Who to Use for Umbrella Insurance Policy for 20+ Properties?

Who to Use for Umbrella Insurance Policy for 20+ Properties?

Durham, NC · Member since 2014 · 104 posts · 68 votes

Hi BP, I have over 20 properties, most in my personal name but a few in an LLC. I want to get an umbrella policy to cover all of these properties on top of the $1,000,000 liability I already have on each property. My insurance guy is great and has gotten me quotes based on 1 million all the way up to 5 million of umbrella insurance, with the cost ranging from $828/year for the 1 million policy to $2,579/year for the 5 million policy. However, this company only lets you go up to 28 total property locations, and I am soon (within the next year) going to be beyond that and thus will have to be looking for another umbrella policy.

A few notes, his quotes includes being able to put both the properties in my personal name and in the LLC BOTH into just 1 general umbrella policy, which is what I want, but I know a lot of places don't want to do that. I just talked to Amica and Geico, and they laughed when I told them I had 20 properties and wanted an umbrella. They both said their umbrella goes up to 4 rental properties (how weak!). I don't mind moving my car insurance over to the umbrella carrier if I have to.

Based on what I see a lot of people state they are paying for umbrellas per year on BP, my quotes seem high so I thought I would run it past the BP community. The quote prices, plus me being limited to 28 total property locations, has me searching for a better option. Thanks for any info!

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Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
9y

@Jason Bott found me an excellent policy through SENECA.

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  • Patti RobertsonBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    I have more than that on a portfolio policy with brethren mutual. 

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2014 · 104 posts · 68 votes
    9y

    Hi Patty, thanks!  Unfortunately it looks like your company only provides coverage in Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania.

  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    I just switched Umbrella policies because my old carrier only insured 4 "doors" not buildings. New place insures 30 units. Not sure if that is doors or buildings but their name is PersonalUmbrella.com I got them through my wonderful insurance broker here in NJ. 

  • Investor · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2015 · 47 posts · 19 votes
    9y

    I'm assuming the class is commercial umbrella policy? 

    curious if you checked with State farm, i have them for most of my stuff but I don't have a commercial umbrella policy yet.

  • Jason G.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 434 posts · 495 votes
    9y

    @Aaron Smith, just a little curious, but if you do not have a current umbrella policy, what is your auto policy coverage?  Remember that in the event you are in a motor vehicle accident, if it results in a judgment beyond your automotive policy the plaintiff can go after your assets.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2014 · 104 posts · 68 votes
    9y

    I have Erie for everything (all of my auto, life, my primary residence, and all of the rentals in my name).  Their rates cannot be beat.  However, they don't do umbrellas, thus my issue.

  • Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
    9y

    @Jason Bott found me an excellent policy through SENECA.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2014 · 104 posts · 68 votes
    8y

    upping this to see if anyone else knows of someone.

  • Insurance Agent · Beaver Falls, PA · Member since 2016 · 126 posts · 84 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Aaron Smith:

    upping this to see if anyone else knows of someone.

    Aaron,

    The company I use most for those with more than a few investment properties is PersonalUmbrella.com.  They will cover up to 30 units in North Carolina.

    - Casey

  • Yonah WeissPro Member
    Cost Segregation Expert and Investor · Lakewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Aaron Smith:

    upping this to see if anyone else knows of someone.

    I have a great insurance broker. He is directly appointed by over 40 A-rated Insurance Companies. Please PM me if you want his info.

  • Member since 2020 · 33 posts · 10 votes
    5y

    Hi All - Bumping this if anyone has any suggestions on a good commercial umbrella policy that could cover 2 or 3 LLCs where each LLC is holding 2 or 3 duplexes.

  • Joshua WattsPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Chattanooga · Member since 2018 · 137 posts · 142 votes
    5y

    I would take a look at The American Insurance Company @Keith Rocha and @Jack Smith. I have one commercial umbrella policy for single family homes, duplex, triplex, quadplex, apartments, and self storage. It is for 5 million if I remember correctly 

  • Insurance Agent · Norwalk, CT · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Aaron,

    The quotes do not seem that high.  Remember, the policy is covering over 20+ units.  The suggestion of PersonalUmbrella. com is a good one to get a comparison.  Other companies that do the umberella without the underlying coverage (auto, home, rental dwellings,..) that may be able to quote are USLI & RLI.  

  • Insurance Agent · Maumelle, AR · Member since 2015 · 131 posts · 41 votes
    5y

    Aaron,  Are all the properties in NC?  All single family?

  • Rental Property Investor · Clarksville, TN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Victor Lee:

    Hi All - Bumping this if anyone has any suggestions on a good commercial umbrella policy that could cover 2 or 3 LLCs where each LLC is holding 2 or 3 duplexes.

    Do you have three LLC's for asset protection? If the properties are in different LLC's for asset protection, sharing an insurance policy seems like it would support the argument that the LLC's are materially one company and might nullify the asset protection you are seeking?

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