Starting out in LA Scared and Difficulty Focusing

Starting out in LA Scared and Difficulty Focusing

Erin W.Pro Member
Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 2 votes

Hi, I've long been *interested* in real estate investing but have always felt scared, young and too poor.  I've finally convinced myself that I am able to buy, but would only feel comfortable up to around $300k.  I'm interested in house hacking but open to other opportunities.

Honestly, I'm still scared and my current thoughts are this: for my first purchase, it's ok not to cash flow or adhere to any formulas because as long as I'm paying less than I'm paying for rent right now, it would be an improvement in my situation and I will at least learn more by getting firsthand experience in buying real estate.  And even if I end up just buying a small condo and living in it alone, it is better than renting (?? yes? no?).  The reason why I set the bar at less than my current rent is because my current rent is at the upper limit of my comfort zone.  Are there any pitfalls to this kind of attitude?

I'm also having difficulty choosing an area in LA to target.  Right now I live in Pasadena.  I really love the area but I don't know if it would be the right place for me to buy because it's expensive.  It's also far from work (but it's close to family).  The other 2 places I'm thinking of are Long Beach and Inglewood.  Both seem more affordable to me.  Long Beach seems to have more of the walkability and metro rail access, which are big reasons why I like Pasadena.  The commute to work would not be much better than my current one from Pasadena.  Inglewood, on the other hand, is very close to where I work.  It doesn't seem to have those things I like right now, but it sounds like it will in the future with new developments, Crenshaw Line, etc.  

Oh, the other option would be to continue renting in Pasadena, perhaps finding a roommate to save money and try to invest elsewhere in a cheaper market...but the long-distance thing sounds even more scary to me.

Any advice or opinions would be appreciated!

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Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 69 posts · 75 votes
10y

Hey Erin.  I'm from Pasadena as well and I worked with my family brokerage selling homes in the area.  Have you ever thought about Altadena area?  There are still some pockets that are underdeveloped.  I know growth is creeping up to those areas of Altadena.  Maybe now would be a good time to buy if you can find a good deal there.  What do you think?

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  • Real Estate Agent · Burbank, CA · Member since 2012 · 271 posts · 79 votes
    10y

    @Erin W. Welcome to BP!

    I would recommend a house hacking strategy. 

    First decide where you want to live and then look for an opportunity to house hack in that area, it can be a condo and rent rooms, SFR or Duplex. Depends of what you can afford in that area.

    Also talked to a lender and see how much you can afford to buy, get pre approved.

  • Erin W.Pro Member
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    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    cool thanks @Ciprian L.!  I am talking to a lender and am in the process of gathering/submitting paperwork to get pre approved.

  • Soledad, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    glad to see im not the only pure beginner here looking in this market...I live in central California and will be looking in the los ángeles market too. Ive lived in Pasadena, LA Puente, west covina and central la as well. I would love to keep in touch with u as a new invest and see how u are coming along. I'm still scared to make a move in central californIA as I'm not going it alone but bringing my family along for the rode as well so there's is great fear of failure for me

  • Erin W.Pro Member
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    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    @Anthony Ghotti cool, we've lived in a lot of the same places lol.  I'm curious--why are you looking in LA when you live in central California?  I guess for me part of what's scary is the price..LA seems so expensive to me!

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    To begin you need to understand that owning a home is more expensive than renting, always will be. This means you had better get your head around making money as opposed to breaking even otherwise you will end up going bankrupt.

    If you want to buy a house go ahead, it is a personal life style choice not a investment. It is a liability and you would be better off continuing to rent if you want to invest. If you are going to invest you had better dam well plan on making a profit otherwise you are not investing. 

    Also if you want to invest rent something less expensive than the upper limit of your comfort zone, live frugally, get rid of unnecessary luxury toys and save every penny you can. Living that way will teach you the value of money and change your attitude about making a profit.

  • Erin W.Pro Member
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    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    @greg s. Fwiw, I've only been in my current situation for a few months. Previously, I was living well within my comfort zone so I have savings from before. Being in this new living situation is part of what's causing me to think about buying now.

    So exactly what makes owning more expensive than renting? I realize that what I'm suggesting is not really investing since I'm OK with not profiting. But I'm thinking of it more as a gateway to investing. Right now I pay $1600 for rent. If I found something where my monthly expenses were $1500 and got a roommate to pay say $800, I thought that would be better than my rent since not only would I be paying less per month, but it would be going towards my equity? Which could help in the future since I have something I could sell or get a heloc from? People have been telling me that by renting, I'm just paying someone else's mortgage, which bothers me. I realize that to own there are maintenance expenses, taxes, etc but am I missing something?

  • Home Stager · San Luis Obispo, CA · Member since 2016 · 312 posts · 49 votes
    10y

    hi erin, welcome! newbie here too. starting out can be scary indeed... just wished to introduce myself. formerly from washington, dc, i'm just getting started in the staging arena in california and i'm looking to make some connections as well. thanks and sincerely, sydney

  • Real Estate Investor · Torrance, CA · Member since 2015 · 186 posts · 45 votes
    10y

    @Erin W.

    Welcome to BP.  I am with @Ciprian L. and completely agree with the house hacking strategy.  Being owner occupied, you can leverage your down payment further (but not too far!).

    You made a comment about paying less rent than you are paying now.  Keep in mind you will ALSO be paying principle in each payment... Thus, increasing your net worth and building equity. 

    Not too sure what your current financial situation is so I would not be able to steer you to market you could safely afford... Or what type of property to suggest.

    When you say $300k, do you mind me asking how you came to that?  Feel free to PM me if you want to keep it private.

    Cheers!
    David

  • Soledad, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    @Erin W. i will be choosing the LA market as part of my overall goal because of the fact that i have lived there and have an overall general idea of where to look. A, B, and C neighborhoods. Things of that nature. Aside from all that, all my family still reside in LA. I could create deals and manage properties somewhat comfortable as i will have a place to rest my head everynight without the expense of a hotel of a rental for different periods of time. Creating contacts in Los Angeles would be a plus as well seeing as how i wont be restricted to near by Counties . Overall, for future purposes, expanding that far would be a stepping stone to increasing units and contacts to build a great business. I would have a foundation for my company that starts in Monterey County and stretches south 6hrs to Los Angeles County.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 69 posts · 75 votes
    10y

    Hey Erin.  I'm from Pasadena as well and I worked with my family brokerage selling homes in the area.  Have you ever thought about Altadena area?  There are still some pockets that are underdeveloped.  I know growth is creeping up to those areas of Altadena.  Maybe now would be a good time to buy if you can find a good deal there.  What do you think?

  • Real Estate Agent · Redlands, CA · Member since 2016 · 253 posts · 115 votes
    10y
    Hi Erin! Congrats on looking to get out of renting. I definitely believe buying a house that is cheaper than your rent is the way to go. Make sure when you run your numbers you include all your home expenses like insurance, property taxes, gardener, water/trash/sewer and of course the big one, repairs/maintenance! When you are renting the landlord typically pays for the above items. HOA fees are also high in some communities so keep that in mind. House hacking is a great way to start as long as you can afford the mortgage on your own, it's like an added bonus. It makes me nervous to depend on a renter in my home to be able to cover expenses. Long beach has some homes around 300k but they are in lower end areas. Where do you work? First thing if you are seriously considering buying is to get pre approved by a lender so you know exactly what your limits are. Then look at the numbers they gave you and figure out what you are comfortable paying and set that as your home price cap. Let me know if you have any questions.
  • Azusa, CA · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    I also live in Los Angeles and haven't purchased my first property because I know it will be pretty hard to find a cash flowing property in the area.  I know I could always purchase cash flow i.e. where I put down 150k on a 250k home that rents for 2k (which from my understanding should generally cash flow), but then I'll have 150k "stuck" in one property and the return on my money will be small in comparison to those who have the smallest possible down payment and still manage to end up in the green.  My debt to income ratio is also worrisome because presumably it will be more difficult to qualify for a loan post first purchase but this would be mitigated from my understanding if your cash flowing.  So ultimately I'm lead to decide whether a low return on my money is worth it for the comfort of investing locally.  I'm still debating this.  One of the guests on the podcast advised something along the lines of invest where the numbers make sense and live where you want, but this is definitely easier said that done hence my lack of action.  Thought I'd just give you how I'm approaching the issue.  Again just wanted to emphasize that I have yet to make my first purchase so what do I really know.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 156 posts · 113 votes
    10y

    Hello Erin!

    Welcome to BP and great job on convincing yourself that you can do this! As one of the BP guest speakers once said, you're either paying your own mortgage or someone else's mortgage.

    House hacking is a great option because you'll still be occupying the property so you'll qualify for consumer mortgage which, depending on the type of consumer loan you get, has a lower down payment than a commercial conventional loan. In the long run, it'll be a great opportunity to build equity in property and lower your long-term living expenses.

    I appreciate you sharing your concern. I come from Arkansas, where houses can be purchased for $50K-$150K, so these LA numbers initially scared me out of my socks. Good luck on your first purchase and let me know if you need any assistance with current or future commercial lending.

    -Kysha Joli

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