Real Estate Consultant 路 Summerlin, NV 路 Member since 2014 路 45k+ posts 路 66k+ votes
JLH capital partners ( me) and 7E investments (Chris Seveney) collaborated on a loan on the West Coast.
This is were experienced direct lenders can really do well for their clients and for themselves and investors.
A developer I knew was in a situation were they needed 1.2 million to be able to get a bond to finish infrastructure for their project that was pre sold to Lennar corp for apartments and townhouses. Lennar already had put up a few million so was in senior position and would not allow a junior lender.
As we worked through it our client also had a note on the neighboring property ( first position ) that had plenty of equity coverage for us..
7E came in with their fund for 1 million JLH ( me) came in with 200k.. on a JV we took an assignment of that big note and a pay out agreement with Lennar and the developer.
WE were able to negotiate a flat rate 30% interest. the loan ended up going about 16 17 months 7E made a big hit on their 1 mil for the 7 E fund.. JLO ( me ) made a nice hit on my 200k.
And before you wonder why anyone would pay that amount keep in mind when Lennar closed my borrower pocketed about 5 mil in profit..
So would you pay 500k for a 1.2 mil loan if it got you to the finish line and a 5 mil payoff.. this project they worked on for years and never could get anyone in traditional lending space. And lucky for me Chris at 7 E is highly experienced and has worked in the development fields and understood the deal I was putting together.
So end of the day we made a loan that allowed the deal to go through our borrower made their profit on a project they worked on for half a decade. Lennar got another 200 plus units to build out and JLH and 7E made a nice return for our efforts and ability to think outside the box.
Real Estate Consultant 路 Summerlin, NV 路 Member since 2014 路 45k+ posts 路 66k+ votes
1d
thank you I did not know how i could fix the heading .. although frankly I am not the only one who makes spelling boo boos on the subject line of a new thread.
Ya it was a great deal but frankly it took someone with Chris's extensive knowledge of development and construction to understand how we were structuring the transaction for investor security and as you note a very nice return for his fund.. However keep in mind also I knew the developers met with them in person many times knew the project.. the regional head of Lennar is a colleague of mine knew him for years and prior to him going to Lennar. So for me it was a little bit easier on that side for Chris he is all the way across the country so he dug into it and came to the same conclusions I did to move forward.. This is one of 4 of these type of transactions I have going on.. Only one more to close and that is also a Lennar project 330 lots in Washington DC sub market our return is far higher than this one though as we did take a little more risk on the structure.
Its amazing though all the folks I talk to who are looking for these higher risk plays and seem to think they should pay the same rates as a first position bank loan or HML fix and flip loan.. We are cheap compared to if you had a true equity partner taking half the deal..
then I look at some of these other folks out there raising money from investors on tic tok or facebook who end up doing a complete face plant the Stuart Fox threads are a great example of that.. these investor had NO CLUE what they were doing or investing in.. Same with a lot of LP's in syndication. Not only losing the syndication but like the thread today the second shoe is going to drop when they get a massive IRS tax bill for depreciation recapture.
BP is a great place have to weed through the dreamers ( U know there great idea and your money) to find some plum's. Have a great weekend.
Investor 路 VA 路 Member since 2015 路 21k+ posts 路 19k+ votes
18h
This is what I would consider creative finance with a twist and as you mention the borrower whether paying 10% or 30% on $1M is a few hundred grand to make millions.
Real Estate Consultant 路 Summerlin, NV 路 Member since 2014 路 45k+ posts 路 66k+ votes
7h
This is where I see investor after investor lose deals.. they want or expect lowest rate possible on hardest to finance projects do all this work get them tied up then cant close them because the money they are looking for does not exist at the price they want to pay.. so they step over dollars to try to save pennies.
Rental Property Investor 路 Gilbert, AZ 路 Member since 2016 路 3k+ posts 路 4k+ votes
8h
@Jay Hinrichs that's the benefit of working directly with experienced decision makers.
When you see the track record of the operator and you understand the deal to the degree that you could take the project over and bring it to the finish line if needed, then the risk to you is low, yet because of supply and demand for financing that outside the box, you can demand a higher rate.
I love it. This is what I would call the definition of an unfair advantage, uniquability, or special set of skills that can command a higher pay rate, or in this situation, a higher interest rate.