Hello BP investors,
I haven't seen any recent postings about Pace Morby's Sub To Mentoship program and wanted to see if anyone can give their honest feedback about the program who's joined recently?
I noticed quite a few of the reviews were from dead accounts or 1 and done posters so I was a bit weary about the legitimacy. Being that the cost of the program is about $7800 (amount I gathered from other posts), I didn't want to to make a costly mistake. All feedback greatly appreciated.
@Chida Truong I am posting the private message that I sent to you with my thoughts about Pace Morby's Sub To Mentorship because @Joe S. seems to have an opinion on a mentorship that he is not part of - but I am. Hope this helps those of you who have questions about Sub To:
This program is worth every dime....IF you put in the work to find deals. The community Pace has built is amazing. There are 'daily dials' that are hosted by some of the group leaders and you practice cold calling under different scenarios (seller who has no pain, seller wants too much down, seller says they're too old to do owner finance/refi, etc).
There are daily Zooms on a variety of topics as wells just Q & A where Pace will answer any questions you have on anything you might be working on, etc. He's brought on his own attorney, another business owner who ensures if the 'due on sale' clause is triggered when buying subto that he takes care of all the paperwork with the bank and title if needed, etc.
The knowledge sharing is like no other. Pace is ALWAYS giving.... information, templates, scripts, free legal contracts he paid for that his attorneys have drawn up, etc. This is not one of those mentorships where you join and you never hear from the 'subject matter expert' again. I have Pace's phone number and his email and have corresponded with him through both.
This is a genuine mentorship that is more like family. You have a question that can't wait? Post it in the Sub To Facebook group and you will get numerous replies to help you. Found a deal but not sure what to do? - squad up with someone else in the subto group and they will make sure you successfully close it. One of the biggest things that Pace teaches is to give more than you take in the group and believe me, so many students offer to help those that have not closed their first deal yet, share information/lessons learned and also share their successes as well as their failures - because you can learn from both.
Also, this is a LIFETIME membership in a group that supports each other. Everyone in this mentorship wants you to succeed.
If you do decide to join, you can put my name and my email for $400 off the cost of the membership. Inbox me for the link as I don't think that is allowed here.
@Joe S. bigger and wiser than his time? You're kidding right? You think A & E would give him and Jamil their own show if they didn't know what they are doing? Check out season 1 called Triple Digit Flips.
Nathan you're doing God's work.
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I'm one of the students and member of the SubTo community with Pace Morby. I started 28 months ago, and my life has changed since then I ended up learning and doing what I love the most, fixing and flipping houses. I did 8 flips last year while still learning and 2 wholesales. Also, I created, a LatiNOS community within SubTo, where we learn and reinforce our knowledge in our native language, Spanish. The amount of education we receive in Pace's program has no limits and the membership it's for life. No monthly fees. The only thing you have to do it's take massive action and be a GO GIVER, like our mentor Pace is. Thank you SubTo, Thank you LatiNOS, Thank you Pace Morby. I love you all. ~Luz M Velasquez
I've been a student of the SubTo community for the last year and this mentorship has been above anything else. With all the changes in the market, the strategies taught by Pace have helped me to stay afloat and continue to grow my portfolio. When I first learned of the mentorship, I questioned joining cause of all the other mentorships out there that don't provide value. After speaking with a few members, I realized Pace is legit. Since joining the mentorship, I have learned more than I can imagine.
I've been a part of Pace Morby's SubTo Mentorship for a couple months now, and I can honestly say it's been an incredibly valuable experience. Not only have I learned a multitude of effective exit strategies, but I've also found an amazing and supportive community that continues to grow. The mentorship program has not only expanded my creative finance knowledge but has also provided me with the guidance into the real estate world I was looking for. It's the best investment I have made for my personal growth, and I highly recommend it to anyone considering it. The value I've received is well worth it!
I've got into Pace's comunity last year and bunch of good things happened during that time. I've meet new people who I could call a friends, business partners and that would most likely not happened if I wouldn't make my mind to join his community. It's not mentorship you're buying It's the community you're joining and have access to 24/7 FOREVER.
Hello,
I just want to say I was reluctant and confused at the beginning. There are just so many real estate mentorships out there and didn’t know which one was the best fit for me. I joined SUBTO and it has been the best decision. Pace Morby goes above and beyond of just showing you how to buy real estate and be an investor but also help the ppl that are in need. I love the mentorship and I believe it is worth every dollar.
Welcome to all the first-time posters!
I really don't mean to insult any of you, but everything you boast about in the SubTo community is available for free on BiggerPockets. In five years I purchased 33 rentals and 135 storage units, thanks to the education I gained for free on BiggerPockets. I've learned a lot, networked, built friendships, and even shared my knowledge with others. I have friends that are multi-millionaires thanks to the free knowledge they gained on BiggerPockets. I know quite a few REALTORS and property managers and CPAs and lenders that have built successful businesses through BiggerPockets. The podcasts are full of investors talking about how they built their portfolio through BiggerPockets and it was all free.
I've read dozens of SubTo "reviews" and they all talk about education and networking, but very few of them talk about actual purchases. I don't recall seeing a single SubTo member that has gained financial independence or become a multi-millionaire through the education and mentoring provided by Pace. Odd.
Did I mention BiggerPockets is free?
I see a lot of comments about SubTo and a lot of them are from people who are not members of the community and who appear to be making wide-ranging assumptions… some of them are very condescending regarding how much value your opinion is if you don’t have many posts/opinions. These mostly come from people with incredibly high comment numbers that make you wonder how they have any time to do anything besides lurk in the forums and comment on everything. I don’t spend much time on forums and sites because I get such a wide-range of value and experience from the SubTo community I often don’t need to look elsewhere – plus I have to actually work.
Which is another point – many of these comments appear to think that all the Subto community does is “subject to” transactions. That couldn’t be further from the truth! There is so much creative finanacing and deal-making in the community that it’s mind-blowing. However, as a community, we are the premier subject to transactionists (is that a word?)
I also see people who are not in our community make disparaging comments about the “cost” of joining the SubTo community. I’m in the second-hand business and about as cheap as they come. However, in looking at mentorships, clubs and associations to further my investment strategies, I found dozens of programs from $15K - $50K and more! Not only are these multiples the “cost” (price) of SubTo, you are only in for 6 months to 1 year. I suppose that may be enough time for full-time investors, but people trying to transition to financial freedom often have W2s or other obligations that make it take longer. SubTo is a lifetime membership. I often see people who joined 2 or 3 years ago who say that they finally got their first deal or first six figure check, etc. If they were out of the program/community in 1 year they may have never got there and may have given up since they were on their own. Not in SubTo.
A couple reasons I quote/unquote COST above is that one, for years I was very focused on the cost of things and in hindsight missed out on several opportunities because I was focusing on the wrong thing – I heard Pace say, “it’s not what it costs you, it’s what it makes you” on a zoom and it was a total mind-shift for me. I realized I had been tripping over dollars trying to pick up the pennies. I’ve been in SubTo for just over a year and I hate to think of the actual COST to my growth, network and networth had I NOT joined this community. This mentorship/membership is less expensive and more valuable than most mentorships – and the value keeps growing as more material and members join. Before I knew this, I made a calculated decision that the legal documents that Pace Morby provides and constantly updates for his community was worth the entire price of admission – everything else would be gravy. Little did I know what an impact the people would make in my life.
Additionally, people will say, “Oh, Pace makes all this money off selling the mentorship.” I’m not a mathematician, but I have been in the business world for decades… I doubt he makes a penny off the actual mentorship fee. I would have to guess that all of that (and maybe more) goes back into paying for staff and systems to support this ever-growing community. And if he was reliant on the mentorship money, he probably wouldn’t give so much training and info away for free every single day!
Finally, I just want to say to those who demand addresses, paperwork, etc. be posted in forums that we have nothing to prove to you. If you’re sincere in wanting to see those things, there are plenty of people in Pace’s community that would gladly show you one-on-one and even help you with a transaction. I think it’s ridiculous to expect people to post their private business in a public forum. On the other hand, Pace does it all the time on his Youtube and often those are public record (depending on the state) if you want to look them up.
Personally, I’d rather you not join our community. We don’t tolerate negative people and we have quite a large group of people from every background and industry. I’d be happy to keep it to ourselves – but then again, that wouldn’t be a very sharing and caring go-giver attitude now would it?! Thanks for hearing me out 😊
Sorry, forget to include the titles
I'm just curious if this ever gets talked about
Subject To & Wholesaling
Subject To - Attorney General sues couple AND their LLCs for equity skimming
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/1140730-subj...
Lessons learned from wholesale deal turned into lawsuit
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/363982-lesso...
...and you just added fuel to the fire. You create a new account and say a lot of words but don't give us any specifics about what you've learned or how it's helped accelerate your growth.
Pace has earned over $40,000,000 just from membership fees. He has lending companies, title companies, insurance companies, and many others, and they all generate money for him every time a SubTo member buys a deal. He has over a dozen affiliate companies that pay him every time a member uses their services. And Pace is finding most of his deals through his minions. They are literally paying him to work for him! I bet you've paid more than just a membership fee, particularly if you've done any deals.
Here's the most curious part of your review. You said, "I’m in the second-hand business and about as cheap as they come." I found your website, LinkedIn, and facebook page. All of them claim you have 20 years experience as a REALTOR, investor, and property manager. Why would you hide that and claim to be a small business owner? We just had the hottest market ever, you are in one of the fastest-growing markets in the country, so you should have made a lot of money these past 3-4 years. If you have 20 years experience as an investor, why can't you provide real-world data to show how Pace has helped you grow since joining SubTo?
We aren't negative people; we are responding negatively to the barrage of cult-like reviews.
...and you just added fuel to the fire. You create a new account and say a lot of words but don't give us any specifics about what you've learned or how it's helped accelerate your growth.
Pace has earned over $40,000,000 just from membership fees. He has lending companies, title companies, insurance companies, and many others, and they all generate money for him every time a SubTo member buys a deal. He has over a dozen affiliate companies that pay him every time a member uses their services. And Pace is finding most of his deals through his minions. They are literally paying him to work for him! I bet you've paid more than just a membership fee, particularly if you've done any deals.
Here's the most curious part of your review. You said, "I’m in the second-hand business and about as cheap as they come." I found your website, LinkedIn, and facebook page. All of them claim you have 20 years experience as a REALTOR, investor, and property manager. Why would you hide that and claim to be a small business owner? We just had the hottest market ever, you are in one of the fastest-growing markets in the country, so you should have made a lot of money these past 3-4 years. If you have 20 years experience as an investor, why can't you provide real-world data to show how Pace has helped you grow since joining SubTo?
We aren't negative people; we are responding negatively to the barrage of cult-like reviews.
...and you just added fuel to the fire. You create a new account and say a lot of words but don't give us any specifics about what you've learned or how it's helped accelerate your growth.
Pace has earned over $40,000,000 just from membership fees. He has lending companies, title companies, insurance companies, and many others, and they all generate money for him every time a SubTo member buys a deal. He has over a dozen affiliate companies that pay him every time a member uses their services. And Pace is finding most of his deals through his minions. They are literally paying him to work for him! I bet you've paid more than just a membership fee, particularly if you've done any deals.
Here's the most curious part of your review. You said, "I’m in the second-hand business and about as cheap as they come." I found your website, LinkedIn, and facebook page. All of them claim you have 20 years experience as a REALTOR, investor, and property manager. Why would you hide that and claim to be a small business owner? We just had the hottest market ever, you are in one of the fastest-growing markets in the country, so you should have made a lot of money these past 3-4 years. If you have 20 years experience as an investor, why can't you provide real-world data to show how Pace has helped you grow since joining SubTo?
We aren't negative people; we are responding negatively to the barrage of cult-like reviews.
...and you just added fuel to the fire. You create a new account and say a lot of words but don't give us any specifics about what you've learned or how it's helped accelerate your growth.
Pace has earned over $40,000,000 just from membership fees. He has lending companies, title companies, insurance companies, and many others, and they all generate money for him every time a SubTo member buys a deal. He has over a dozen affiliate companies that pay him every time a member uses their services. And Pace is finding most of his deals through his minions. They are literally paying him to work for him! I bet you've paid more than just a membership fee, particularly if you've done any deals.
Here's the most curious part of your review. You said, "I’m in the second-hand business and about as cheap as they come." I found your website, LinkedIn, and facebook page. All of them claim you have 20 years experience as a REALTOR, investor, and property manager. Why would you hide that and claim to be a small business owner? We just had the hottest market ever, you are in one of the fastest-growing markets in the country, so you should have made a lot of money these past 3-4 years. If you have 20 years experience as an investor, why can't you provide real-world data to show how Pace has helped you grow since joining SubTo?
We aren't negative people; we are responding negatively to the barrage of cult-like reviews.
Brand new schill account that tried to throw shade at some of the most respected investors in the country. If a brand new shill account immediately reverts to an ad hominem attack on well respected people, then I have little choice than to think that they are shilling for something potentially fraudulent.
Pace Morby and SubTo is the best real estate mentorship. I have been a student for over a year that the value that everyone provides is priceless.
Hello Chida,
I completely understand where you are coming from, To be honest, in the beginning, I was hesitant to join the mentorship too, mainly because of the high cost, I found Pace Morby on YouTube and I followed him and watched almost all of his videos, and I just got impressed of how much he give for free, so I just listened to my heart and decided to join on October 2022!
I cannot express with words how I feel!! Subto is not only a mentorship, but it is more than anything a Community! I have found countless hours of knowledge on how to master and be successful in each specific niche, either DTS, DTA, foreclosures, low equity, cash, creative, etc!!!
But besides all of that knowledge, we also have zooms where we receive so much support while also we make so valuable connections!! I can tell you that I finally found my people, like-minded individuals and we all have similar goals!!!
As of right now, I am pursuing my first deal, I finally After exploring multiple niches decided the path I want to follow, it is just a matter of time and consistency, and I have no doubt!!
Pace has changed so many lives (I say that because of all the testimonies from people that have been in subto since before I joined) People are making in 1 month what other people make in 1 year or even longer!!! Pace has definitely changed my life too! Even though I haven't closed on my first deal, just being part of this community has been a life changer and mindset changer for me!!
If you still are wondering if you should join, I would say definitely do it!! Money is a filter, and in this community, I have found such amazing connections and friends!! <3
Just curious why it took nearly a year to find your niche? For me, I'd rather find what method I want to do rather than shelling out money for something, then finding out if is for me or not.
About Pace Morby's Subto mentorship....... I've previously invested in several real estate mentorships, but none have come close to the depth and quality of Subto's training. I'm continually amazed by what Pace and his team bring to the table. Beyond the core curriculum, there's a wealth of bonus content and myriad opportunities to expand your real estate portfolio.
However, for newcomers, the sheer volume of options can be a tad overwhelming. While there's a foundational curriculum, the plethora of bonus content and activities can sometimes feel like a lot. But the Subto team excels in guiding you. They encourage members to identify their Avatar – essentially pinpointing the role or opportunity that suits them best. By focusing on one avenue at a time, you can truly harness the potential of the program.
In essence, Subto offers boundless opportunities for business growth, wealth accumulation, and financial independence. Choose your path, remain committed, and with the backing of this incredible community, success is within reach.
About Pace Morby's Subto mentorship....... I've previously invested in several real estate mentorships, but none have come close to the depth and quality of Subto's training. I'm continually amazed by what Pace and his team bring to the table. Beyond the core curriculum, there's a wealth of bonus content and myriad opportunities to expand your real estate portfolio.
However, for newcomers, the sheer volume of options can be a tad overwhelming. While there's a foundational curriculum, the plethora of bonus content and activities can sometimes feel like a lot. But the Subto team excels in guiding you. They encourage members to identify their Avatar – essentially pinpointing the role or opportunity that suits them best. By focusing on one avenue at a time, you can truly harness the potential of the program.
In essence, Subto offers boundless opportunities for business growth, wealth accumulation, and financial independence. Choose your path, remain committed, and with the backing of this incredible community, success is within reach.
I did see your bio, which is why I created my post. Why would you mention your second-hand store and that you don't have much money instead of your 20-year career as a REALTOR, investor, and property manager in one of the best markets in the country? You should have earned above-average income these last 20 years, but you tell people you run a second-hand store? Odd.
The real question is why you don't share specifics of how Pace helped you invest in real estate? How many investments do you own? How many houses have you flipped? Are you financially independent? Have you increased your income 20% since joining SubTo?
Telling us you've "joined a family" sounds like a cult. Telling us the contracts are worth the fee sounds like you got suckered because contracts don't cost that much through an attorney. If SubTo is truly changing lives, please write an actual review that shows what you learned and the tangible results of that education.
I joined last year. It’s been eye opening as someone who is new to real estate. I wanted to learn more of a niche concept that not everyone was doing and since I have done my first Subto/flip helping a family out of foreclosure. Very rewarding. As far as the content it’s loaded with gems. It’s a bit drawn out dialog but all in all I’ve made 10x my money in the first year. That isn’t always the case but I have been keep my head down learning. Not sure where you are starting from but it seems anyone has benefited who is willing to focus on an area for a period of time. Hope this helps.
Wow! I honestly do not know what to say other than how amazing Subto and the community is. It has single handedly been the most inspirational, educational, eye opening and informative content/experience that I have had in my life. The amount of content, support, time, energy, information that Pace and his team provides is invaluable. In my opinion, you honestly can’t put a dollar value to what Subto provides to you as long as you act on it. Cannot thank him and the Subto family enough!
I joined last year. It’s been eye opening as someone who is new to real estate. I wanted to learn more of a niche concept that not everyone was doing and since I have done my first Subto/flip helping a family out of foreclosure. Very rewarding. As far as the content it’s loaded with gems. It’s a bit drawn out dialog but all in all I’ve made 10x my money in the first year. That isn’t always the case but I have been keep my head down learning. Not sure where you are starting from but it seems anyone has benefited who is willing to focus on an area for a period of time. Hope this helps.
can you share the property addresses and case studies highlighting how you 10x your money
we call it put your money where your mouth is
I just hid another "review" from a user that directs people to her YouTube channel. Six posts in a couple hours, all in violation of the rules. She is a REALTOR and Pace Morby affiliate, so she gets paid every time someone joins the community through her link. I looked at her YouTube page and her BP profile and see no evidence she is an investor or that the SubTo program has helped her with investing.
Pace Morby's Subto mentorship is the best available. Not only will you have access to curriculum that teaches you the details about multiple different strategies, but you'll be in a community of people doing every piece of RE at a high level. The accountability groups, friendships, and partnerships that come from the community is where the value is at. Sure, you can learn about many of the RE methods on YouTube for free. But getting access to this community FOR LIFE is worth the price of entrance.
Additionally, the mentorship continues to get better over time. Since joining a year and a half ago, Pace has launched additional programs that cover topics such as social media presence, learning Transaction Coordination, and business acquisition. All of this comes at no additional cost, meaning the mentorship becomes more and more valuable with no more investment into it (other than your time).
These reviews are not fake. They're just from grateful students.
Pace Morby's Subto mentorship is the best available. Not only will you have access to curriculum that teaches you the details about multiple different strategies, but you'll be in a community of people doing every piece of RE at a high level. The accountability groups, friendships, and partnerships that come from the community is where the value is at. Sure, you can learn about many of the RE methods on YouTube for free. But getting access to this community FOR LIFE is worth the price of entrance.
Additionally, the mentorship continues to get better over time. Since joining a year and a half ago, Pace has launched additional programs that cover topics such as social media presence, learning Transaction Coordination, and business acquisition. All of this comes at no additional cost, meaning the mentorship becomes more and more valuable with no more investment into it (other than your time).
These reviews are not fake. They're just from grateful students.
this sounds like My Tesla's we get over the air upgrades and new features almost every month Dog mode Joe mode etc etc.. its really cool feature of Tesla's
I just hid another "review" from a user that directs people to her YouTube channel. Six posts in a couple hours, all in violation of the rules. She is a REALTOR and Pace Morby affiliate, so she gets paid every time someone joins the community through her link. I looked at her YouTube page and her BP profile and see no evidence she is an investor or that the SubTo program has helped her with investing.
MLM Amway approach.