Traditional Private Lending

Traditional Private Lending

Lender · CA · Member since 2023 · 31 posts · 30 votes

I post a lot about private lending, and one thing I've noticed is that the terms Private Money and Hard Money often mean different things to different people.

Here's my perspective.

Many people who work for lending companies refer to themselves as private lenders. They may be lending private capital, but the business often operates much like a traditional lending institution.

There are underwriting guidelines, borrower qualifications, internal policies, approval processes, and lending criteria that every borrower must fit into.

Those companies provide an important service and play a valuable role in the real estate lending industry. They can often structure creative financing solutions that help borrowers get funding they might not otherwise be able to obtain.

But when I think of **individual private money**, I think of everyday people using their own money.

A retired school teacher. A nurse. A firefighter. An accountant. A small business owner. Your neighbor. Your friend. Someone who has worked hard, built savings, or accumulated funds in a self-directed IRA and wants to put that money to work through real estate-secured lending.

The difference isn't simply where the money comes from.

It's how the lending decisions are made.

Individual Private Money isn't driven by a structured set of lending guidelines. It's driven by the quality of the opportunity.

Is the deal well structured? Is there enough equity? Does the borrower have the experience to execute the plan? Is there a realistic exit strategy?

Those are the questions an individual private money lender asks.

I'm a private money lender myself, and I genuinely enjoy meeting others like me.

When you think of private money, what comes to mind?

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
2mo
Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

Hi @Tammy White. I've been investing for 16 years and have had hundreds of loans. I would say simply that the difference between a hard money lender and a private money lender is that the hard money lender is a professional lender and the private money lender is not.  The hard money lender makes a significant source of their income from loans. They have their own documents and they have predetermined lending guidelines.  A private money lender usually doesn't not have their own documents since they don't lender very often and lending is not a primary source of their income. They don't have a predetermined set of lending guidelines to determine if they will lend or not. 

My guess is you say you are a private money lender but I am guessing you act more like a hard money lender in that you have your own lending documents and your own lending guideline. Am I wrong?


and anyone who holds themselves out as a lender on a Social Media or any other media is a HML not a true private money lender.. many HML try to disguise themselves as private like this thread but they are not.. The fact that they are making a post and publicly telling someone they are a lender disqualifies them from the True definition of a private money lender at least in the eyes of those who are looking for those private folks that do not do this for a living or do not advertise in any way shape or form.
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  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2mo

    Hi @Tammy White. I've been investing for 16 years and have had hundreds of loans. I would say simply that the difference between a hard money lender and a private money lender is that the hard money lender is a professional lender and the private money lender is not.  The hard money lender makes a significant source of their income from loans. They have their own documents and they have predetermined lending guidelines.  A private money lender usually doesn't not have their own documents since they don't lender very often and lending is not a primary source of their income. They don't have a predetermined set of lending guidelines to determine if they will lend or not. 

    My guess is you say you are a private money lender but I am guessing you act more like a hard money lender in that you have your own lending documents and your own lending guideline. Am I wrong?

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

      Hi @Tammy White. I've been investing for 16 years and have had hundreds of loans. I would say simply that the difference between a hard money lender and a private money lender is that the hard money lender is a professional lender and the private money lender is not.  The hard money lender makes a significant source of their income from loans. They have their own documents and they have predetermined lending guidelines.  A private money lender usually doesn't not have their own documents since they don't lender very often and lending is not a primary source of their income. They don't have a predetermined set of lending guidelines to determine if they will lend or not. 

      My guess is you say you are a private money lender but I am guessing you act more like a hard money lender in that you have your own lending documents and your own lending guideline. Am I wrong?


      and anyone who holds themselves out as a lender on a Social Media or any other media is a HML not a true private money lender.. many HML try to disguise themselves as private like this thread but they are not.. The fact that they are making a post and publicly telling someone they are a lender disqualifies them from the True definition of a private money lender at least in the eyes of those who are looking for those private folks that do not do this for a living or do not advertise in any way shape or form.
  • Jake YuskaitisBusiness Member
    Lender · New Jersey, USA · Member since 2022 · 254 posts · 67 votes
    2mo

    hard money simply means a short term asset based loan.

    private money is a non-bank lender.

    anything else is fluff.

  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2mo

    @Jake Yuskaitis with that definition, many hard money lenders will call themselves private money lenders, because they don't consider themselves a bank, even though they create asset based loans. And legitimate private money lenders, that are not professional lenders, may lend on a property and get a deed of trust in their name which makes it an asset based loan, yet they are not professional lenders. I think this is where people mix up the terms. 

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

      @Jake Yuskaitis with that definition, many hard money lenders will call themselves private money lenders, because they don't consider themselves a bank, even though they create asset based loans. And legitimate private money lenders, that are not professional lenders, may lend on a property and get a deed of trust in their name which makes it an asset based loan, yet they are not professional lenders. I think this is where people mix up the terms. 


      there are also states were HML and private loans are both regulated and require MLO and NMLS to legally loan on 1 to 4 units  although there are carve outs at many states for those that doe say 1 loan or 2 loans a year and hold no more than say 3 loans at anyone time.  So if you have to go through the brain drain of getting a MLO and Passing the NMLS test your not a private lender you have put a ton of time and some money into becoming a legal lender
    • Lender · CA · Member since 2023 · 31 posts · 30 votes
      2mo

      @Jay Hinrichs 

      To me, what makes someone a private lender is the source of the capital, not whether they have a social media presence. I lend my own personal funds, and that’s exactly why I’m looking to connect with other individuals who do the same.

      I’m not advertising for borrowers or holding myself out as a lending company. I’m simply networking with other private lenders who use their own capital or SDIRAs, just like I do.

      Whether someone chooses to network publicly or keep a low profile is a personal choice. I don’t believe it changes the fact that they’re lending their own money.

    • Jake YuskaitisBusiness Member
      Lender · New Jersey, USA · Member since 2022 · 254 posts · 67 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

      @Jake Yuskaitis with that definition, many hard money lenders will call themselves private money lenders, because they don't consider themselves a bank, even though they create asset based loans. And legitimate private money lenders, that are not professional lenders, may lend on a property and get a deed of trust in their name which makes it an asset based loan, yet they are not professional lenders. I think this is where people mix up the terms. 


       you can be both private and hard money

    • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
      Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      2mo

      @Tammy White here are a couple of questions that may help distinguish the difference.

      1. Do you have your own set of documents that the borrower signs when you lend that were prepared by a legal entity or lawyer?

      2. How many loans do you make a year?

      3. Do you spend time or advertis to find people to lend to?

      The reason for the destinction is because if you lend money regularly you may start to act like a  hard money lender and if you act like a hard money lender , you Ben if you are unaware that you are doing so, then you may have to follow certain lending guidelines depending on the state that you are lending in. So you may want to do a little research on ChatGPT and explain how you lend and how frequently you lend and then see if you need to follow any lending guidelines based on how often you lend.

      Of course you don't need to do any of this, however having the information may be helpful for you to guide decisions you make when it comes to lending. 

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    These are not even a complete set of definitions, @Tammy White. You’re at least missing Bridge, Residential Transitional Lenders (RTL), and who knows what else. Combined with Private Money, Hard Money, True Private Lenders, and Traditional Private Lending, these are all the same things. I imagine posts like this will go on forever until the industry figures out what it wants to call itself. It’s not worth getting hung up over.

    More concerning is your comment, “Individual Private Money isn't driven by a structured set of lending guidelines.” Well, not if you make things up as you go. This is not the way to run any business, let alone a private lending business (to pick just one name, sorry). I imagine it takes some experience, but “no structure” to me means you’ll entertain any deal that crosses your desk with few borrower restrictions. I know (hope?) I’m exaggerating, but in the extreme, that’s how I read what you wrote.

    You might not be there yet, but the easiest way to focus is to develop written lending criteria that define to whom you will lend and what you will lend on. Email them to those who ask. Then develop an elevator pitch that clearly defines what you do. As you can guess, the list of loan possibilities is endless, but borrowers will want to know if you can help them. My strong advice is to get to know an area of lending really, really, really well, focus on that, and stay in your lane.

    When borrowers ask each other if they know someone who specializes in a specific problem they have, your competitive advantages should be the reason your name comes up first.

  • Lender · Nationwide · Member since 2024 · 74 posts · 23 votes
    2mo
    Quote from @Tammy White:

    I post a lot about private lending, and one thing I've noticed is that the terms Private Money and Hard Money often mean different things to different people.

    Here's my perspective.

    Many people who work for lending companies refer to themselves as private lenders. They may be lending private capital, but the business often operates much like a traditional lending institution.

    There are underwriting guidelines, borrower qualifications, internal policies, approval processes, and lending criteria that every borrower must fit into.

    Those companies provide an important service and play a valuable role in the real estate lending industry. They can often structure creative financing solutions that help borrowers get funding they might not otherwise be able to obtain.

    But when I think of **individual private money**, I think of everyday people using their own money.

    A retired school teacher. A nurse. A firefighter. An accountant. A small business owner. Your neighbor. Your friend. Someone who has worked hard, built savings, or accumulated funds in a self-directed IRA and wants to put that money to work through real estate-secured lending.

    The difference isn't simply where the money comes from.

    It's how the lending decisions are made.

    Individual Private Money isn't driven by a structured set of lending guidelines. It's driven by the quality of the opportunity.

    Is the deal well structured? Is there enough equity? Does the borrower have the experience to execute the plan? Is there a realistic exit strategy?

    Those are the questions an individual private money lender asks.

    I'm a private money lender myself, and I genuinely enjoy meeting others like me.

    When you think of private money, what comes to mind?

    Hi Tammy,

    You make an excellent point here. 

    There is definitely a massive difference between a structured lending institution using private capital and a true individual private lender.

    When a company has strict underwriting guidelines, borrower qualifications, and formal approval processes, they are essentially operating like a traditional bank, even if their funds come from private sources. 

    True individual private money is about the actual person—like a neighbor or a retired professional—investing their own hard-earned savings or self-directed IRA funds directly into a deal because they believe in the opportunity and the borrower.

    Lumping both of these under the exact same "private lending" umbrella causes a lot of confusion for investors trying to navigate their financing options. 

    Thanks for breaking down the distinction so clearly!

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