Bought first three duplexes this year, not sure where to go from here

Bought first three duplexes this year, not sure where to go from here

Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes

Hi all,

I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

Thank you,

Ryan

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Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Don't forget about the equity you are building in each of your properties. That is often overlooked by people when judging how good of an investment is. I structure my investments to have lower cash flow and more equity build. This doesn't make a lot of money right now, but will in the future. That being said, multifamily has better economy of scale, but still you cannot expect big cash flow right away.
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  • Investor · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Keep in mind that the goal isn't to see how many properties you can own. The goal is to make money. It's usually better to own fewer but nicer  properties that will appreciate over time rather than buy cheaper properties and hope to cashflow a few hundred a month with poor appreciation. Best of luck to you.

    • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Eric Gerakos:

      Keep in mind that the goal isn't to see how many properties you can own. The goal is to make money. It's usually better to own fewer but nicer  properties that will appreciate over time rather than buy cheaper properties and hope to cashflow a few hundred a month with poor appreciation. Best of luck to you.


       Hey, Eric. Thanks for the insight. I expect my current properties will appreciate quite a bit over the next decade and further. Im wondering what I should be doing to get better cash flow on rentals while I wait for them to appreciate. Debating putting some money into these houses to attract some better tenants. 

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan TongueThis is a common position investors face when getting into real estate, as far as what direction they should go and how to scale their portfolio.

    At its core, scaleability is a factor of the equity and cash you can get your hands on. You have actually scaled much more quickly than most because of the partner. A first option then would be to find another partner.

    The second option would be to cash out refi those properties to access some of that equity. The problem with that is that a refi will almost never improve the performance of a so-so property. Make sure you understand what the impact of a refi will be on your current property's performance.

    With that being said, a third option would be to sell and use a 1031 exchange. A 1031 exchange allows you to sell investment property and buy investment property/properties using all of the tax and depreciation that you would normally pay, and instead, you get to use it to purchase your next investment property. Plus you use all of the equity (not some of it) in your next purchases. There's an added bonus that you could separate from your partner if desired. And if you want to get into value add projects then boot strap and swing a hammer yourself :)

    Investors will often use a 1031 exchange in their BRRRR strategy to take advantage of those tax dollars, making it easier to scale their portfolio and continue that process until they decide to retire completely passive.

    To boil it down a bit, you want to determine what kind of investor you are. For example, how passive or hands-on would you like to be, or are you looking for mostly cash flow or appreciation? And don't forget that low cash flow is not the indicator that you have made a bad investment. You might have low interest loans that are returning your capital faster. And appreciation is still happening as well.

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    • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Dave Foster:

      @Ryan TongueThis is a common position investors face when getting into real estate, as far as what direction they should go and how to scale their portfolio.

      At its core, scaleability is a factor of the equity and cash you can get your hands on. You have actually scaled much more quickly than most because of the partner. A first option then would be to find another partner.

      The second option would be to cash out refi those properties to access some of that equity. The problem with that is that a refi will almost never improve the performance of a so-so property. Make sure you understand what the impact of a refi will be on your current property's performance.

      With that being said, a third option would be to sell and use a 1031 exchange. A 1031 exchange allows you to sell investment property and buy investment property/properties using all of the tax and depreciation that you would normally pay, and instead, you get to use it to purchase your next investment property. Plus you use all of the equity (not some of it) in your next purchases. There's an added bonus that you could separate from your partner if desired. And if you want to get into value add projects then boot strap and swing a hammer yourself :)

      Investors will often use a 1031 exchange in their BRRRR strategy to take advantage of those tax dollars, making it easier to scale their portfolio and continue that process until they decide to retire completely passive.

      To boil it down a bit, you want to determine what kind of investor you are. For example, how passive or hands-on would you like to be, or are you looking for mostly cash flow or appreciation? And don't forget that low cash flow is not the indicator that you have made a bad investment. You might have low interest loans that are returning your capital faster. And appreciation is still happening as well.


       Hey Dave, thanks for such a detailed response. Thanks for explaining a 1031 exchange, I'm sure I'll be using that in the future. I have a couple of questions:

      How does someone use a 1031 exchange in the BRRRR process? Isn't the idea behind a BRRRR that you aren't selling the property after rehabbing it, but refinancing it instead? How is a 1031 exchange used if you aren't selling the property?

      My second question: we bought these properties mainly for appreciation, as my partner and I are very confident in the growth of the market we purchased in (and they still cash flow decently). Because we bought these properties for appreciation, I don't really want to sell for the next 10 years or so. For my next investment, however, I'm seeking cash flow. It seems like cash flow is difficult with today's interest rates unless I were to put a lot of capital down. If you had $50K to invest in any asset class with the objective of cash flow, where would you be looking? How might your answer change if you had half a million in capital from an outside investor? 

      Thanks again.

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      Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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  • E. James JacksonBusiness Member
    USA · Member since 2025 · 20 posts · 22 votes
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    Ryan,

    I came from a similar place when I started out as an investor. I have two partners, and we bought a few rentals and realized our strategy was not scalable. We also realized we could not really refinance either because our interest rates were so low, and we did not price in the interest rate increases (this was back in 2020/2021). We chose to start flipping and dump our profit into the rental business. To fund the flip projects, we would use a combination of some of our remaining funds, HELOCs, hard money loans, and primarily private money loans. I recommend taking inventory of your assets and their performance, your relationships, and skills. This way, you can hone in on what is working and how scaling will work best for you in your area. It sounds like a BRRRR would be a great option, and seeking private capital or hard money would help you fund that. You may also want to look into exiting one of your other positions if your projections are not showing the return you desire, but I would start with leveraging relationships and pulling together a private money fund. If you bring in equity partners, things can get very complex, but I would be happy to schedule a call to talk about that and to help set out a game plan with milestones so you can reach your financial and business goals.

  • Benjamin AakerPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Don't forget about the equity you are building in each of your properties. That is often overlooked by people when judging how good of an investment is. I structure my investments to have lower cash flow and more equity build. This doesn't make a lot of money right now, but will in the future. That being said, multifamily has better economy of scale, but still you cannot expect big cash flow right away.
  • Melissa JusticeBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2024 · 518 posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Tongue,

    Hey Ryan! First off, massive props to you. Buying three duplexes at 23 while in college is no small feat. You already have more experience and equity under your belt than most do in their 30s, so you’re on the right path.

    That said, I completely understand where you’re coming from. Putting down 20% on multiple properties just to net a few hundred a month can feel like slow progress, especially when you’re hungry to scale. The good news is: you’ve built a strong foundation, and now it’s about using strategy to unlock that next level.

    Here are a few solid directions you could take:
    1. BRRRR Strategy (Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat)
    You're thinking in the right direction — BRRRR is a great way to recycle capital.

    You don't necessarily need all-cash to BRRRR. Consider hard money loans or private lenders to fund the purchase and rehab. After stabilization, refinance into a long-term DSCR or conventional loan. Just be cautious of today's higher interest rates and tighter refinance requirements — you need to buy deep enough to make it work.

    2. Small Apartment Complex (5+ Units)
    Going bigger can actually be easier to scale, especially if you're bringing in outside investors. Bigger properties are valued based on net operating income (NOI), meaning there's more room to force appreciation and exit with a refinance or sale. Syndication or joint ventures could work here, especially if you're comfortable raising capital.

    3. Value-Add or Light Flip Deals
    If you're looking to build up capital quickly, a light rehab flip could work, especially in your local market or a market you know well. Even just doing live-in flips (if you're open to it) or combining with a house hack could free up equity and reduce living costs while building momentum.

    4. Partnering Smart
    You mentioned potentially raising $500K- that's a huge advantage. Just make sure you structure it with clarity: are they passive investors? Equity partners? Debt lenders? Outline roles, returns, and exit strategies.

    Final Thoughts:
    You’re 100% right -- saving up $50K per deal just to cash flow a few hundred/month isn’t scalable long term. The next phase is all about velocity of capital — how to use it, recycle it, and grow it. Whether it’s BRRRRs, small multis, or flips, the key is to find deals where your capital doesn’t sit stagnant.

    Keep doing what you’re doing, but add strategy to experience, and you’ll be well on your way.

    Happy to connect if you ever want to bounce off deal ideas!

    Best,

    Melissa

    • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Melissa Justice:

      @Ryan Tongue,

      Hey Ryan! First off, massive props to you. Buying three duplexes at 23 while in college is no small feat. You already have more experience and equity under your belt than most do in their 30s, so you’re on the right path.

      That said, I completely understand where you’re coming from. Putting down 20% on multiple properties just to net a few hundred a month can feel like slow progress, especially when you’re hungry to scale. The good news is: you’ve built a strong foundation, and now it’s about using strategy to unlock that next level.

      Here are a few solid directions you could take:
      1. BRRRR Strategy (Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat)
      You're thinking in the right direction — BRRRR is a great way to recycle capital.

      You don't necessarily need all-cash to BRRRR. Consider hard money loans or private lenders to fund the purchase and rehab. After stabilization, refinance into a long-term DSCR or conventional loan. Just be cautious of today's higher interest rates and tighter refinance requirements — you need to buy deep enough to make it work.

      2. Small Apartment Complex (5+ Units)
      Going bigger can actually be easier to scale, especially if you're bringing in outside investors. Bigger properties are valued based on net operating income (NOI), meaning there's more room to force appreciation and exit with a refinance or sale. Syndication or joint ventures could work here, especially if you're comfortable raising capital.

      3. Value-Add or Light Flip Deals
      If you're looking to build up capital quickly, a light rehab flip could work, especially in your local market or a market you know well. Even just doing live-in flips (if you're open to it) or combining with a house hack could free up equity and reduce living costs while building momentum.

      4. Partnering Smart
      You mentioned potentially raising $500K- that's a huge advantage. Just make sure you structure it with clarity: are they passive investors? Equity partners? Debt lenders? Outline roles, returns, and exit strategies.

      Final Thoughts:
      You’re 100% right -- saving up $50K per deal just to cash flow a few hundred/month isn’t scalable long term. The next phase is all about velocity of capital — how to use it, recycle it, and grow it. Whether it’s BRRRRs, small multis, or flips, the key is to find deals where your capital doesn’t sit stagnant.

      Keep doing what you’re doing, but add strategy to experience, and you’ll be well on your way.

      Happy to connect if you ever want to bounce off deal ideas!

      Best,

      Melissa


       Thanks for your response Melissa! This was exactly what I'm looking for. I have a few follow up questions -- I contacted you at the number you provided!

  • Investor · Reseda, CA · Member since 2019 · 297 posts · 150 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Tongue:

    Hi all,

    I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

    My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

    Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

    Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

    Thank you,

    Ryan


    I have a friend that raises money privately for the down payment and then executes an out-of-state BRRRR strategy. Would be happy to make an introduction. Just email me.

    • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Austin Fowler:
      Quote from @Ryan Tongue:

      Hi all,

      I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

      My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

      Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

      Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

      Thank you,

      Ryan


      I have a friend that raises money privately for the down payment and then executes an out-of-state BRRRR strategy. Would be happy to make an introduction. Just email me.


       Hi Austin -- I reached out via email. Thanks for the offer to connect!

  • Specialist · NJ · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 649 votes
    1y

    If you are cash heavy, you want to use that to your advantage. Most ppl have to fish in the MLS/over priced wholesale pond. They have only 50k and they need the most financing leverage they can get. So they are stuck in a very small pond with a million rods in it. Getting the BRRRR to work from this pond is nearly impossible, and as you've experienced buying turnkey makes you question the cash flow over the liquidity.

    There is another pond, but it's dangerous.  Your moving cash around, sometimes without 100% vetting, but purchases will be under market.  I'm talking auctions, foreclosures, short-sales, direct from sellers in dire need.  This is the pond that the players fish in.  Cash deals.  Quick closes.  Money being sunk into undervalued RE.  The barrier to entry is the knowledge.  Someone needs to know the market street by street.  I mean school districts, parking, downtown, where the parks are, the restaurants and shops, colleges, even the good sections of the bad zip codes.  Your end goal is to pick up an asset for 50% - 75% of it's current as-is value.  Once the deed is in your name, you do a full inspection of the property to understand which of the 4 exits you plan on doing:

    1) You don't lift a finger and add 20% - 25% markup and sell it to another investor who will take it all the way. You make an outstanding APR on a 3 - 5 month capital investment.

    2) You decide to to a very light rehab, freshen it up, patch up any glaring issues, and you list it on the MLS for someone to buy as a cash flowing rental. Your return on cash will be 25% - 50% in 6 months, nearly a 100% APR. If it doesn't sell you can refi out FOR JUST YOUR MONEY BACK, nothing extra and keep it as a cash flowing asset you have nothing into.

    3) You wanna flip it, so you can take the property to a lender who will put you in a delayed purchase Bridge loan and they will give you 80% - 90% of the purchase back, plus supply you with the rehab money to fix the house. You gain your liquidity back, but you'll carry the note for 6 - 8 months probably, but the return here can be substantial b/c you were in under market to begin with. This is the "going for it step". If you go for it, the conditions need to be right. That means mortgage rates need to be on a descending trend, the market the house is in has to be active, and the asset itself needs to be in a good school district and have a driveway and not be too far from downtown. A lot of the intangibles have to make sense. But when this step is pulled off from the bottom rung, the payday is huge. Last year, my partner in Pittsburgh bought a house at auction for 35k. He sold it untouched to an investor for 120k. Incredible school district, but no parking. So my partner opted for making a quick 85k and call it a day, but the buyer's lender did an appraisal and the ARV was 330k, but it needed 110k in work. So a 145k project cost with an ARV of 330k. You can't kiss that net. You can give it away at 250k and still do very well. These are the situations you will find yourself in buying this way. 44% project cost. The investors in that crowded pound are tickled pink if they snag a 75% project.

    4) You know you want to keep this in your portfolio from get go, you go to the lender and do step 3 but instead of sell you do a DSCR refi but only take your money back. So in example above you would find a renter for like 2700 - 3000 per month, shouldn't be hard in that school district. You go to your Lender and you do a 45% leverage DSCR, which should have a great rate to it. Your monthly would be 1100 - 1300, maybe. You're in for 0 and collecting 1500/month. Now just add 9 more!

    • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 21 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Mike Klarman:

      If you are cash heavy, you want to use that to your advantage. Most ppl have to fish in the MLS/over priced wholesale pond. They have only 50k and they need the most financing leverage they can get. So they are stuck in a very small pond with a million rods in it. Getting the BRRRR to work from this pond is nearly impossible, and as you've experienced buying turnkey makes you question the cash flow over the liquidity.

      There is another pond, but it's dangerous.  Your moving cash around, sometimes without 100% vetting, but purchases will be under market.  I'm talking auctions, foreclosures, short-sales, direct from sellers in dire need.  This is the pond that the players fish in.  Cash deals.  Quick closes.  Money being sunk into undervalued RE.  The barrier to entry is the knowledge.  Someone needs to know the market street by street.  I mean school districts, parking, downtown, where the parks are, the restaurants and shops, colleges, even the good sections of the bad zip codes.  Your end goal is to pick up an asset for 50% - 75% of it's current as-is value.  Once the deed is in your name, you do a full inspection of the property to understand which of the 4 exits you plan on doing:

      1) You don't lift a finger and add 20% - 25% markup and sell it to another investor who will take it all the way. You make an outstanding APR on a 3 - 5 month capital investment.

      2) You decide to to a very light rehab, freshen it up, patch up any glaring issues, and you list it on the MLS for someone to buy as a cash flowing rental. Your return on cash will be 25% - 50% in 6 months, nearly a 100% APR. If it doesn't sell you can refi out FOR JUST YOUR MONEY BACK, nothing extra and keep it as a cash flowing asset you have nothing into.

      3) You wanna flip it, so you can take the property to a lender who will put you in a delayed purchase Bridge loan and they will give you 80% - 90% of the purchase back, plus supply you with the rehab money to fix the house. You gain your liquidity back, but you'll carry the note for 6 - 8 months probably, but the return here can be substantial b/c you were in under market to begin with. This is the "going for it step". If you go for it, the conditions need to be right. That means mortgage rates need to be on a descending trend, the market the house is in has to be active, and the asset itself needs to be in a good school district and have a driveway and not be too far from downtown. A lot of the intangibles have to make sense. But when this step is pulled off from the bottom rung, the payday is huge. Last year, my partner in Pittsburgh bought a house at auction for 35k. He sold it untouched to an investor for 120k. Incredible school district, but no parking. So my partner opted for making a quick 85k and call it a day, but the buyer's lender did an appraisal and the ARV was 330k, but it needed 110k in work. So a 145k project cost with an ARV of 330k. You can't kiss that net. You can give it away at 250k and still do very well. These are the situations you will find yourself in buying this way. 44% project cost. The investors in that crowded pound are tickled pink if they snag a 75% project.

      4) You know you want to keep this in your portfolio from get go, you go to the lender and do step 3 but instead of sell you do a DSCR refi but only take your money back. So in example above you would find a renter for like 2700 - 3000 per month, shouldn't be hard in that school district. You go to your Lender and you do a 45% leverage DSCR, which should have a great rate to it. Your monthly would be 1100 - 1300, maybe. You're in for 0 and collecting 1500/month. Now just add 9 more!


      Hey Mike, thanks for the in-depth answer to my question. I'll be saving this for when I'm ready to start searching for my next deal. 

      I have access to a hefty amount of cash if I can come up with a short term deal for my private lender. But let's say I go with option 4 that you described and I keep the property as a rental: what sort of deal should I approach my lender with if it's a long term investment? 

  • Scott WolfPro Member
    Lender · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 956 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Tongue:

    Hi all,

    I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

    My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

    Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

    Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

    Thank you,

    Ryan


    Hey Ryan, we have a great BRRRR product that might work for your next deal. Hit me up if you want to discuss.

  • Lender · South Lake Tahoe, CA · Member since 2019 · 109 posts · 36 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Tongue:

    Hi all,

    I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

    My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

    Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

    Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

    Thank you,

    Ryan


    Hi Ryan,

    It’s great to hear about your progress in real estate already at such a young age—three duplexes at 23 is impressive! Your takeaway about tying up capital with limited cash flow is a common learning curve for many investors, and it sounds like you're ready to take the next step toward more scalable investments.

    Given that you're looking to recycle capital and improve cash flow, I think you're on the right track by considering options like BRRRR (Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat). While it's true that not having enough capital for a full cash purchase can be a hurdle, you can still make this strategy work with creative financing, including:

    • Hard Money Loans: These are typically used for the purchase and rehab phases, which would allow you to buy and renovate the property without needing all the cash upfront. Once the rehab is done and you refinance into a long-term loan, you can recoup a significant portion of your initial investment and continue to scale.

    • Private Money: Since you mentioned having investors interested, you might also consider bringing on private lenders for a more flexible arrangement. This allows you to secure the funds needed for purchases and renovations without having to tie up your own capital.

    Scaling with Apartments or Multi-Family

    If cash flow is a priority, apartment complexes or larger multi-family units could be a great direction to explore. These properties often offer better economies of scale—more units mean more rental income, which improves your cash flow significantly. You could look into:

    • Small Multifamily (5-20 units): These are often easier to finance with standard commercial loans, and you can use similar strategies (BRRRR, seller financing, etc.) to scale.

    • Larger Multifamily Syndications: If you raise capital from other investors (like you mentioned with your potential $0.5M), you could take a more active role in larger multifamily syndications, which often generate better cash flow due to the sheer number of units.

    Flips for Short-Term Profit

    If you’re aiming for a quicker return on investment, flipping could be a good way to go. However, keep in mind that flipping comes with more risk and requires you to be very accurate with your rehab costs and timelines. This could be a good strategy if you can find properties below market value and have reliable contractors.

    Additional Suggestions:

    1. Joint Ventures (JVs): Since you have investors interested, consider joint ventures for larger projects where you can contribute your expertise (and possibly some capital), while the other investors bring in funding. JVs allow you to scale faster without putting up all the capital yourself, and the shared risk is more manageable.

    2. Consider Lease Options or Seller Financing: These are more creative ways to secure properties without large down payments, giving you the flexibility to control the asset, renovate, and later refinance without tying up too much initial capital.

    3. Focus on Cash Flow: When you look at new properties, prioritize cash flow and sustainability. A property with good cash flow can offset the holding costs and create opportunities for future investments. Look for markets with strong rental demand and appreciation potential.

    Conclusion

    To summarize:

    • Look into BRRRR with the help of private or hard money loans to minimize capital tied up.

    • Consider scaling into small multifamily units or even syndications if you plan to raise significant capital.

    • If you're feeling ambitious and want quicker returns, flipping can be a profitable strategy but requires a higher level of expertise.

    The key is balancing your capital, risk, and desired returns to find a strategy that aligns with your long-term goals. Keep leveraging your network of investors and continue expanding your knowledge on these strategies.

    Best of luck with your next steps—looking forward to hearing about your next move!

    Best,

  • Alecia LovelessPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Tongue Just to be clear a few hundred bucks of cash flow on a duplex in today’s market is solid.

    There’s no get rich quick scheme in real estate that I know of, it’s a long term investment strategy.

  • Ryan KellyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Tongue some sage advice to share. Too many investors plant a seed in the ground and then are frustrated they don't have a mature tree bearing lots of fruit (cash flow) six months later. Growing a tree takes consistent care (property management), fertilizing (maintenance), and water (capital) to keep it alive and growing for many years. The fruit, or steady positive cash flow, is typically the result of several years of maintaining and improving the property. What is the reward while you wait? Appreciation, depreciation, and loan pay down. These are the early benefits you get for planting the seed. Keep at it and focus on the long-term goals.  

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    Rentals are really a long-term play, not short-term.

    Investors' perceptions got skewed with the Great Recession artificially slashing housing prices, but not rents. 

    Those days are over.

    If you want to make a living at real estate and replace a day job income, then you'll need to get into flips, sales or creatig your own syndication(s).

  • Elise Bickel TauberBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Cranberry Twp · Member since 2017 · 384 posts · 198 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Tongue:

    Hi all,

    I'm 23, bought my first three duplexes last fall (in a partnership, not the sole owner). I was in college at the time of investment and didn't have the bandwidth to take on a renovation, so all three properties were relatively straight forward: 20% down fixed 30-year, place a tenant, wait. 

    My biggest takeaway from the experience is that we tied up a lot of capital for very little cash flow -- essentially, I don't feel that I put myself in a position to scale. I'd like for my next investment to be made with some sort of exit plan to recycle and reuse the capital put into it. I'd lean towards a BRRRR, but I certainly won't have enough capital to make a cash purchase for a while.

    Where should I go next? Should I be looking at apartment complexes for better cash flow? Some sort of flip? I appreciate that it takes time to build passive income in real-estate, but I'm hoping there's a smarter way to go about it than saving up $50K to dump into a property that cash flows a few hundred a month. 

    Would appreciate any advice regarding the direction I should go next. Another thing that might be an important factor is that I'm confident I could raise about $0.5mil in cash if I did want to bring on other investors who've expressed interest. 

    Thank you,

    Ryan


     This is one of the most common questions that I get from my investors who are looking to scale. I have investors looking to purchase 3-5 new properties a month but do not have (or want to spend maybe) the cash to be doing 20% down deals. I have gotten really creative with some deals. Everything from Owner financed deals where we've closed with as little as $3k down to sellers assist deals to all kind of neat things. Just had a deal I closed in February where my client was able to get creative with their lender and put down $4500 on a triplex that was a $180k purchase.

    If you don't want to get creative , brrrs are the way to go 100%. Most of the hard money lenders and private lenders will do this with 10% down on the purchase and will cover 100% of the renovation costs. Be aware that these deals are great but you will pay a lot in interest and fees. But could be a great way to scale a bit faster with less cash down. You would re-fi out of these and, if done right, would get all your money back you put in and go onto your next one.

    Let me know if I can be of any help at all!

  • Specialist · NJ · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 649 votes
    1y

    Most Private lenders do not do 30 yr DSCR. They like quick capital turnaround.

    The best step 4 option is a local credit union in the market you are in. They will be 3/4 of a point lower than any HML. You may need to open a bank account there and maybe hold some money in it, but you'll get the best rate and they usually have 20 or 25 yr mortgages.

  • Kerlous TadresBusiness Member
    Realtor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    Hey Ryan, it sounds like you're ready to level up. I'd recommend looking into the BRRRR strategy for your next deal. You can use hard money or private money for the purchase and rehab, then refinance once the value increases. This lets you pull your money out and keep it moving. As for the property type, apartment complexes could be good for better cash flow, but I'd suggest starting with smaller multi-family properties until you get more experience. Raising capital with investors is also a smart move. $0.5 mil is a solid amount to help fund your deals.

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