Long Vacancy With Property Management Company. What Would You Do Next

Long Vacancy With Property Management Company. What Would You Do Next

Justin DaltonPro Member
Member since 2024 · 29 posts · 25 votes

Looking for some perspective from investors with experience in Memphis or with out-of-state rentals.

I’ve owned a Duplex rental in Memphis for about a year. I live out of state and do not self-manage — I have a local property management company handling the property, marketing, showings, tenant placement, etc.

The original plan was to get the property rented and stabilized, refinance into longer-term financing, and then eventually use what I learned/capital available to continue building my rental portfolio.

The biggest problem has been getting the property rented.

It has now been vacant longer than I ever expected despite being under professional management. We have adjusted the asking rent, and I’ve continued working with the management company to try to get someone placed, but I’m still carrying the property without rental income.

Because of that, I’ve basically put my next investment on hold. I had planned on moving into the Knoxville, TN market next and purchasing something more turnkey/ready to rent, but I don’t feel comfortable adding another property while Memphis is still unresolved.

I’m trying to determine whether this is simply the stage I’m in right now — stabilize this property first and be patient — or whether there are things I should be doing differently to maneuver out of this situation and continue making progress.

For investors with more experience than me, I would really appreciate your thoughts on:

• How long of a vacancy would make you start seriously questioning the property management/leasing company?

• What specific information or metrics would you ask the property manager for — number of inquiries, showings, applications, showing feedback, comparable rentals, etc.?

• At what point do you reduce the rent further versus holding closer to market rent?

• Would you consider changing property management companies during a prolonged vacancy?

• Is there another strategy you would consider to get the property performing without simply selling it?

• For Memphis investors specifically, what are you currently seeing with tenant demand and leasing times?

I’m not looking to blindly acquire more properties just for the sake of saying I’m growing. I’d rather fix the weak point in my first investment, learn from it, and make a smarter second purchase.

My ultimate goal is still to build a rental portfolio, so I’m trying to determine whether I’m genuinely stuck right now or if there are moves I could be making that I’m overlooking.

I’m happy to provide the property numbers, asking rent, expenses, loan situation, estimated value, refinance plan, and other details if that would help with the analysis.

Thanks for any advice, particularly from Memphis investors or anyone who has dealt with a similar situation while using third-party property management.

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Greg ScottPro Member
Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
1mo

You did not say how long this has been vacant. I've seen some people on this forum start freaking out after a property not being rented for 7 days.  I'll assume it has been much longer than that.

There are only one of three reasons a property does not rent quickly:

1) Property Physicals -  If there is some physical defect with the property, it will be hard to rent.  It could be its condition, its layout, number of beds / baths, no parking, etc.  Some physical defects are fixable.  Some are not.  For example, you can't realistically move the building.  Many other things can be fixed. As the owner, this is largely your responsibility.  Make sure your property competes well with others in the area. Hopefully you already have lots of photos of its current condition.  I would compare those to other properties being rented in the area and see if you notice anything.  Ask your manager about their assessment of the physical condition.

2) Marketing - It isn't being marketed properly, nobody knows it is available.  This is the responsibility of the manager.  I would ask them to describe how they market properties for rent.

3)  Price - If the price is too high, it won't rent.  Just because the property next door rented for $X, doesn't mean yours will also rent for $X, especially if your property has some physical disadvantage vs the one across the street.  On our properties (apartments) we use dynamic pricing.  If our vacancy is higher than our specified targets, the software starts lowing price immediately.  We may drop the price a few dollars every day. In a slow market when we have high availability of a certain unit style, we might have our asking rent drop $50/week.  

Assuming #1 and #2 are not problems, the fastest way to rent your property is to start taking the price down.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    1mo

    You did not say how long this has been vacant. I've seen some people on this forum start freaking out after a property not being rented for 7 days.  I'll assume it has been much longer than that.

    There are only one of three reasons a property does not rent quickly:

    1) Property Physicals -  If there is some physical defect with the property, it will be hard to rent.  It could be its condition, its layout, number of beds / baths, no parking, etc.  Some physical defects are fixable.  Some are not.  For example, you can't realistically move the building.  Many other things can be fixed. As the owner, this is largely your responsibility.  Make sure your property competes well with others in the area. Hopefully you already have lots of photos of its current condition.  I would compare those to other properties being rented in the area and see if you notice anything.  Ask your manager about their assessment of the physical condition.

    2) Marketing - It isn't being marketed properly, nobody knows it is available.  This is the responsibility of the manager.  I would ask them to describe how they market properties for rent.

    3)  Price - If the price is too high, it won't rent.  Just because the property next door rented for $X, doesn't mean yours will also rent for $X, especially if your property has some physical disadvantage vs the one across the street.  On our properties (apartments) we use dynamic pricing.  If our vacancy is higher than our specified targets, the software starts lowing price immediately.  We may drop the price a few dollars every day. In a slow market when we have high availability of a certain unit style, we might have our asking rent drop $50/week.  

    Assuming #1 and #2 are not problems, the fastest way to rent your property is to start taking the price down.

  • Justin DaltonPro Member
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    Member since 2024 · 29 posts · 25 votes
    1mo
    Thanks Greg, I appreciate the detailed response. And yes, this has been much longer than a normal vacancy — several months at this point. I’m an out-of-state owner and have a local property management company handling the leasing and management. The property is being advertised across Zillow, Realtor.com and a number of other rental platforms, and we’ve actually had quite a few showings. The issue is that those showings have not turned into applications. I also haven’t been made aware of any significant physical-condition issue with the property that would explain it. The consistent feedback from management has been that rental activity across the area has been unusually slow, other owners are dealing with similar vacancies, and they’ve described this as the toughest rental environment they’ve seen locally in roughly eight years. We have already adjusted the asking rent along the way, which is why I’m trying to determine where the line is between continuing to lower the price and recognizing that this may simply be a particularly difficult market right now. Since we are getting showings but not applications, would your next step be to push the manager harder for specific feedback from those showings and compare our property/rent directly against the homes renters are ultimately choosing? And if the property itself checks out, would you still continue reducing the rent until applications start coming in?
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1mo
      Quote from @Justin Dalton:
      Thanks Greg, I appreciate the detailed response. And yes, this has been much longer than a normal vacancy — several months at this point. I’m an out-of-state owner and have a local property management company handling the leasing and management. The property is being advertised across Zillow, Realtor.com and a number of other rental platforms, and we’ve actually had quite a few showings. The issue is that those showings have not turned into applications. I also haven’t been made aware of any significant physical-condition issue with the property that would explain it. The consistent feedback from management has been that rental activity across the area has been unusually slow, other owners are dealing with similar vacancies, and they’ve described this as the toughest rental environment they’ve seen locally in roughly eight years. We have already adjusted the asking rent along the way, which is why I’m trying to determine where the line is between continuing to lower the price and recognizing that this may simply be a particularly difficult market right now. Since we are getting showings but not applications, would your next step be to push the manager harder for specific feedback from those showings and compare our property/rent directly against the homes renters are ultimately choosing? And if the property itself checks out, would you still continue reducing the rent until applications start coming in?

      right now rental bizz is slow all over.. so just like when sales are slow you need the best looking unit at the best price and you will rent it.

      I experinced this in Oregon were i had a basically new construction 450k home that I had rented to a great renter for 2 years they moved i lowered rent by 200.00 a month sat for 3 plus months then tried to sell it did not sell in another 3 months tried to rent it again for another 200.00 less got one crappy applicant that had a 600 fico and 4 kids so no way on that one. so lowered the price again on the market total of about 35k from orginal ask and sold it first day I put it back up for lower amount plus pay 7k in closing costs.. Now for me I dont have any debt as it was a 1031 roll up from multiple props so i have ZERO basis in it its just all profit money so i was not under pressure.. but in todays market best unit best price to get them rented also Memphis is a huge rental market one of the largest in the country so I suspect tenants have a lot of choices I would lower rents to the best in the area but be somewhat stern on qualifications so they dont trash the units 
    • Justin DaltonPro Member
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      Member since 2024 · 29 posts · 25 votes
      1mo

      @Jay Hinrichs 

      Thanks, that makes a lot of sense and honestly seems pretty close to what I’m experiencing in Memphis. We’ve had quite a few showings and the property is advertised across Zillow, Realtor and several other platforms, but the showings just haven’t converted into applications.

      My management company has told me the rental market in the area is unusually slow right now and that a lot of their owners are dealing with the same thing, so I’m starting to wonder if it really is a combination of timing and renters having a lot of inventory to choose from.

      We’ve already lowered the rent some, but I think your point about being the best-looking option at the best price is probably where I need to focus. In your situation, how did you decide when you had lowered the rent enough versus continuing to chase the market downward?

      I’m trying to get this one stabilized rather than make a knee-jerk decision just because the vacancy has been frustrating.

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2021 · 25 posts · 14 votes
    1mo

    I'm still figuring out how investors look at situations like this. If a property has a lot of showings but doesn’t get many applications—or any at all—what does that usually mean that you can't tell just by checking the vacancy rate or how long it’s been on the market?

    • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1mo
      Quote from @Garth Huxtable:

      I'm still figuring out how investors look at situations like this. If a property has a lot of showings but doesn’t get many applications—or any at all—what does that usually mean that you can't tell just by checking the vacancy rate or how long it’s been on the market?


       If my property had multiple showings but no action my inclination would be to look at price and/or condition as the likely culprits.

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1mo

    @Justin Dalton, post a link to one of the ads so we can evaluate the property and the marketing. You don't state how many BR's, but if 3 or 4, the timing to get rented prior to start of school is essentially gone. Families don't usually choose to move during the school year. This is just one of many possible factors. 

    Another is the whole screening process, from the cost to applicants, to the elements that are the minimum bars they must pass to be considered.

    Of course, price, but price is meaningless without seeing the actual conditions...so again, post a link. Your idea of "rent ready" may not match that of the PM, or of potential applicants.

    • Justin DaltonPro Member
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      Member since 2024 · 29 posts · 25 votes
      1mo

      @Richard F. 

      Thanks, Richard. I’d prefer not to post the direct listing/address publicly, but I’m happy to give more information for feedback.

      It’s a 2-bedroom property in Memphis and is professionally managed. The management/leasing team has it advertised across Zillow, Realtor and several other platforms. We’ve had quite a few showings, but so far no applicants. I’ve also been told by the local team that the rental market has been unusually slow/saturated recently.

      I can post some redacted screenshots of the listing/photos and provide the asking rent,  and other details if that would help. At this point I’m mainly trying to determine whether this is a pricing/marketing/screening issue or whether I’m simply dealing with poor timing in the current market.

    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      1mo
      Quote from @Justin Dalton:

      @Richard F. 

      Thanks, Richard. I’d prefer not to post the direct listing/address publicly, but I’m happy to give more information for feedback.

      It’s a 2-bedroom property in Memphis and is professionally managed. The management/leasing team has it advertised across Zillow, Realtor and several other platforms. We’ve had quite a few showings, but so far no applicants. I’ve also been told by the local team that the rental market has been unusually slow/saturated recently.

      I can post some redacted screenshots of the listing/photos and provide the asking rent,  and other details if that would help. At this point I’m mainly trying to determine whether this is a pricing/marketing/screening issue or whether I’m simply dealing with poor timing in the current market.

      Obviously, you need some "fresh eyes" to look at the "marketing" effort, the subjective "aesthetics" as well as pricing. 2 bedrooms should be relatively easy to fill, all else being positive. What is the cost to apply (and do they require all applicants to apply, not just a primary/head of household), and what are the published (if any) criteria for applying? What rent rate is advertised? How much is Deposit?
  • Jordan RayBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Memphis, TN · Member since 2023 · 623 posts · 321 votes
    1mo
    Quote from @Justin Dalton:

    Looking for some perspective from investors with experience in Memphis or with out-of-state rentals.

    I’ve owned a Duplex rental in Memphis for about a year. I live out of state and do not self-manage — I have a local property management company handling the property, marketing, showings, tenant placement, etc.

    The original plan was to get the property rented and stabilized, refinance into longer-term financing, and then eventually use what I learned/capital available to continue building my rental portfolio.

    The biggest problem has been getting the property rented.

    It has now been vacant longer than I ever expected despite being under professional management. We have adjusted the asking rent, and I’ve continued working with the management company to try to get someone placed, but I’m still carrying the property without rental income.

    Because of that, I’ve basically put my next investment on hold. I had planned on moving into the Knoxville, TN market next and purchasing something more turnkey/ready to rent, but I don’t feel comfortable adding another property while Memphis is still unresolved.

    I’m trying to determine whether this is simply the stage I’m in right now — stabilize this property first and be patient — or whether there are things I should be doing differently to maneuver out of this situation and continue making progress.

    For investors with more experience than me, I would really appreciate your thoughts on:

    • How long of a vacancy would make you start seriously questioning the property management/leasing company?

    • What specific information or metrics would you ask the property manager for — number of inquiries, showings, applications, showing feedback, comparable rentals, etc.?

    • At what point do you reduce the rent further versus holding closer to market rent?

    • Would you consider changing property management companies during a prolonged vacancy?

    • Is there another strategy you would consider to get the property performing without simply selling it?

    • For Memphis investors specifically, what are you currently seeing with tenant demand and leasing times?

    I’m not looking to blindly acquire more properties just for the sake of saying I’m growing. I’d rather fix the weak point in my first investment, learn from it, and make a smarter second purchase.

    My ultimate goal is still to build a rental portfolio, so I’m trying to determine whether I’m genuinely stuck right now or if there are moves I could be making that I’m overlooking.

    I’m happy to provide the property numbers, asking rent, expenses, loan situation, estimated value, refinance plan, and other details if that would help with the analysis.

    Thanks for any advice, particularly from Memphis investors or anyone who has dealt with a similar situation while using third-party property management.


    Hey Justin, I’m active in the Memphis investment market, and I would definitely focus on figuring out why this property isn’t leasing before buying the next one. The Memphis rental market has been softer and more saturated than it was a few years ago, so I’ve been underwriting rents more aggressively and paying close attention to competing inventory. That said, I wouldn’t just accept “the market is slow” as the explanation for a prolonged vacancy. I’d ask your property manager for the number of inquiries, showings, applications, showing feedback, competing rentals, days on market for comparable properties, and exactly where and how frequently the property is being marketed. One thing I would also do—and I’ve seen this uncover problems before—is call your own rental listing from a random phone number that has never been associated with you or your correspondence with the management company. Act like an extremely interested prospective tenant who wants to see the property and try to schedule a showing, then see how quickly and professionally they respond. You’d be surprised how many owners discover that prospective tenants are waiting several days to hear back from their property manager, and by that point those prospects have already moved on to another rental. If that’s happening, reducing the rent isn’t necessarily going to solve your problem. You may have a leasing-response problem rather than a pricing problem. If you’re getting inquiries but few showings, look at how those leads are being handled; if you’re getting plenty of showings but no applications, start looking harder at price, condition, and showing feedback. I’d also rather reduce the rent another $50–$100 if the data supports it than lose another entire month of rent holding out for a higher number. I wouldn’t automatically fire a property manager over a vacancy, but if they can’t provide the data, respond quickly to leads, and give you a concrete strategy for getting the property leased, I’d absolutely start interviewing other Memphis property managers. I also agree with your instinct not to blindly buy another property just to say you’re scaling. Fix the weak point, learn from it, and then move forward. Hope that helps!

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1mo

    Memphis market is pretty slow currently and rents are dropping. 

    You're only giving us very MINIMUM info to assist you!

    Here are the concerns:

    1) Ad pics
    2) Ad copy
    3) Ad flooplan? 3D Tour?
    4) Full list of where ad is published?
    5) Metrics: how many:
    --- Web hits
    --- Inquiries
    --- Showings Scheduled
    --- Showings Completed
    --- Showing Feedback
    --- Applications Rcvd
    --- Applications Denied

    Also, what is your PMC's SPECIFIC process to answer prospective tenant calls, SMS & emails?

    How do they schedule showings?
    When do they schedule Showings?

    So many investors ASSUME that all PMC's do everything the same way.
    The reality is HOW a service is actually executed often varies greatly between PMCs.

    STOP assuming and start investigating more!

  • James JonesPro Member
    Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 589 posts · 445 votes
    1mo

    Justin, Memphis operator here — born and raised, investing in this market since 2003, few hundred doors. I'll give you the local read plus the one option nobody in this thread has mentioned. First, the market context: yes, Memphis leasing is genuinely softer than a few years ago and tenants have choices. But "the market is slow" is a diagnosis your PM should have to EARN with data, not a blanket excuse — Drew's metrics list and Jordan's secret-shopper tip are both exactly right. Showings-but-no-applications on a 2BR usually narrows to three things: price still above where the market clears, something applicants see in person that photos hide (smell, neighbors, street), or an application process that's slow or expensive enough that people just apply elsewhere. Ask what the application fee is and how fast your PM turns around an application — in a saturated market, a 3-day approval loses to a same-day approval every time. Now the option nobody said: is your PM marketing to voucher holders? Memphis has one of the deepest Section 8 tenant pools in the country, and voucher families wait MONTHS for a unit — a 2BR listed as voucher-friendly in most Memphis working-class zips fills dramatically faster than market-only marketing, and the payment standard in many of those zips runs at or above what you're asking on the open market. Check the payment standard for your zip and bedroom count (there's a free tool — search "section8guys app") and compare it to your current ask. If your PM "doesn't do Section 8," that's your answer on the PM too. Months of vacancy on a Memphis 2BR isn't the market — it's the strategy. Happy to go deeper on your specific zip if you share it.

  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1mo

    Justin, I’d separate this into two questions: is the property itself still a good hold, and is the current PM failing to execute?

    Before changing managers, I’d ask for hard leasing data from the current PM: number of inquiries, completed applications, showings, feedback from prospects, days on market, competing rentals, and exactly where your asking rent sits versus recently leased properties. If they can’t give you that clearly, that alone would concern me.

    I’d also compare the cost of another month vacant against a reasonable rent reduction. Sometimes dropping rent by $100–$150 is cheaper than carrying another full month with no income. I’d get a second PM’s opinion on market rent and condition before making that call.

    Since your long-term goal is still building a rental portfolio, I’d also look at the tax side while the property is being stabilized. If you haven’t already, cost segregation may be worth evaluating once the property is in service. It can accelerate depreciation, but the key is whether the resulting losses are actually usable under the passive-loss rules. Passive losses that exceed passive income are generally carried forward rather than automatically offsetting other income.

    I wouldn’t buy the next property until this one is under control, but I also wouldn’t assume Memphis or the property itself is the problem until you’ve ruled out the current management and pricing strategy.

    Happy to connect!

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  • Member since 2023 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    1mo

    If you're not getting showings, it's the listing (try searching for similar leases in your area. Does your listing come up? How is the listing's quality & accuracy, description, price? Would you rent it? Is it beutiful?). Consider: pay the extra fee to boost it on Zillow/listing service, or hire an agent to post on MLS. Do market research (are comps sitting on the market just as long as yours?) Go through the decision process like a renter would. Start to finish.

    If you're getting showings but no applicants, the listing is working but either the PM (or person showing) is dropping the ball, or there are noticeable issues within the unit itself. Consider: is the unit being shown during peak sunlight hours? Are the windows/shades open for added natural light? Does it smell good? Is the person showing dressed/groomed well? Are they friendly? Would you rent it?

    It sounds like you have a lot holding you back due to this vacancy. If I were you, I would start asking your PM for feedback from people who tour. What sticks out to people? What other options are they looking at?

    Consider sending messages to people whom have toured and passed. 

    Have a friend go and tour it for you (your decision if you want to tell the PM company in advance or not). Would your friend rent the place? Think outside the box. 

    For context: I manage about 150 doors in West Los Angeles. Leasing is everything.


  • Member since 2026 · 26 posts · 3 votes
    1mo

    If you're getting showings but no applications, it’s almost always a price-to-condition mismatch. Push your PM for explicit feedback from the showing tours, check how your listing photos compare to competing units nearby, and don't be afraid to drop the rent a bit further. A slightly lower monthly rent hurts a lot less than another month of 100% vacancy.

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    1mo

    @Justin Dalton

    1. fly to Memphis

    2. meet up with your PM

    3. walk it together

    there is no substitute for being in person

    • Justin DaltonPro Member
      OP
      Member since 2024 · 29 posts · 25 votes
      1mo

      @Nicholas L. 

      I agree with you — there really isn’t a substitute for seeing it in person and walking it with the PM. Unfortunately, as an out-of-state owner, making a trip to Memphis isn’t always financially practical for me, especially while the property is vacant and carrying expenses.

      I’m definitely not ruling it out, though. In the meantime I’m trying to get as much detailed feedback, photos/video, showing feedback, and comparison information from my PM as possible so I can make the best decisions remotely. If things continue without improvement, an in-person trip may be something I need to prioritize.

    • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2024 · 27 posts · 31 votes
      1mo
      Quote from @Justin Dalton:

      @Nicholas L. 

      I agree with you — there really isn’t a substitute for seeing it in person and walking it with the PM. Unfortunately, as an out-of-state owner, making a trip to Memphis isn’t always financially practical for me, especially while the property is vacant and carrying expenses.

      I’m definitely not ruling it out, though. In the meantime I’m trying to get as much detailed feedback, photos/video, showing feedback, and comparison information from my PM as possible so I can make the best decisions remotely. If things continue without improvement, an in-person trip may be something I need to prioritize.

      A few thoughts and points:

      • You could go on Zillow and look at comparable rentals in the area to get your own sense and judgment of what the market is.
      • I generally trust property management companies that have a good record of honesty and professionalism. As long as things are producing the intended outcomes, I’m comfortable letting them do their job. But if a significant amount of time has passed without the expected results, you definitely have the right—and, logically, the responsibility—to start looking into the causes and considering alternatives.
      • Different property management companies operate differently. Some expect you to be more involved, calling the shots and giving more input, while others really take on the entire project and handle it completely autonomously.
      • “Real estate is local.” The Memphis market may have certain general trends going on, but every neighborhood, ZIP code, and area can be very different. You really need to look at the comparables within the immediate area of the property.
      • I don’t think it hurts to have contacts with other trusted and skilled property managers and get their input and read on your listing and rental. Obviously, I would be upfront with them that you are currently working with a different property management company, but may be open to changing and would like to get a sense of what other options are out there.
      • It may be worth pricing the property a small notch under fair market value in order to get it rented faster and potentially attract a larger pool of qualified tenants.

  • Real Estate Agent · San DIego · Member since 2019 · 177 posts · 185 votes
    1mo

    I think the rental market is slowing across the nation, especially compared with 3 or 4 years ago, when they went up so drastically.  My most recent vacancies have had less qualified or appealing applicants than ever before. I think it's simply because rent is less affordable than ever for working class people.  It's not just rent- Inflation has stretched the budget with gas prices (our commutes are real), grocery prices, etc.   The San Diego vacancies are trending towards more adult applicants (parents with grown children, for instance), or larger families squeezing into less bedrooms. 

    The Oregon vacancies...My properties are located in an area without a lot of job opportunities, and the median income is fairly low.  Luckily, I found fantastic tenants, but, before I found them, I got my first ever criminal applicant (17 arrest records!).  There, too, the trend is for more income earning adults to be sharing a space.  I had one very nice applicant whose household was 4 adults and 4 children.  I wish them luck in finding something more suitable, but mine wasn't it. 

  • Member since 2023 · 25 posts · 5 votes
    1mo

    A year in with several months of vacancy on your first property is a rough way to learn this business, and the fact that you're asking diagnostic questions instead of panic-selling tells me you'll be fine. But let me answer what you actually asked, in order, because you asked six specific things.

    How long before I'd question the leasing company. Sixty days on a 2-bedroom duplex in a market the size of Memphis is where I'd stop accepting narrative and start requiring data. You're past that. Questioning them doesn't mean firing them, it means the burden of proof shifts. "The market is slow" is a conclusion, and your PM has to earn it with numbers rather than assert it.

    What to ask for, and I'd send this as a written list. Listing views by platform. Inquiries received. Inquiries that converted to a scheduled showing. Showings scheduled versus showings actually completed. Written feedback from each completed showing. Applications started, applications submitted, applications denied and why. Average response time to a new inquiry. The application fee, whether every adult pays it, and the average turnaround from submission to decision.

    Then ask for the live links to every platform where the property is posted, plus the full photo set and the listing copy as they published it. Don't accept a list of platform names. Get the actual URLs and open every one of them yourself.

    Look at your own listing like a renter would, because this is where I'd bet the problem is hiding. Most owners have never seen their own listing, and the marketing is frequently the weak link nobody thinks to check. Start with the lead photo, because that single image decides whether anyone clicks at all. It's routinely terrible: a dim living room, a bathroom, a bad exterior shot in overcast light. It should be the best-looking, brightest room in the property. Then count the photos and check whether the property was shown empty. An empty 2-bedroom is very hard for a renter to picture themselves in, and virtual staging costs very little (or nothing if you can leverage AI) and can result in an enormous difference in click-through. Check whether the rooms were shot in daylight with the blinds open. Check whether the copy actually sells anything or reads like a spec sheet. Check whether the listing is buried on page four when you search your own zip and bedroom count as a renter would. If the answer to most of these is bad, you don't have a pricing problem yet, and you'd be cutting rent to solve something a photographer could fix for a few hundred dollars.

    You can also pay for listing boosts/to be featured on the various platforms. A lot of times I have found that PMs list using a service, and then forget to check some platforms, so it is not on as many platforms as you think it is. You can also google the address and pull the listings yourself to see what a lead would see. 

    Reduce or hold, and here's where I'd push back on the whole thread's premise. Before you cut the rent again, remember what you bought this property to do. You're refinancing. The lender is going to underwrite the income on that lease, and a permanently lowered rent lowers your DSCR, your loan proceeds, and the value the appraiser lands on. A rent cut is not a one-time cost. It follows you into the refinance and then into every renewal after that.

    So use a move-in special instead. One month free spread across a twelve or thirteen month lease, or half off first month's rent, or a reduced deposit, or the application fee waived, or the first few months of lawn care covered. A prospect comparing your duplex to four others reads "first month free" as a bigger win than $75 off the monthly, and your lease still reads at the full rate when the lender looks at it. Put the special in the headline of the listing, not buried in the description. This is the highest-leverage move available to you right now, and if your PM hasn't suggested it, that's information about your PM.

    If you do end up cutting the rate, run the vacancy math rather than debating the number. Take the proposed monthly cut, multiply it by twelve, and compare it to one more month of full carry. It's rarely close. But try the concession first, because it costs you the same money once and doesn't cost you the refinance.

    How to pull your own comps, which also answers your Memphis question. I don't operate in Memphis, so I can't tell you what tenant demand looks like there. Here's how you find out yourself in an afternoon.

    Go to Zillow's rental section, search your zip code, and filter to 2 bedrooms, houses and multifamily, in a rent band running from roughly 20 percent below your ask to 20 percent above. Do the same on Apartments.com, Rent.com, and Facebook Marketplace, because different inventory shows up on each. For everything still listed, note the rent, the days on market, and the photo quality. Zillow shows days on Zillow on the listing page, and you can also see a price history if they've cut.

    The number you actually need is what's leased, and that's the harder half. Three ways to get it. First, ask your PM outright for recently leased comps with the rent they actually leased at rather than what they were listed at, since a licensed manager can pull that. Second, when you interview those other Memphis companies, ask each of them what they'd list your duplex at and what their last three 2-bedroom leases in that zip closed at. Third, and this is the low-tech version that works, save the links to every active 2-bedroom comp today and check them again in three weeks. The ones that disappeared, leased. The ones still sitting, didn't.

    That count is your answer. If almost nothing in your zip has leased in sixty days, your PM is telling you the truth and this is a pricing and patience problem. If comparable properties are leasing and yours isn't, the market is not your problem, and now you know it rather than believing it.

    Getting eyes on it that aren't your PM's. You're asking the people responsible for leasing the property to diagnose why it isn't leasing, and that arrangement rarely produces the answer you need. Pay a local inspector, a leasing agent, or a friend of a friend a couple hundred dollars to walk both sides and shoot a narrated video with the date visible. Have them open closets, run the water, stand in the kitchen and describe the smell, then walk out front and pan down the street. Photos hide odor, they hide the neighbor's yard, and they hide how a room feels at four in the afternoon.

    Then call your own listing from a number nobody at that company has ever seen. Be an eager tenant who wants to see it this week, and time the callback. A prospect who waits two days has already applied somewhere else and will never tell you why. Do the same with the application: find out the fee, whether every adult pays, the published criteria, and the days to a decision. In a saturated market a three-day approval loses to a same-day approval every time, and renters with options don't gamble sixty dollars on a maybe.

    On the trip: you already thought this through and decided it isn't practical right now, and that's a reasonable read of your own finances while you're carrying the property. I'd sequence it. Listing review, comps, and video first, because all three are cheap and you can have them this week. If those come back clean and it still isn't leasing, the trip becomes the highest-value thing left, and at that point I'd go.

    Changing managers. I wouldn't fire anyone over a vacancy. I would interview five other Memphis companies this week regardless. Ask each what they'd list your duplex at, how fast they turn an application, where they advertise, what their average days on market ran last quarter, and whether they work with voucher holders. You cannot call one company, get all your answers, and decide that's the right one. Every answer any single one of them gives you is an opinion, and the contrast across five is where the truth lives. If your current PM's story stops matching what the other four tell you, you have your answer without needing to be certain about anything.

    Other strategies before you'd ever consider selling. Ask your PM directly whether they're marketing to voucher holders, and if not, why not. Check the payment standard for your bedroom count in your zip against your ask. I don't know your numbers so I won't predict what you'll find, but it's free to check and the answer to "why not" tells you plenty either way. Beyond that, put $10 a week behind a Zillow boost yourself and post the property yourself on Facebook Marketplace with your own photos and your own copy. Even under full professional management, do your own advertising. You might be one of three hundred properties on their list, and nobody cares about your vacancy the way you do.

    There are a lot of rental programs out there for less "desirable" tenants that are not section 8. They often will subsidize the rent, so the tenant pays part, and the organization pays the balance and secures the lease on their behalf. That way a landlord has more protection for renting to someone that might not qualify otherwise. 

    On pausing Knoxville. Your instinct is right and I'd hold that line, but give it a deadline rather than leaving it open. Thirty days to run all of the above, then decide with information instead of with frustration. This is a leasing problem, and leasing problems resolve in weeks once you can see them clearly.

    You offered to share your numbers, so I'll take you up on it. Is one side of the duplex vacant or both, and can you post the listing link? That changes your carrying math, your urgency, and how far I'd move on the special.

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