Scared to invest outside of ND

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Scared to invest outside of ND

Keaton VolsPro Member
Investor · Member since 2023 · 52 posts · 30 votes

I am a young investor with one house hack currently. Deals around my area don't seem to be the best. But I am uneasy to invest outside of my region. If you guys have any tips on the ins and outs or suggestions Id appreciate it

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Nicholas L.Pro Member
Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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@Keaton Vols

no reason to go outside your area - why not stay local?  deals aren't going on trees anywhere right now

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  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Keaton Vols

    no reason to go outside your area - why not stay local?  deals aren't going on trees anywhere right now

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  • Wale LawalBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Houston | Dallas | Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Keaton Vols

    You're already ahead of the game with one house hack under your belt—well done! It’s completely normal to feel uneasy about out-of-area investing at first, but success comes from building a solid local team (agent, property manager, contractor) and really understanding the market data before jumping in. Start by focusing on just one out-of-state city, learn its neighborhoods, rent trends, and landlord laws. DM me and I’ll point you in the right direction with market suggestions and connections to help you feel more confident expanding your portfolio.

    Good luck!

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  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    What is the reason why you're not considering investing in your local market? What are you looking for that ND does not provide?

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  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    @Keaton Vols I know out of state investing seems popular right  now. However it means higher risk and higher cost. 

    The best deals go to the investors who know their market the best. It is a lot easier to learn a market near you. 

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  • Jimmy LieuBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Quote from @Keaton Vols:

    I am a young investor with one house hack currently. Deals around my area don't seem to be the best. But I am uneasy to invest outside of my region. If you guys have any tips on the ins and outs or suggestions Id appreciate it

    Hey Keaton, welcome to BP and props to you for getting that first house hack under your belt — that’s a huge step and not something most people your age are doing! Totally hear you on being uneasy about out-of-state investing. It can definitely feel intimidating at first, but with the right systems and team in place, it becomes way more manageable. I actually moved from Portland to Columbus, Ohio back in 2020 to start investing and now own 10+ rentals here. What’s made it work — especially for out-of-state investors I work with — is building a strong local team: investor-friendly agent, reliable property manager, contractor, and a good lender. Once you trust your team and have clear buy criteria (like rent-to-price ratio, neighborhoods, school zones, etc.), you don’t need to be there in person for every step.

    If you’re looking for a place to get started, Columbus is worth a serious look. You can still find deals in the $130K–$180K range that hit the 1% rule, it’s landlord-friendly, and there’s strong rent and population growth with massive investments from companies like Intel, Amazon, Google, and Honda. I’d recommend picking 1–2 cities, researching them deeply, and networking with other investors or agents who are active there — it’ll give you a lot more confidence when it comes time to pull the trigger. Happy to connect and answer any questions you have!

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  • Anthony L Amos Jr
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus | Toledo · Member since 2019 · 607 posts · 768 votes
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    Quote from @Keaton Vols:

    I am a young investor with one house hack currently. Deals around my area don't seem to be the best. But I am uneasy to invest outside of my region. If you guys have any tips on the ins and outs or suggestions Id appreciate it


    I would suggest investing somewhere you are familiar with. Maybe you have family in another area that's more affordable, maybe another market is within a couple of hours driving distance from you, etc. This can ease some of the fears you have, and eventually you'll be comfortable investing anywhere. 

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  • Bernice RetzloffPro Member
    Memphis, TN · Member since 2024 · 234 posts · 100 votes
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    Hi @Keaton Vols!

    Nice job getting that first house hack under your belt! That’s a huge step, and it gives you a solid foundation to build from. Totally get being uneasy about out-of-state investing. It’s a big shift, but tons of investors make it work with the right setup. The key is picking one solid market and building a reliable local team (agent, property manager, contractor if needed). Look for areas with landlord-friendly laws, affordable entry points, and consistent rental demand! Places like Memphis are great for that. You can find renovated rentals under $150K that cash flow and come with property management baked in, which makes the remote piece much easier. Start by analyzing deals weekly in one market and connecting with investor-friendly pros there. You’ll build confidence quickly. You’ve already done the hardest part by getting started! Now it’s just about scaling smart!

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  • Melissa JusticeBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2024 · 518 posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Keaton Vols,

    Hey and congrats on your house hack! That’s a huge step and shows you’re already thinking like an investor. It’s totally normal to feel uneasy about out-of-state deals, but with the right system and team, it can absolutely work.

    Why Go Out-of-State?
    * Better cash flow and affordability (especially in markets like Indianapolis, Birmingham, or Citrus Springs, FL)
    * More landlord-friendly laws
    * You can treat it like a business and stay hands-off with the right team

    Tips to Get Comfortable:
    1. Pick a solid market -job growth, population growth, good rent-to-price ratios.
    2. Build a strong local team - investor-friendly agent + reliable property manager is key.
    3. Run conservative numbers - make sure it cash flows with management and vacancy factored in.
    4. Start with rent-ready or turnkey properties - less risk and easier for your first out-of-state buy.

    You’ve already got momentum, so now it’s about scaling smart. 

    Always here to chat more and process strategy! 

    Best of luck, 

    Melissa

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  • Sam B.
    Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 270 posts · 217 votes
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    Quote from @Keaton Vols:

    I am a young investor with one house hack currently. Deals around my area don't seem to be the best. But I am uneasy to invest outside of my region. If you guys have any tips on the ins and outs or suggestions Id appreciate it

    My suggestion is to not invest outside of your region.

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  • Kerlous TadresBusiness Member
    Realtor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Hey Keaton, out-of-state investing can be a great way to diversify and find better deals. I would recommend starting by focusing on markets with strong rental demand and job growth. Do your research to understand the local economy and rental rates. It's also crucial to build a reliable team of property managers, contractors, and agents who are experienced in working with out-of-state investors. I’d suggest taking small steps at first, like starting with a single-family rental or a small multi-family property, to get comfortable with the process.

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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    @Keaton Vols

    Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location/neighborhoods to invest in.

    Why is Property Class so important for investors to understand and apply in their investing strategies?

    Because the Property Class dictates the Class of the tenant pool that the property will attract.

    The Tenant Class greatly impacts rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

    Both Property Class and Tenant Class affect what type of contractors, handymen and property management companies will work on a property.

    If you buy & renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what Tenant Class will rent it?

    Or, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A four-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

    So, if you fail to apply the correct assumptions to a property, your expectations won’t be met and it may even be a financial disaster.

    We use the following to rank Property Classes, in order of importance:

    • Property Tenant Pool: closely linked to location, but not always.
    • Property Location: closely linked to tenant pool, but not always.
    • Property Condition & Amenities: it’s important to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood.”

    Key metrics for each Property Class:

    Class A Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 680+, no convictions/evictions in last 7 years.
    Tenant Default: 0-5% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class A rents are too high and won’t be approved.
    Vacancies: 5-10%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class B Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 620-680, some blemishes, no convictions/evictions in last 5 years.
    Tenant Default    : 5-10% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Vacancies    : 10-15%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 1-3 years for positive cashflow, balanced amounts of relative rent & value appreciation.
    Section 8: Class B rents are usually too high for the Section 8 program.

    Class C Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 3 years. Verifying recent 2-years of rental history very important! Same for 2-years of job/income stability.
    Tenant Default: 10-20% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class C rents usually meet program requirements, proper screening still recommended.
    Vacancies: 10-20%, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Should cashflow immediately, at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class D Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 12 months. Verifying last 2-years of rental history and income/employment extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.
    Tenant Default: 20-30% probability of eviction or early lease termination.

    Section 8: Class D rents meet program requirements, often challenges to pass Section 8 inspection.
    Vacancies: 20%+, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation.

    Where did we get our FICO credit score information from?

    Check out this chart:

    FICO Score

    Pct of Population

    Default Probability

    800 or more

    13.00%

    1.00%

    750-799

    27.00%

    1.00%

    700-749

    18.00%

    4.40%

    650-699

    15.00%

    8.90%

    600-649

    12.00%

    15.80%

    550-599

    8.00%

    22.50%

    500-549

    5.00%

    28.40%

    Less than 499

    2.00%

    41.00%

    Source: Fair Isaac Company

    Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

    Metro Detroit has 132 cities, the City of Detroit 183 Neighborhoods, which we’re analyzing and classifying. Check out the map on our website where we’ve made this all easy to follow.

    We can also share numerous examples of properties & portfolios we’ve assisted investors with!

    DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!

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  • Bill B.
    Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    Without a competitive advantage how are you going to do better in that "foreign" market than the one you know? I assume you aren't close enough to SD border to consider investing there to avoid the state income tax. If you don't have friends/relatives who KNOW real estate, not just live there. Keep scouring your market for a new house hack and rent out your spot in your old house hack after you've lived there a year. Only a STR investor can even consider paying more for a property than a house hacker, competition shouldn't be your issue. Just wait for the good deal, make opportune offers, and get the better deal by being the buyer that doesn't HAVE to buy. Good luck.

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  • Kate Sanchez
    Member since 2025 · 242 posts · 98 votes
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    @Keaton Vols  First out of state deal is the toughest. Build a solid local team, start small, and lean on markets with strong fundamentals and landlord laws. Goodluck!

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  • Joe HammelBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit, MI · Member since 2018 · 612 posts · 666 votes
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    Investing out of state can definitely feel intimidating. Having a househack under your belt already is huge, and it sounds like you’re already taking the right steps to educate yourself before taking this leap.

    When it comes to building your team it comes down to your own due diligence. Once you pick a market, you’ll be able to look more into specific people/companies there. One thing you can do is find a local investor group after choosing your market and ask people in that group for feedback on anyone you’re thinking of working with.

    As you’re researching markets, it really depends on what your strategy and goals are. For example, if you’re looking for immediate cashflow vs longterm appreciation vs sweat equity, then that will help determine what market will fit your needs the best.

    Anyway, here is some info we put together on the suburbs of Detroit that seems to help when OOS investors are trying to decide on which market to invest in:

    Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, solid ROI, and yes plenty appreciation. (#1 appreciating city 2023)

    I personally make well over $100k/yr cash flow from my portfolio here. All of which, I’ve purchased within the last 5 years.

    There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

    1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

    2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

    If you do it right, it’s arguably the best market to invest.

    Purchase: $80k-$130k

    Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

    1% rule: .9%-1.4% rule deals

    Coc ROI: 4-12%

    Total ROI: 20-40%

    Cash flow: $50-$250/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

    Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

    Location: C+, B-

    These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

    We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

    The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those.

    We have found what works and repeat it as much as funds allow.

    Detroit has one the highest rent to price ratios in the country…and we focus on the best balance of price/location within the area.

    Here is a picture of my portfolio if you/anyone is curious.

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  • Marc RiceBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Out-of-state investing will need a good team of a GC, PM, a local agent and a lender. Happy to share my contacts!

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