plan is the smartest thing you can do. Unless your dealing with multi-offer or cash end-user buyers, the appraiser's opinion is what matters most here for the ARV.  

    However, strictly on the numbers you provided, it looks okay, except I don't see estimated holding or closing costs in the mix, and those numbers are at play here. If you're going to present to an investor, the better picture you can present the better! Best of luck! 

  • Real Estate Investor · Bonney Lake, WA - Washington · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 35 votes
    9y

    @James Marszalek These properties are in Tacoma proper, and on Property #1 I definitely have access, and I took a good amount of pictures of the interior to show any interested buyer the current state. The buyer would certainly have access to bring in their own team for estimates, as mine are strictly based upon a per square foot average. I do appreciate where you are coming from, and yes I am dealing strictly with Cash Buyers. Property #2 I have more work to do on, as I have to gain access to see the inside, which with it being occupied is always a challenge. Once I can see the interior, I'll have a better idea of what the scope will be. Property #1 is ready right now to go under contract, and then any interested buyer would have an opportunity to do a full inspection and contractor review to confirm their repair costs. (Truly, this property could be jut cleaned up a bit and then rented as is if someone was looking to buy and hold, since the inside isn't trashed, other than needing to be painted due to some graffiti on the walls). I appreciate the feedback James, and I agree with your comments.

  • Property Manager · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 197 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    Sounds great! Just wanted to ensure your bases are covered. 

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    Property #1 leaves $35k to sell and take profits out. I don't think that's enough.

    Property 2 has better numbers presented here, but if they've got a tenant in there who hasn't paid rent in more than a year, those type people aren't inclined to leave the property in nice condition... I think your rehab costs are going to be significantly higher. What happens if the tenant flushes cement mix down the toilet when they get evicted?

    Also, what constitutes a "full rehab"? You can't do a kitchen, bathroom, all new paint and flooring for $20k. 

    Have you ever estimated rehab costs before? We could just be thinking of two different things, but I don't think your numbers are going to be correct.

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    That last part sounds rude. I don't mean it to be rude.

    Also if you are looking for feedback on your numbers, this is fine. If you wish to market this property, you can only do that in the Marketplace forum. 

    There is no advertising allowed in the regular forums.

    Thanks!

  • Real Estate Investor · Bonney Lake, WA - Washington · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 35 votes
    9y

    @Mindy Jensen No worries, I didn't take it that way, and honest feedback is why I put this post to begin with. You're absolutely right on Property #2, as there are definitely many risks associated with non-paying renters, which is what I need to do more legwork on. I am working to meet the tenants, and to hopefully get an idea of their situation, as there may be something I can do to assist them through the transition. They are getting either bought out or foreclosed on, and either way will have to go somewhere. I just try to be compassionate and hopefully can assist making that transition more controllable versus an abrupt eviction.

    Regarding the estimates, I leave that mostly to the buyer, as they are the ones that will have the vision and budget to determine if my Rehab costs are accurate or not. My "full rehab" comment is basically to bring the property to restoration that would demand the average ARV based upon the comps. Certainly, if you do a full gut and renovate the kitchen and bathrooms 100%, then you definitely could pay more, but you would also be able to demand more. That is why I would want the buyer to make their own estimates against these numbers.

    I appreciate your feedback, and certainly will take your thoughts and comments into consideration as I determine whether I want to bring one or both of these under contract.

  • Real Estate Investor · Bonney Lake, WA - Washington · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 35 votes
    9y

    @Mindy Jensen Definitely not marketing here, just running the numbers by the pros. Once I get under contract, then I'll use those outlets and many others to market. 

  • Tacoma, WA · Member since 2010 · 203 posts · 93 votes
    9y

    @Tim West

    Provided your numbers are correct they are okish deals. Deal 1 is pretty skinny with a 55k spread. Deal 2 is a little better. 

    Agree that rehab numbers sound pretty light for a full rehab. You'd be better off line iteming out the rehab expenses to generate an estimate vs any sort of sqft based estimate. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Bonney Lake, WA - Washington · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 35 votes
    9y

    Thanks @Bryan R.! I appreciate the feedback, and I will look to line item the rehab costs when I go to market these. It sounds like having a contractor come in and give me some real numbers would probably give me the most accurate costs and put the buyer more at ease with the scope of work.

  • Real Estate Agent · Buena Park, CA · Member since 2016 · 743 posts · 424 votes
    9y
    Straight talk from me.Deal #1 is a loser.2 bedrooms on second floor and no bathroom? Unacceptable.The second floor needs to be redesigned to add a master bathroom or a Jack in Jill bathroom depending on space available.I'm guessing the kitchen and first floor bathroom needs replacing or at least major redecorating.Paint inside and out.Your rehab costs are closer to 50k or more if the roof and electrical needs repairs as well due to age and deterioration.Again,I am guessing at it because I haven't seen it.Deal #2 is another potential problem with a deadbeat tenant not wanting to leave their free home.The inside is probably trashed and needs a gut job.No way I buy it with the tenants still in there.Getting them out should be at the sellers expense.Another 50k rehab or more.No garage really stinks too.How is the parking situation? Parking on street only or exposed driveway?Either way it devalues the property.I say renegotiate for a much lower price to account for the actual rehabilitation costs or let them both go.
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