Sometimes a Lemon Is Just a Lemon

Sometimes a Lemon Is Just a Lemon

Investor · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2023 · 180 posts · 111 votes

Someone once told me something simple that has stuck with me:

"Sometimes lemons are just lemons. You don't have to make lemonade every time."

The more deals I study, the more sense that makes.

Real estate teaches us to solve problems, and that's valuable. We learn creative finance, negotiation, renovation, repositioning, different exit strategies and ways to structure opportunities that aren't immediately obvious.

Eventually though, creativity can become dangerous if we start believing every problem needs to be solved into a deal.

Sometimes we peel back the layers and discover something we didn't expect.

The rehab is considerably larger than anticipated.

The rents don't support the debt.

The seller's terms don't leave enough margin.

The title has complications.

Our original ARV was too optimistic.

The financing technically works, but leaves everyone with too little room if something changes.

That's where I think experience begins asking a different question.

Not:

"How do I make this deal work?"

But:

"What is this opportunity actually telling me?"

Those are very different questions.

One begins with the outcome already decided. We want the property, so now we're searching for a path that confirms what we want.

The other leaves room for discovery.

Maybe we restructure it.

Maybe the seller adjusts.

Maybe another investor has a strategy better suited for the property.

Maybe we keep the relationship and revisit it six months from now.

Or maybe we simply walk away.

None of those automatically mean the work was wasted.

We still underwrote the property. We practiced asking better questions. We learned something about financing, construction, the market or ourselves. We may have built relationships with lenders, agents, contractors or other investors along the way.

That's another rep.

And sometimes the rep teaches us that the lemon is simply a lemon.

We don't have to squeeze every opportunity until something profitable comes out.

Good stewardship also means knowing when not to transact.

So I'll throw this one toward the experienced investors here:

What made you walk away from a deal you initially really wanted, and what did that decision teach you?

I'd especially love for newer investors to hear those stories.

We spend plenty of time sharing what we bought.

There's probably just as much value in understanding what experienced investors chose not to buy.

Sarge

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Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
2mo

we've made a career out of problem properties like:

failed septic test

landlocked

title problem

foreclosure

tax sale

bank reo

fire/smoke damage

water damage

mold damage

ice damage

unpermitted uses

unpermitted rehabs

wet lands

flood zone

endangered species

historic properties

stimmatized properties

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  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    we've made a career out of problem properties like:

    failed septic test

    landlocked

    title problem

    foreclosure

    tax sale

    bank reo

    fire/smoke damage

    water damage

    mold damage

    ice damage

    unpermitted uses

    unpermitted rehabs

    wet lands

    flood zone

    endangered species

    historic properties

    stimmatized properties

    • Investor · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2023 · 180 posts · 111 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @David Krulac:

      we've made a career out of problem properties like:

      failed septic test

      landlocked

      title problem

      foreclosure

      tax sale

      bank reo

      fire/smoke damage

      water damage

      mold damage

      ice damage

      unpermitted uses

      unpermitted rehabs

      wet lands

      flood zone

      endangered species

      historic properties

      stimmatized properties


       What's the biggest lesson learned and integrated?

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    @Joshua Hardin. Nice horse, I love TN. Lesson Learned: Most problems scare people away, therefore reduces competition. I can't solve every problem and some are not worth the times, energy and money to correct, but I love a challenge that other walk or run away from.

    I bought a property that the attorney for the buyer and the attorney for the seller, both said, "There's nothing that you can do." The deeded owner of the property died in 1910 with apparently no wife, and no children and no known relatives. The grandchildren of the decedant"s girl friend had been paying the taxes for all these years assuming the property was theirs.  When both attorneys told them there was nothing they could do, since they didn't own the property by blood or marriage, and were "not related" to the deeded owner, they walked away and stopped paying the taxes. I bought the property for $4,500, cured the cloud on the title and sold it for $425,000.  I did what 2 attorneys said could not be done!

    • Investor · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2023 · 180 posts · 111 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @David Krulac:

      @Joshua Hardin. Nice horse, I love TN. Lesson Learned: Most problems scare people away, therefore reduces competition. I can't solve every problem and some are not worth the times, energy and money to correct, but I love a challenge that other walk or run away from.

      I bought a property that the attorney for the buyer and the attorney for the seller, both said, "There's nothing that you can do." The deeded owner of the property died in 1910 with apparently no wife, and no children and no known relatives. The grandchildren of the decedant"s girl friend had been paying the taxes for all these years assuming the property was theirs.  When both attorneys told them there was nothing they could do, since they didn't own the property by blood or marriage, and were "not related" to the deeded owner, they walked away and stopped paying the taxes. I bought the property for $4,500, cured the cloud on the title and sold it for $425,000.  I did what 2 attorneys said could not be done!


       I'm interested in hearing more stories and thank you for sharing that one.

      Just goes to show what we can achieve when we believe.

  • Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2mo

    I tihnk your comment of "what made you walk away from a deal you wanted to buy" hits the nail on the head... "wanted to buy".  As soon as we "want" something, we begin to minimize the risks and inflate the opportunities.

    Normally it is a level head of someone that isn't invested emotionally in the deal to help bring that to light.  It is also where I see more mistakes by new investors, but seasoned investors make them too.  

    Sometimes it is the fear of missing out and/or strong desire to get started and call themselves a real estate investor, and simply being excited and eager to get in is the driving force.

    Often times this eagerness is combined with lack of real world knowledge and being overly trusting.  They believe the wholesaler or turnkey groups numbers and buy without verifying.  They don't know how to spot faulty plumbing and don't ask for the full scope of work performed by the turnkey group.  

    But all in all, we all make mistakes.  Even the seasoned investors have issues.  Bad management, bad tenant, not budgeting for the termite damage you discover when you open the walls.

    For me, my one learning lesson for rentals is: lower end rentals never pay off as well as nicer rentals.  The "spreadsheet" shows they will make more money, but you will work a lot more, for hopefully, a little bit more money.  Low end rentals cannot command rent increases.  Lower end rentals turn over more frequently than nicer rentals.  Lower end rentals are harder to find qualified tenants for.  Lower end rentals often have heavier wear and tear at each turn.  And while I did a good job screening my tenants, if you don't, lower end rentals will result in more evictions and credit loss.  ANd my "lower end" does not mean poor physical condition, it is driven by the area your property sits in.

    For the flipping side, it is flip within the price range you know.  The only flip I lost money on was a flip that we sold for more than we could afford ourselves.  With the lesson being, people with "more money" have more options in locations and house styles they buy.

  • G. Brian DavisPro Member
    Investor · Hatboro, PA · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 878 votes
    2mo

    Hi Joshua, I like this framing a lot. I walked away from a fourplex years ago because the rehab kept growing every time we opened another wall, and I finally asked myself if I was solving a problem or just refusing to lose. I let it go. Six months later I found a cleaner deal in a better location for less money. The lesson was that walking away isn't wasted effort, it's data. Every property I underwrite, even ones I pass on, sharpens my sense of what a real margin looks like versus a hopeful one.

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