Rates up 2 points? On a 6-month flip, 0.8% off the price covers it

Rates up 2 points? On a 6-month flip, 0.8% off the price covers it

Lender · Houston, TX · Member since 2026 · 72 posts · 11 votes

An investor I work with told me this week that rates and property taxes have made it hard to find a deal that pencils. Fair complaint. The 30-year average hit 7.28% on October 1, highest since late 2023.

But on a flip or a BRRRR you only pay the rate for the months you hold. You pay the price for the whole deal.

Say your loan is $200,000 and the rate is 2 points higher than it was a couple years ago. Six months of that is about $2,000 extra. A full year is about $4,000. Now say you get 5% off a $250,000 purchase. That's $12,500. On a six-month hold you only need 0.8% off the price to cover the higher rate.

And the discounts are out there. Houston closings were down 11.5% in August and homes sat 54 days on average. Stale listings mean price cuts, seller-paid closing costs and room to negotiate.

Taxes cut the same way. A tax bill $1,500 a year higher adds $125 a month to your retail buyer's payment. At today's rates that's roughly $18,000 less house they can afford when you sell. Put that in your offer and the seller eats it, not you.

The point I keep coming back to: run the numbers before you're in the loan, not after. Once you're funded the price is locked, and the rate is the smallest number in the deal.

I wrote up the full report on my website, which you can find through my profile. You can sign up there to get new reports by email.

For those of you buying right now, what kind of discount or concessions are you actually getting from sellers this fall?

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  • Accountant · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2026 · 94 posts · 50 votes
    3d

    Hi Steve, this is the right way to look at it. Everyone fixates on the rate because it is the number that moves, but you only rent it for a few months. The price you live with for the whole deal. The margin is made on the buy.

    And it stings even less after tax, the interest is a deductible holding cost while the purchase price just sets your basis. One more reason the price is where the real money sits.

    Good report, and the Houston read is useful.

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    I was just talking with someone at the Bigger Pockets conference about this specifically: if an extra half a point or point increase on a flip (which may be held 6 to 12 months) is going to make or break the deal, then it was never a deal. As you mentioned, if you get the property at a discount, it offsets that increase. Far too many people sometimes find ways not to do a deal. There's also the other end of the spectrum where people go into a deal with the rosiest of colored glasses when it was not a deal.

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  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    14h

    Really solid! Thanks for sharing this.

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