What to motivated sellers want more than anything?

What to motivated sellers want more than anything?

Realtor · Evansville, IN · Member since 2008 · 55 posts · 10 votes

An immediate offer and someone to buy their house now.

So with this in mind I have been contemplating a new marketing plan.

I want to market something to the effect of "Get an offer on your house in 10 minutes." This could be used for craigslist marketing, direct mail, etc.

The "Get an offer" would direct the seller to a page on my website where they would enter their information. The key to the website is that the seller will also be asked for their estimated value of home, low and high. The page will also ask for estimated repairs needed, low and high. When they "submit" the form a calculator will take the low home value and multiply it by 60% and then subtract the high repair value to come up with the "offer".

Of course there will be other questions such as contact info, mortgage balance, liens, house specifics, etc. There will also be a disclaimer that offers are subject to verification of information submitted.

So has anyone here built a page like this? Suggestions and comments are welcome! Anyone want to work on this project together?

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Real Estate Investor · Alpharetta, GA · Member since 2010 · 415 posts · 484 votes
15y

I think this filtering (or lead-scoring) approach is good only if you have so many leads coming in that you can't handle them all personally.

Also, I would be apprehensive about using customer-derived data to make offers sight unseen. As has been stated, people tend to overvalue their houses and underestimate the repair costs.

Plus, there's a big difference between a number on a screen and a live person with a contract and a checkbook in his hand. A $60,000 offer on a computer monitor doesn't really carry the same problem-solving weight as a person who is prepared to sign on the dotted line right now.

The other thing I think a lot of buyers forget is that this really is a relationship business. I've seen a number of buyers talk and look down on their sellers. I don't ever do that because those sellers are my customers.

When I walk a property and talk to the seller, I'm asking questions about them personally, and I'm telling them about myself and my family. I make it plain that I'm a working man who does this to pay bills -- to feed my son. By the time I'm done writing the contract, the seller is often the one who thinks he's helping ME out, especially if it's an older person or couple. They know they're leaving money on the table, and they simply don't care.

I don't see how you could ever hope to replicate that sort of experience on a Web site.

Again, though, if you've got a way to get a couple hundred leads a day and you need to get to the soft, chewy center of the handful who are OK with your wholesale pricing, that's what lead-scoring is all about.

As with all marketing, there's only one way to know for sure. Test, test, test...

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  • Real Estate Investor · NC · Member since 2010 · 28 posts · 31 votes
    15y

    Hey Casey!

    That sounds like a great idea. I am pretty good with making the webpage, I'm not too sure about how to put together the actual calculator and have it work in the background to spit out the "offer." I would be willing to test it for/with you and work with you on it as well.

  • Electrical Contractor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2011 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    15y

    Well, I wouldn't ask the homeowner to estimate anything. You'll find its built of gold and its in perfect condition and they just polished to garage floor.
    You want to ask very basic info, address, what the payoff is (not what is owed), how soon do they plan to move, are they behind on payments. Once you have the address, you go to the county records and look up all the other info. Then you ask them for a meeting to see the place and give them an offer in person in 10 minutes after you evaluate the place.
    I suggest you that if your insistant on the immediate initial offering then cover your legal butt. This is only an estimate type thing, not an offer...etc.
    I'm not being rogue, but why would you have to owner tell you about repairs or the value? He/she could be a baker or whatever and not know an in wall leak from a screwdriver. Homeowners ignore many issues they have out of ignorance and its their palace, its worth a million if its worth a dollar. To you its a bunch of wood with a door. So its personal from their perspective, be careful.

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    Interesting approach, but is it much different than all those "we buy houses" set-ups? I'm sure sellers that contact those dealers get an offer pretty soon as well, then are sorely disappointed at the offer price.

    I would suggest there's more to finding a great buy than simply price. What if a super-motivated seller owns the house outright? They may not budge on the price much, but what if they're willing to carry a great deal of the financing? You certainly wouldn't want to risk chasing them away with a low-ball offer.

    If you can design the web page to accurately determine the nature of the motivated seller, you may be onto something big.

  • David RobertsonBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2010 · 758 posts · 780 votes
    15y

    Casey,

    I have used the website Weebly.com to create my website. It is a free website creator program that has many features including a form creator which allows you to create online forms to be filled out by visitors to your webpage. I would recommend you at least check out the site. It is free and very easy to use!

    Ps. I am in no way, shape or form associated with weebly.com, just a fairly satisfied customer.

    FlipperForce
  • David RobertsonBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2010 · 758 posts · 780 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by David Robertson:
    Casey,

    I have used the website Weebly.com to create my website. It is a free website creator program that has many features including a form creator which allows you to create online forms to be filled out by visitors to your webpage. I would recommend you at least check out the site. It is free and very easy to use!

    Ps. I am in no way, shape or form associated with weebly.com, just a fairly satisfied customer.

    Here's an example from my website that shows the forms. I am currently using it as a feedback form from visitors. You can manipulate your form to ask all the questions you have above.

    [REMOVED]

    FlipperForce
  • Sharad M.Pro Member
    Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    Really interesting idea, but I will agree with Mitch that you don't want to offend any owner who owns the property free and clear by making a low ball offer.

  • Realtor · Evansville, IN · Member since 2008 · 55 posts · 10 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Max I:
    Really interesting idea, but I will agree with Mitch that you don't want to offend any owner who owns the property free and clear by making a low ball offer.

    What I'm hearing is if a property owner owns their property free and clear you would offer them more money for it? I belief is that when you get away from the formula is when you run into trouble.

    I believe that the bigger picture of this marketing campaign is being missed by some. The goal is to bring in seller leads that you would have been missing in the past. Even if the offer is too low for the seller you can still meet with them and negotiate.

    Put yourself in the shoes of a motivated seller. They see an add that states "We buy houses for cash" but do they call? Maybe. They see an add that states "Get an offer for your house in 10 minutes", do they call? Probably. It's all about the conversion.

    I have been using a website called craigslistadtracker.com (no affiliation) to monitor my current buyers list campaign and it is a very good tool. Once this is up and running I can post the results of a "We buy houses for cash" vs. "Get an offer on your home in 10 minutes" campaign.

    David- I have used weebly.com before but I don't remember liking it even if it's free. Do you know if you can create a form that has a built in calculator? Does it produce a HTML form code?

    I appreciate everyone's input!

  • Real Estate Investor · Alpharetta, GA · Member since 2010 · 415 posts · 484 votes
    15y

    I think this filtering (or lead-scoring) approach is good only if you have so many leads coming in that you can't handle them all personally.

    Also, I would be apprehensive about using customer-derived data to make offers sight unseen. As has been stated, people tend to overvalue their houses and underestimate the repair costs.

    Plus, there's a big difference between a number on a screen and a live person with a contract and a checkbook in his hand. A $60,000 offer on a computer monitor doesn't really carry the same problem-solving weight as a person who is prepared to sign on the dotted line right now.

    The other thing I think a lot of buyers forget is that this really is a relationship business. I've seen a number of buyers talk and look down on their sellers. I don't ever do that because those sellers are my customers.

    When I walk a property and talk to the seller, I'm asking questions about them personally, and I'm telling them about myself and my family. I make it plain that I'm a working man who does this to pay bills -- to feed my son. By the time I'm done writing the contract, the seller is often the one who thinks he's helping ME out, especially if it's an older person or couple. They know they're leaving money on the table, and they simply don't care.

    I don't see how you could ever hope to replicate that sort of experience on a Web site.

    Again, though, if you've got a way to get a couple hundred leads a day and you need to get to the soft, chewy center of the handful who are OK with your wholesale pricing, that's what lead-scoring is all about.

    As with all marketing, there's only one way to know for sure. Test, test, test...

  • David RobertsonBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2010 · 758 posts · 780 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Casey Spivey:
    Originally posted by Max I:

    David- I have used weebly.com before but I don't remember liking it even if it's free. Do you know if you can create a form that has a built in calculator? Does it produce a HTML form code?

    I appreciate everyone's input!

    I'm not sure if you can create an automated calculator based on the information that is input into the form. This sounds like some difficult code that I am not well versed on; that is why I use weebly because you don't have to know code. However, you can create custom html if you know how to do this.

    It may be easier to just create a spreadsheet and manually input this information into the spreadsheet. Personally, I wouldn't trust an automated calculator to completely analyze my deals. Common sense, experience, and intuition is something that a calculator cannot use to create a reasonable offer price. I would create a separate spreadsheet, input the data by hand, use the spreadsheet as a guide and adjust the offer price as you see fit based on your experience.

    FlipperForce
  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Casey Spivey:
    An immediate offer and someone to buy their house now.

    So with this in mind I have been contemplating a new marketing plan.

    I want to market something to the effect of "Get an offer on your house in 10 minutes." This could be used for craigslist marketing, direct mail, etc.

    The "Get an offer" would direct the seller to a page on my website where they would enter their information. The key to the website is that the seller will also be asked for their estimated value of home, low and high. The page will also ask for estimated repairs needed, low and high. When they "submit" the form a calculator will take the low home value and multiply it by 60% and then subtract the high repair value to come up with the "offer".

    Of course there will be other questions such as contact info, mortgage balance, liens, house specifics, etc. There will also be a disclaimer that offers are subject to verification of information submitted.

    So has anyone here built a page like this? Suggestions and comments are welcome! Anyone want to work on this project together?

    Are you referring to a squeeze page?

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Casey Spivey:
    I believe that the bigger picture of this marketing campaign is being missed by some. The goal is to bring in seller leads that you would have been missing in the past. Even if the offer is too low for the seller you can still meet with them and negotiate.

    You have a good point Casey. Getting your customers through your "door" is 90% of the battle. But once they're there, it's critical to keep them. That why I agree with others that leaving a real estate analysis to an automated piece of software is risky. You don't want your business to earn the reputation that it's a waste of time for serious sellers.

    Bill: "Hey Mary, I heard about this web site that will generate an offer for your house in 10 minutes!"

    Mary: "Yeah, I tried it. I told them my house was worth $200,000 and they offered me $140k. No thanks."

    Now, granted, some desperate sellers would like to see something, anything, for their house. But automatically offering 60% of a perceived value may filter out a lot of other good opportunities that are available.

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Casey Spivey:
    What I'm hearing is if a property owner owns their property free and clear you would offer them more money for it?

    Not necessarily. If the seller owns the property free and clear AND is willing to finance all or a portion of the purchase, THAT makes the property more valuable.

    What good is a low price if you can't get financing for the purchase (unless you're wholesaling it)? If the seller is willing to carry a note, and that makes the difference between acquiring the property or not, then yeah, it's worth paying a little more for me.

  • Real Estate Investor · West Covina, CA · Member since 2009 · 35 posts · 5 votes
    15y

    Paul is right on the nose. You have to get to know people first. Everyones so involved in getting systems to do everything for them... when a mechanicl or electronic sales machine is nothing like face to face or when not posible a few hours on the phone with them.

    Buying a house is easy. Its 1 formula used over and over... its getting the prospects is what our business is all about. Get Dan Kennedys "The ultimate Sales letter". its about $9.50 online and you can download it.

    Put your self in the sellers shoes for a few days and think about what they really want.

    If i had a house and im in a possition that i needed out pronto, im not going to listen to someone who puts a value on my home in 10 minutes especially if ive owned it, raised my family here and taken care of it for years. Think about it!

  • Flipper · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 973 posts · 679 votes
    15y

    If you have the form, you could code it in Javascript pretty easily. Should you? That's another question.

    I tend to agree that the instant number might frighten some people, but I have an idea. If you look to offer 60%-rehab, why not program the site to show an offer at 55%-rehab? They get a number they won't like, but you get two things:

    1) A lead! You have all the contact information for someone who really wants to sell there home.
    2) A conversation starter. If you find a lead that sounds good, you can call them and say something to the effect of "I saw that our automated system offered you blank, but I'd love to discuss your situation because I may be able to offer more for YOUR home." Then they feel special and you can negotiate.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    15y

    "What do motivated sellers want more than anything?" A solution to their problems/needs.

    The forumula is simple. Find out what the homeseller's problem is and find a solution for that problem. many people get paid very well for solving problems.

  • SFR Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Will Barnard:
    Find out what the homeseller's problem is and find a solution for that problem. many people get paid very well for solving problems.

    "A problem well defined is a problem half solved."

    Make sure the web site, your telephone conversation, your meeting, etc. gets to the crux of the problem. Otherwise your formula, algorithm, solution is just shooting in the dark. Garbage in, garbage out.

  • Realtor · Evansville, IN · Member since 2008 · 55 posts · 10 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Marc Freislinger:
    I tend to agree that the instant number might frighten some people, but I have an idea. If you look to offer 60%-rehab, why not program the site to show an offer at 55%-rehab? They get a number they won't like, but you get two things:

    1) A lead! You have all the contact information for someone who really wants to sell there home.
    2) A conversation starter. If you find a lead that sounds good, you can call them and say something to the effect of "I saw that our automated system offered you blank, but I'd love to discuss your situation because I may be able to offer more for YOUR home." Then they feel special and you can negotiate.

    Exactly! With the right form you will have all the information you need to decide how to proceed. The main objective is to bring in leads for wholesale deals. If the seller wants/requires 90% of their value then it wouldn't be a good wholesale deal in the first place. Where you drive the deal after that is up to you.

    Of course the 60% can be changed to whatever number you want but that's the number I use on my wholesale deals. If you want to do 70% then that's totally up to you. In my market I'm dealing with properties under $60k so a 10% variance is not as large as a $200-$300k price range.

    Obviously I am all for this and some are not. That's perfectly fine with me. I want to move forward with the project. I've got a seller's lead form that I use on a daily basis and I could base my "offer page" off of it or tone it down. If anyone has a list of questions to be asked on the page I would love to hear them.

  • Realtor · Evansville, IN · Member since 2008 · 55 posts · 10 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Mr_Investor:

    Are you referring to a squeeze page?

    Yes, but just slightly more involved.

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