Newbie Investor needing advice and guidance

Newbie Investor needing advice and guidance

New to Real Estate · Outside US · Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 1 vote

Hello, my name is Robert and I’m a 46 years old husband and father to two children (both under 5). I’m originally from NYC and I’m currently working overseas for nearly 10 years as a Construction Manager and have been enjoying my time here as well as my family (and the tax benefits too!!). My current salary supports my family comfortably (given that we live well below our means).

It currently seems I’m not going to be coming back to the states anytime soon (given the upcoming projects within the next 3-4 years) but would really appreciate any advice on investment rental property strategy as so to start building the foundation for generational wealth/passive income.

We have saved a substantial amount of money  for which the original intent was to buy our future primary residence with all cash if/when we moved back to the states.

However, that’s not what’s going to build generational wealth and would rather put that money into passive income investments hence, real estate rental properties. We do have our retirement accounts, brokerage accounts, HSA accounts, etc… and will continue to invest money into those respective accounts for retirement purposes.

With above stated, I would appreciate if  anyone can give me an honest opinion on how to start my journey as in what would be the best operation plan/strategy given my current situation and assumed future plans before partaking.

Thanks in advance for anyone replying and assisting in the matter.

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Drew SygitBusiness Member
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
1y

@Nathan Gesner and @Jonathan Greene

Agree with both of you.

There are only two good ones I can think of.

Every Turnkey provider here in Metro Detroit has taken advantage of investors. 

That's why we started offering BRRR Turnkeys, where we help investor source a property (or they can find on their own), we rehab it, supplying rehab videos so they can see what was actually done. Then place tenant and manage it.

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  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    1y

    Welcome, Robert. While you are still out of the country, personally I would not invest in anything here in the US that needs active management. It's a good idea to start doing the research and planning, but adding stateside management now might just become something where you find it hard to manage the manager. Syndications and funds are a great, truly passive real estate investments that can marinate while you are still over there.

    I wonder if you've thought about investing where you are now and using real estate as a bridge to potential dual citizenship there. Just another thought.

  • New to Real Estate · Outside US · Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    1y

    Hello Jonathan, 

    Thanks for the reply. 

    I will consider your suggestion's particularly the investigating of the local real estate market here (or as a minimum use it as a guide for if/when i return to the states as so to develop my research and planning skills).

    Appreciate your feedback. 
     

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    1y

    It's important to understand that real estate is not "passive" investing. Someone has to manage the rental, and it's very active. You would need to find a property manager to care for the investment until you return, which will eat into the profits. But it can be done.

    I only recommend investing if you can find a quality property manager, one with at least ten years experience managing hundreds of rentals and really good reputation.

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  • New to Real Estate · Outside US · Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    1y

    Dear Nathan, Thanks for your reply. I do understand real estate is not a " passive" investment and does take hands on work with regards to even managing a the property manager.

    My initial thought was/is (given my current status) that the optimal strategy would be to look into turnkey properties to get started and once I move back into the states get into/invest in more areas of real estate investing. 

     Once again thanks for taking the time out to respond and give your advise. Much appreciated.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Robert M.:

    The problem with turnkey? If they were good investments, they would keep them for themselves.

    Here's how turnkey works. 

    1. They buy a fixer-upper below market price.

    2. They renovate it with their own contractors to save costs.

    3. They sell it to an investor for market rate and make a good profit.

    4. The manage it for that investor and continue making profit, even if the investor doesn't.

    Again, if these homes were cash flowing $200 a month, they would keep them for themselves.

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  • New to Real Estate · Outside US · Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    1y

    Wow! Nathan thanks so much for that information. 

    Really puts into perspective my strategy given my current situation.

    I will continue to accumulate capitol and work on my skills/knowledge for when i will embark on my rental real estate journey whether it be here (if i stay longer than anticipated) or when I come back to the US once my contract is completed. 

    Once again, thank you and really appreciate your feedback. 

  • Michael SmytheBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y

    @Robert M. some good advice from @Jonathan Greene!

    Pretty good from @Nathan Gesner too, BUT not 100% all the time.

    We know some turnkey companies that do NOT want to own real estate or are very picky about what they keep and sell the rest.

    It is a challenge making sure they are not selling you the property for MORE than it is worth.

    What country are you currently working in?

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  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Michael Smythe:

    I'm sure there are solid turnkey providers out there, but few and far between. If you listen to David Greene, he also recommends staying away from them. 

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  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
    Quote from @Michael Smythe:

    I'm sure there are solid turnkey providers out there, but few and far between. If you listen to David Greene, he also recommends staying away from them. 


    I have talked to a lot of different ones and have found one that I really like because they have been doing it for twenty years and have vertically integrated property management and construction and a construction warehouse for fixes and everyone is on-staff. It's the best model I have ever seen for turnkey. Because I agree with what you said. It's why I have not recommended any before.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    @Nathan Gesner and @Jonathan Greene

    Agree with both of you.

    There are only two good ones I can think of.

    Every Turnkey provider here in Metro Detroit has taken advantage of investors. 

    That's why we started offering BRRR Turnkeys, where we help investor source a property (or they can find on their own), we rehab it, supplying rehab videos so they can see what was actually done. Then place tenant and manage it.

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