Devolper Feedback Needed 9+ Acre Indianapolis Redevelopment Opportunity

Devolper Feedback Needed 9+ Acre Indianapolis Redevelopment Opportunity

Trocon KarmoPro Member
Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 1 vote

I’m working with an investment group on a 9+ acre redevelopment opportunity in Indianapolis, and I’m looking for candid feedback from experienced developers, multifamily investors, and land investors.

This isn’t really a “here’s a deal, who wants it?” post. I’m trying to understand why the opportunity isn’t moving and what experienced developers may be seeing that I’m not.

The site consists of approximately 9.2 acres across multiple parcels.

The property previously contained several structures. One parcel has already been demolished and cleared, while the remaining structures would need to be demolished as part of a redevelopment.

Multifamily and affordable-housing concepts have previously been explored for the site. However, a new development would likely require rezoning and/or increased density, meaning there is still meaningful entitlement risk.

The current pricing expectations are approximately:

$3M cash

or

$3.5M–$4.5M with seller financing, depending on the structure and terms.

One of the biggest challenges I see is incomplete due diligence.

There is existing information on the property, but several items a developer would normally want to fully underwrite a redevelopment opportunity either still need to be completed, updated, confirmed, or priced.

That means a developer isn’t simply underwriting the land acquisition. They’re potentially taking on:

• Demolition costs for the remaining structures
• Environmental/site-condition risk
• Utility and infrastructure verification
• Rezoning and entitlement risk
• Density uncertainty
• Development/construction costs
• Financing and carrying costs during the entitlement period
• Uncertainty around the ultimate number of buildable units

We’ve spoken with developers and other groups about the opportunity, but haven’t been able to get it across the finish line.

Instead of continuing to market the property the same way, I’m trying to understand where the deal actually breaks.

For developers who have worked on projects like this, I’d really appreciate your thoughts:

1. What would immediately concern you if this deal came across your desk?

2. Does a $3M cash acquisition price make sense given the amount of pre-development risk still remaining? If not, how would you determine an appropriate land basis?

3. How significantly would the incomplete due diligence affect your valuation? What reports, studies, bids or confirmations would you require before getting serious?

4. Would you put a property like this under contract and complete the due diligence yourself, or would you expect ownership to complete certain items first?

5. With the remaining structures requiring demolition, would you require firm demolition estimates before establishing your land value?

6. How would you handle the entitlement risk? Would you acquire before rezoning, use an entitlement contingency, option the property, or wait until zoning/density was resolved?

7. Could seller financing make the project more attractive even at a $3.5M–$4.5M purchase price? If so, what type of down payment, interest rate, payment structure and term would make that worthwhile?

8. For a multifamily redevelopment, would you primarily value the property based on acreage, comparable land sales, or price per buildable unit?

9. What would ownership need to accomplish before you would seriously consider the opportunity environmental work, demolition bids, utility confirmation, entitlements, density approval, a lower basis, better financing terms, etc.?

And the biggest question:

What am I missing?

If several experienced developers have looked at an opportunity and it still isn’t moving, there’s a reason. I’m trying to determine whether the primary problem is price, due diligence, demolition/site conditions, entitlements, achievable density, financing, transaction structure or a combination of them.

I’m open to constructive criticism. My objective is to better understand how experienced developers would evaluate the opportunity and what would need to change to make it executable.

If anyone here has direct experience with Indianapolis development, multifamily, affordable housing, redevelopment, or land entitlement, I’d especially appreciate your perspective.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
1mo
Quote from @Henry Clark:

OP.  It's kind of like dating and you're saying it's a blind date.  You're asking why no one is asking the person out, without them seeing or knowing the person.

You're coming up with all of the potential reasons, but no one can give you their take since they don't know the property.

Its the front road access turnout.

Its the neighbors.

Time- They want shovel ready, so this reduces their deal time.

Competition for the potential buyer's product.

Competition for similar land available.

We have 5 acres we bought since the price was low.  Don't plan to do anything on it for a while if at all.  We listed a year ago and no action.  Just talked with the Realtor who is the main Commercial Office in our area.  For the same type of zoning, potential buyers, etc etc just a waiting game.  It's a great location and access.  But it will take a certain type of product or operation to utilize.


not sure if your a broker trying to sell this or what your relationship is to the transaction/ or an investor looking to buy it.

Generally speaking on a deal of this size in the current zone and shape its in.. A developer purchaser is going to put up some EM with a very long due diligence time.. then maybe a non refundable EM credited to purchase price then close on the deal once its fully entitled.. 

thats how I see things go on the deals were I fund entitlement monies. 
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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1mo

    OP.  It's kind of like dating and you're saying it's a blind date.  You're asking why no one is asking the person out, without them seeing or knowing the person.

    You're coming up with all of the potential reasons, but no one can give you their take since they don't know the property.

    Its the front road access turnout.

    Its the neighbors.

    Time- They want shovel ready, so this reduces their deal time.

    Competition for the potential buyer's product.

    Competition for similar land available.

    We have 5 acres we bought since the price was low.  Don't plan to do anything on it for a while if at all.  We listed a year ago and no action.  Just talked with the Realtor who is the main Commercial Office in our area.  For the same type of zoning, potential buyers, etc etc just a waiting game.  It's a great location and access.  But it will take a certain type of product or operation to utilize.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1mo
      Quote from @Henry Clark:

      OP.  It's kind of like dating and you're saying it's a blind date.  You're asking why no one is asking the person out, without them seeing or knowing the person.

      You're coming up with all of the potential reasons, but no one can give you their take since they don't know the property.

      Its the front road access turnout.

      Its the neighbors.

      Time- They want shovel ready, so this reduces their deal time.

      Competition for the potential buyer's product.

      Competition for similar land available.

      We have 5 acres we bought since the price was low.  Don't plan to do anything on it for a while if at all.  We listed a year ago and no action.  Just talked with the Realtor who is the main Commercial Office in our area.  For the same type of zoning, potential buyers, etc etc just a waiting game.  It's a great location and access.  But it will take a certain type of product or operation to utilize.


      not sure if your a broker trying to sell this or what your relationship is to the transaction/ or an investor looking to buy it.

      Generally speaking on a deal of this size in the current zone and shape its in.. A developer purchaser is going to put up some EM with a very long due diligence time.. then maybe a non refundable EM credited to purchase price then close on the deal once its fully entitled.. 

      thats how I see things go on the deals were I fund entitlement monies. 
  • Kerry Noble JrPro Member
    Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1mo

    can you give me more info? shoot me a message so i can take a look.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1mo

    OP as I mentioned in your pm.  

    Answer the question “why” there.

     And for what product.  No bus stop or close walk, then no low income or section 8. Grocery store nearby?

    Traffic count

    School quality

    Entertainment

    Land by itself is worthless and costs.  

    Narrow your buyer base down and address what they want.  9 acres is a lot of land if your putting apartments on.  

    Or is it a Costco or Sam site?  

    After that it takes time and the economy cycle for it to sell.  Carrying cost is tough.  Plus you said multiple parcels.  So you have to buy out people or have options in place.  There is no value to the site if you’re trying to get top dollar and the land is not already packaged.  

  • Trocon KarmoPro Member
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    Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    1mo

    Henry and Jay, I appreciate both of you taking the time to give feedback.

    The full nine-acre site is already packaged together, so no additional parcels or owners need to be bought out. The intended direction is affordable or workforce multifamily housing, and the site already has D-8 TOD multifamily zoning.

    The Purple Line station  provides direct service downtown(15 mins ). The nearby CVS is closed, but Indy Fresh Market is a full-service grocery store about two miles east on the same transit corridor. There are also schools and healthcare services nearby, although immediate walkable retail and entertainment are limited.

    Henry, with the land assembled, multifamily zoning in place and transit nearby, what would you examine next to determine whether the location and proposed product are actually strong enough?

    Jay, on the entitlement deals you’ve funded, how are the diligence period, earnest-money increases and nonrefundable milestones normally structured? Who typically pays the entitlement costs, and what protections does each side usually receive if approvals are delayed or denied?

    I’m not asking either of you to evaluate this as a buyer. I’m trying to understand how experienced developers and entitlement investors would work through the remaining risks and move a project like this toward the finish line.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1mo

    OP.  There really are so many things you have to check off.

    ARE you a Wholesaler? If so, this is not the type of project you want to be involved with. 

    If this is a one and done project for you then I wouldn't do it.  You have to fail to some degree.  We all do.  Break the project into sections.  Narrow down the killer items.  Put sub categories under each one.  Post on here and ask people to expand the sections.

    A.   $100,000 nonrefundable, apply to purchase.  Lock the property down or purchase.  

    B.  $100,000 (cheap, just iteration 1)- Engineer site plan.  9 acres is a lot.  Will this be done in how many Phases?  Keep in mind Engineers and GCs do not design in Profit, you have to bring that to the table.  This does not include the Building Engineer design.

    C.  "Time" $???,???- This may take shortest a year, or up to 2 years before even digging.  You have to keep the property locked down or purchase, and I would purchase if your committed to this property.  Time is your enemy.  But Speed kills.  You don't know your planned versus actual Interest rates and you can't lock them in.  Cost of material.  Do we get in another Pissing contest with Canada and Lumer triples; does Concrete just keep going up?

     D.  $4.5mm- what does that represent?  Just the land?  If so, Seller Finance won't work.  Unless it is just for a very short time frame.   On 9 acres, just your parking and driveways will cost up to $2mm for an apartment on 9 acres.  Your storm pond if required will be an 1/2 acre.  A storm drainage system will be say $500,000.  Water and fire hydrants.  Sprinkler systems if required.  Fiber optics.  Electric.  Sidewalks.  Curbs.  Cul De Sacs.  Sewer Lift station. Landscaping $50,000.

    You could spend a single day laying out your steps.  Just asking on a forum is no good.

  • Trocon KarmoPro Member
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    Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    4w

    Yes, we are wholesalers, but this is not intended to be a one time project. Our goal is to structure the opportunity correctly and place it with an experienced developer rather than develop it ourselves.

    The referenced price is for the land and existing improvements, not the total development cost. We have not determined whether the project should be phased because that will require input from a civil engineer and developer. We also understand that entitlements could take one to two years, so we would need sufficient due diligence time and contingencies instead of risking a large nonrefundable deposit upfront.

    At this stage, we are trying to determine what preliminary engineering, environmental, zoning, utility, and demolition information we need before presenting the opportunity to qualified developers, engineers, and capital partners. Who would you recommend bringing in first, and how would you structure site control while that work is completed?

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4w

    OP since you’re trying to wholesale this don’t.  Wasted effort for all parties concerned.  
    1.  Unless you have real deep pockets you can’t tie the land up long enough.  Plus even if you do, your profit will go out the window during that time frame.

    2.  All of your due diligence will be wasted.  Unless it is very product specific.   But if that is the case you cut out 70% of all potential buyers.  Most will redo the due diligence.


    3.  This will be a super high risk project to wholesale.  Your return won’t match the risk.  It’s gambling as a wholesaler.  

  • Investor · Pacific Northwest · Member since 2026 · 511 posts · 290 votes
    3w

    I think the answer may be simpler than the nine questions make it look.

    You’re asking a developer to pay roughly $3M for 9.2 acres while still taking essentially all of the development risk.

    At $3M, that’s about $326k per acre before demolition, environmental work, entitlement, infrastructure, financing carry, design, engineering, and whatever surprises show up once diligence starts.

    But acreage isn’t really the denominator that matters here.

    The denominator is approved buildable units.

    If the site ultimately supports 100 units, your land basis is $30,000/unit before those costs.

    At 150 units, it’s $20,000/unit.

    At 200 units, it’s $15,000/unit.

    Until density is reasonably known, nobody actually knows what they’re paying per developable unit.

    That’s probably why I wouldn’t describe incomplete diligence as the main problem. The bigger problem is that the seller appears to want the buyer to price the land before the variables that create the land’s value have been established.

    And seller financing doesn’t really solve that.

    Paying $4M instead of $3M because the payments are easier is still paying $4M. Financing can improve cash flow and reduce initial equity, but it doesn’t repair an excessive land basis.

    If several competent developers have already looked and passed, I’d treat that as market information. They may not all be independently discovering different problems. They may all be seeing the same asymmetry:

    Seller gets paid for development potential.

    Buyer pays to prove whether that potential actually exists.

    If I were trying to make this executable, I’d focus less on marketing it and more on moving risk back toward ownership.

    Option/extended closing.

    Entitlement contingency.

    Price tied to approved density.

    Seller completes environmental/demolition diligence.

    Or some combination where the final land price changes based on what actually gets approved.

    For example, instead of arguing whether the property is “worth $3M,” define a price per approved buildable unit and let the entitlement process determine the final purchase price.

    Then both parties are negotiating around something measurable.

    Right now the buyer seems to be asked to underwrite:

    demolition + environmental + utilities + entitlement + density + construction economics + carrying cost

    while simultaneously paying the seller as though much of that uncertainty has already been removed.

    That’s where I think the deal breaks.

    The market may not be saying the site is bad.

    It may simply be saying the current owner wants to be paid for value that the next owner still has to create.

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