Can a rookie use a DSCR loan for a duplex?

Can a rookie use a DSCR loan for a duplex?

Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2022 · 14 posts · 9 votes

What's up everyone!

I'm a new investor shopping in the Cincinnati market, and I just want to make sure I'm starting on the right foot. 

Here's the back story: My wife and I are about to move states, and when we do, we will be shopping for a house hack, but in the meantime, we want to get our feet wet with a small multifamily property in Cincinnati. This property will be the first of many, and we hope to continue scaling in Cincinnati over the next few years.

To start out, our plan is to buy and hold a cashflowing 2-4 unit property using a DSCR loan. I have a few reasons for this. 1) We are both self-employed and our income is inconsistent. 2) We don't want to impact our DTI, because we are planning on buying a house hack within the next year or so.

We would be open to going up to 6 units for our first property as long as it's within budget.

Now that you have some context, is it possible for a rookie to use a DSCR loan on a duplex or triplex? (Any lender recommendations? What LTV? Anyone done this before?)

Would my previous industry experience (property management, acquisitions, asset management, Realtor) improve my chances of qualifying for a DSCR loan?

Am I approaching this the right way, or am I missing a better alternative?

Thank you in advance for your insight! I look forward to giving you all an update when we close on our first property!

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Robin SimonBusiness Member
Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
3y
Quote from @Thomas Lebens:

What's up everyone!

I'm a new investor shopping in the Cincinnati market, and I just want to make sure I'm starting on the right foot. 

Here's the back story: My wife and I are about to move states, and when we do, we will be shopping for a house hack, but in the meantime, we want to get our feet wet with a small multifamily property in Cincinnati. This property will be the first of many, and we hope to continue scaling in Cincinnati over the next few years.

To start out, our plan is to buy and hold a cashflowing 2-4 unit property using a DSCR loan. I have a few reasons for this. 1) We are both self-employed and our income is inconsistent. 2) We don't want to impact our DTI, because we are planning on buying a house hack within the next year or so.

We would be open to going up to 6 units for our first property as long as it's within budget.

Now that you have some context, is it possible for a rookie to use a DSCR loan on a duplex or triplex? (Any lender recommendations? What LTV? Anyone done this before?)

Would my previous industry experience (property management, acquisitions, asset management, Realtor) improve my chances of qualifying for a DSCR loan?

Am I approaching this the right way, or am I missing a better alternative?

Thank you in advance for your insight! I look forward to giving you all an update when we close on our first property!


Yes - a DSCR Loan would be an option for you. There is a range of DSCR lender underwriting policies for "1st time investors" - some don't allow it, some do with no restrictions, and some in the middle (typically cut max LTV by 5% or so and restrict against anything over 4 units)

Also - check out these BiggerPockets articles for a ton of info about DSCR loans:

DSCR Loans: What Are They And How To Get The Best Terms

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

DSCR Loans: How To Use Pro Strategies To Save More And Make More

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Multifamily DSCR Loans: A New High-Impact Loan Option For Real Estate Investors?

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

12 Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers) About DSCR Loans

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

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  • Realtor · Providence, RI · Member since 2022 · 404 posts · 262 votes
    3y

    @Thomas Lebens - if this is your first property and you plan to occupy why not consider an FHA? You can refi into a DSCR at the 1-year mark, buy another - rinse and repeat.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2022 · 14 posts · 9 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Justin Hammerle:

    @Thomas Lebens - if this is your first property and you plan to occupy why not consider an FHA? You can refi into a DSCR at the 1-year mark, buy another - rinse and repeat.


     This first property would not be owner occupied, but that's probably what we will do when we move and buy our house hack. Thank you for the idea!

  • Devin PetersonBusiness Member
    Lender · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2022 · 2k+ posts · 664 votes
    3y

    Anyone can use DSCR that is the beauty!

  • Dave PoeppelmeierBusiness Member
    Realtor · Maumee, OH · Member since 2015 · 491 posts · 722 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Justin Hammerle:

    @Thomas Lebens - if this is your first property and you plan to occupy why not consider an FHA? You can refi into a DSCR at the 1-year mark, buy another - rinse and repeat.


    That's a good idea for the House Hack, but I can tell you FHA offers are very difficult to get accepted right now, at least in Toledo. The DSCR loan is a great tool because it's looking at the income potential of the property, not just your personal finances. Now, you're going to pay for that in much higher rates that you'll get in FHA or even Conventional loans, but if you're willing to bite the bullet on that to get started, then it's a great tool to use. Best of luck to you!

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  • Marco FioreBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2022 · 78 posts · 73 votes
    3y

    Yes, DSCR loans are generally available to first-time investors, but rules will vary by lender. There are restrictions such as a maximum LTV lowered by 5% or requiring a higher minimum credit score. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions or if you want to speak more about investing in Cincy in general!

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  • Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2022 · 88 posts · 37 votes
    3y

    @Thomas Lebens I feel the need to clear up some statements above because you need to be careful with these loans. DSCR loans are widely available to first time investors, but they are considered business purpose loans and you will be required to sign documents stating that neither you nor any family member will occupy the property as your or their primary residence as long as that loan is in place. Now, regarding FHA...You can use FHA to buy investment property, but you MUST live in one of the units as your primary residence for at least one year after closing.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    DSCR is ONLY for investors. Often there is a 1-2 or 3 year prepay which you can buy out of by paying 2 or 3 points. You sign an agreement that the property is not going to be owner occupied during the time the loan is in place. You need larger down payment: 15 to 25 percent down, depending on your profile and property type. Property must cash flow with market rents. Appraiser determines what the market rents are... You need lease and deposit check at closing so the property has to be move in ready not a rehab. In addition to down payment you need reserves which is 12 times or 24 multiplied by all you debt. Most lenders will not loan to you if you have no prior mortgage. No forbearance, no modifications on mortgages in the past. Your great credit, cash in checking and savings, and property ready to cash flow are the basic conditions to qualify.

  • Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2022 · 88 posts · 37 votes
    3y

    @Caroline Gerardo You are working with some VERY restrictive DSCR lenders! Leases and deposit checks are NOT required at closing with most DSCR lenders. I do these loans all over the country and have never had those as conditions. Also, many DSCR lenders now only require 3x to 6x the subject property's monthly PITI payment.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Re 3X 6X not sure what you are speaking about.

    I was addressing reserve requirements which do not have anything to do with PITI

  • Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2022 · 88 posts · 37 votes
    3y

    @Caroline Gerardo 

    My response related to reserves was a reply to this statement in your post:

    "In addition to down payment you need reserves which is 12 times or 24 multiplied by all you debt. Most lenders will not loan to you if you have no prior mortgage."

    Reserve requirements on most of the DSCR loans we provide are equal to either 3 months or 6 months of the monthly PITI of the subject property. And when getting a DSCR Cash out loan, the proceeds from the loan count toward the reserve requirements. They do not care about other properties, other than the borrower's primary residence (which is NOT part of the reserve requirement), nor do they care about other debts the borrower may have.

    In addition, we can do a DSCR loan on a purchase of an investment property even if the borrower is a renter. We only need 12 months of housing history and proof of rent payments.

    The DSCR market has evolved a great deal over the past couple of years, which has opened up access to more investors.  Also, the loans have become much less restrictive than they were only a couple of years ago.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    The top funding DSCR lenders in the US in dollar and number of deals order:

    Change
    Fairway
    Angel Oak
    A & D
    Acra
    NexBank
    RCN
    Stronghill
    Kennedy

    They all have reserve requirements that exceed 3 months. All require the "lender" to be licensed in the state, for borrower to have no mortgage lates or hiccups, have different rules and change the rules whenever their investors (not government MBS these are big guns investment firms with pulse of the location where your property sits) see clouds in the sky. Right now there is a hurricane. DSCR is for A Class property or B class with a A+ borrower. He's asking about a purchase not a cash out refi, he owns no property.

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

    The top funding DSCR lenders in the US in dollar and number of deals order:

    Change
    Fairway
    Angel Oak
    A & D
    Acra
    NexBank
    RCN
    Stronghill
    Kennedy

    They all have reserve requirements that exceed 3 months. All require the "lender" to be licensed in the state, for borrower to have no mortgage lates or hiccups, have different rules and change the rules whenever their investors (not government MBS these are big guns investment firms with pulse of the location where your property sits) see clouds in the sky. Right now there is a hurricane. DSCR is for A Class property or B class with a A+ borrower. He's asking about a purchase not a cash out refi, he owns no property.


     Where are you getting these numbers / order?  completely made up?

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Thomas Lebens:

    What's up everyone!

    I'm a new investor shopping in the Cincinnati market, and I just want to make sure I'm starting on the right foot. 

    Here's the back story: My wife and I are about to move states, and when we do, we will be shopping for a house hack, but in the meantime, we want to get our feet wet with a small multifamily property in Cincinnati. This property will be the first of many, and we hope to continue scaling in Cincinnati over the next few years.

    To start out, our plan is to buy and hold a cashflowing 2-4 unit property using a DSCR loan. I have a few reasons for this. 1) We are both self-employed and our income is inconsistent. 2) We don't want to impact our DTI, because we are planning on buying a house hack within the next year or so.

    We would be open to going up to 6 units for our first property as long as it's within budget.

    Now that you have some context, is it possible for a rookie to use a DSCR loan on a duplex or triplex? (Any lender recommendations? What LTV? Anyone done this before?)

    Would my previous industry experience (property management, acquisitions, asset management, Realtor) improve my chances of qualifying for a DSCR loan?

    Am I approaching this the right way, or am I missing a better alternative?

    Thank you in advance for your insight! I look forward to giving you all an update when we close on our first property!


    Yes - a DSCR Loan would be an option for you. There is a range of DSCR lender underwriting policies for "1st time investors" - some don't allow it, some do with no restrictions, and some in the middle (typically cut max LTV by 5% or so and restrict against anything over 4 units)

    Also - check out these BiggerPockets articles for a ton of info about DSCR loans:

    DSCR Loans: What Are They And How To Get The Best Terms

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

    DSCR Loans: How To Use Pro Strategies To Save More And Make More

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

    Multifamily DSCR Loans: A New High-Impact Loan Option For Real Estate Investors?

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

    12 Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers) About DSCR Loans

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

  • Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2022 · 88 posts · 37 votes
    3y

    @Caroline Gerardo 

    @Thomas Lebens

    Caroline - From the info you are providing, it just sounds like I just have a broader list of DSCR wholesalers at my disposal that offer better terms than those you are using.

    Thomas - The bottom line is that you can definitely use a DSCR loan to meet your needs and achieve your investing goals.

    Have a GREAT weekend!!

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    There are many hard money lenders who do DSCR with less ins and outs and less rules. DSCR is a program not a lender type. The rates are higher and points +++ plus prepay for a commercial loan or hard money loan.

    Loans closed in America are reported and stats are available as to who closed, how many, loan officer, dollar amount, loan type, location and more detail. Commercial loans are also tracked. 

    When speaking of a strictly commercial loan that is a different animal as is not 2 units purchase first time buyer which @Thomas Lebens states he is. 

    My list was rankings by dollar amount and number closed Nationwide for past four quarters for NON QM lenders that do DSCR. (Non QM means it is not qualified with Dodd Frank rules, but their own rules). NonQM "shops" offer a variety of loan types, DSCR being one but they are the lower rates and fees. Chase announced they are unrolling a DSCR loan.

     If you have better list please post it for BP clients and Thomas to learn. If you don't provide the information that's fine, but it would be a transparent answer.

    There are hard money lenders who underwrite to DSCR standards with their own rules, and commercial loans with use DSCR in various applications.

    Since Thomas is asking about buying a duplex as a first time buyer I assume he doesn't want a hard money loan. I was born in Cincinnati. Thomas asks about duplex in Cincinnati. The average price sold duplex we can guess he's looking at about a $295000 sale. Lower end maybe $210000. NonQM DSCR have floors for loan amount and NonQM isn't a rehab. Helping Thomas calculate what he can close is the question. Average rents $1200 Cincinnati but we don't know if this applies to the square footage and details of what he is thinking. With 20% down (if he qualifies) a $300000 house PITI is about $2162 NonQM loan type. If market rents are $2400 it fits most lender requirements for cash flow. The problem in analyzing is we have no idea what Thomas' personal FICO/credit history, assets, vesting type etc.. It is near impossible to say he's good to go or not. Thomas needs to apply with a lender to find out.

  • Specialist · NJ · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 649 votes
    3y

    DSCR is not experience driven like the bridge loans. DSCR is a credit/liquidity driven program. If you have good credit and the liquidity for your portion of the down payment plus fees, closing costs, and 9 months of payments in reserve - then you can get a DSCR no problem.

  • Rental Property Investor · South shore, MA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    There are so many different qualifications for DSCR loans depending on the lender/investor.

    Each has their own set of rules. Typically they want good credit score, landlord experience, and 20% down.

    You can get ones that will either use current rents OR market rents. Some need rent ratio of .9% and others up to 1.2% 

    Interest rates fluctuate quite a bit. But there are options for interest only first five years. 

    You’ll have a pre payment penalty.. likely 3/2/1 or 5/5/5

    Bottom line. Shop around. Find the lender who knows a lot of people. There are many diff options.

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Brian Ellis:

    There are so many different qualifications for DSCR loans depending on the lender/investor.

    Each has their own set of rules. Typically they want good credit score, landlord experience, and 20% down.

    You can get ones that will either use current rents OR market rents. Some need rent ratio of .9% and others up to 1.2% 

    Interest rates fluctuate quite a bit. But there are options for interest only first five years. 

    You’ll have a pre payment penalty.. likely 3/2/1 or 5/5/5

    Bottom line. Shop around. Find the lender who knows a lot of people. There are many diff options.


    Solid comment but also adding that 0.90x DSCR is not a hard minimum, a good amount (probably not a majority but not super rare) have "no ratio" DSCR loan programs with no min DSCR

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