30-year at 6.86%: would you take a $10K price cut or a $10K rate buydown?

30-year at 6.86%: would you take a $10K price cut or a $10K rate buydown?

Real Estate Agent · Louisville, KY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Rates finally slipped under 7% this morning, about 6.86% on the 30-year. First time in roughly seven weeks.

That means the question I get on almost every offer right now is going to get even louder: should I ask the seller to cut the price, or ask them to pay to buy my rate down?

Let's run it from the ground up, because I think a lot of buyers pick the wrong one.

The setup

$300,000 house. 20% down, so a $240,000 loan. The seller has agreed to give you $10,000 one way or the other.

Quick definitions first. A point is a fee you pay at closing equal to 1% of the loan. On this loan, one point is $2,400. A common rule of thumb is that one point lowers your rate about a quarter of a percent. Every lender prices this differently, so ask yours for the real number.

Option A: $10,000 off the price

  • Loan drops to $232,000 at 6.86%.

  • Principal and interest: about $1,522 a month.

  • Savings vs. no concession: about $52 a month.

Option B: $10,000 toward a permanent rate buydown

  • $10,000 buys a little over 4 points on a $240,000 loan. At the rule of thumb, that's roughly a full percent, from 6.86% down to about 5.86%.

  • Principal and interest: about $1,417 a month.

  • Savings vs. no concession: about $157 a month.

On payment alone, the buydown wins by about $105 a month, roughly three times the monthly savings of the price cut.

So why doesn't everybody take the buydown?

  • If rates keep falling and you refinance in two or three years, you threw away most of what that buydown paid for. The price cut stays with you forever.

  • A lower price means you start with more equity, and it can help keep your assessed value (what the county taxes you on) lower down the road.

  • There are caps on how much a seller can contribute. On a conventional loan it's generally 3% with less than 10% down, 6% with 10% to 25% down, and 9% with more than 25% down. Investment properties are capped at 2%. FHA allows up to 6%.

There's also a middle option some builders are pushing right now, a temporary buydown (a 2-1 buydown: your rate is 2% lower the first year, 1% lower the second, then full rate). Lower payment while you settle in, but it ends.

My honest take: if you plan to hold the loan a long time and you think rates are stuck near here, the permanent buydown usually wins. If you think rates are headed toward 6% and you'll refinance, take the price.

What's everybody doing on their offers right now? Asking for price, rate, or closing costs? And how many points per quarter percent are your lenders actually quoting this week?

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3h

    In today's environment, I would take the buydown.

    I was also just at a conference, and several large originators all mentioned that the biggest thing sellers are looking at right now is the monthly payment. If they can reduce their monthly payment via a buydown, that is what is preferred right now over taking other types of seller credits.

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  • James JonesPro Member
    Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 695 votes
    2h

    Rob, I would take the price cut, and it is not close for how I buy. I buy single-family under $100,000 and I refinance with a DSCR loan at 70 to 80% loan-to-value. A buydown is money that is gone if I refinance in a few years. A lower price stays in the deal: lower all-in, lower loan amount, and more room against an ARV of $180,000 to $265,000.

    The buydown only wins if you hold that exact loan for a long time. On a rental, I am planning the refi from day one, so I do not pay for a rate I will replace.

    Run the same deal both ways on the all-in and the monthly payment. If the price cut still clears the 1% rule and the DSCR refi, take the cut. What is the ARV and rent on the house you are looking at?

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