Passive Income Journey Starts Today!

Passive Income Journey Starts Today!

Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 6 votes

Hi Everybody,

Nice to meet all of you in advance. I'm a business owner\entrepreneur working in the advertising technology industry. We’ve been in business for ~4.5 years. I've accumulated some capital and want to start my investment journey in real estate. I just moved from SoCal to Las Vegas (homeowner in Summerlin) with the thought of finding some good deals out here. While that is probably the case if I network locally and do some digging, I just can't help thinking about starting my journey with cash flowing opportunities in the heartland\mid-west. I’m also interested in multi-family\commercial real estate. To help with context, my business comes first, real estate second, so I prefer my approach to be a little more hands-off.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on turn key properties in Indianapolis and Kansas City. My ultimate goal is $40-50k/month in net passive income and I prefer to get there efficiently, i.e., staying away from C-\D class properties that may likely cause headaches. Would be grateful for experienced members to share their ideas and how they think they would be able to approach this journey. For instance, would they suggest focusing on scalable multi-family right away instead? Working with other investors\syndications? Working primarily as an investor and a private equity real estate firm? I understand it will take a diverse portfolio to get me to this goal, and that this journey will not be easy at all.

For now... I'm thinking I can start with the turnkey investment in the heartland (I understand I may lose out on some ROI here), to get my feet wet, and go through the whole process of lending, purchasing, and just seeing how things play out.

I am open ears. I have just been trying to devour as much information as I can on BP but I know I needed to take action, so my first step is a simple post here.

Thanks so much for your time!



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Rental Property Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2014 · 722 posts · 1k+ votes
9y

@Teddy T., I will throw my two cents into the pot and offer this advice.  If your cash flow goals are that big, it will be a long time before you can accumulate it with SFRs clearing a couple hundred dollars a month each.  Assuming you have the capital do it, just finding enough good product, let alone managing all of it - even with third-party management - is going to be a nightmare.  And, if you ever want to sell your holdings, or you die and your estate needs to unwind them, you will find very few buyers looking for a portfolio of SFRs; you will have lots of buyers that want to cherry-pick your best assets and leave you holding the rest.  

(I speak from experience.  I once tried to help a friend sell a portfolio of 100 houses that were all in the same market, and I actually found a buyer looking for a portfolio of SFRs in that market - a miracle in itself - and, when the buyer looked at the houses, he decided only to offer on 3-4 of the best ones.  Now, that friend is trying to sell them all off one by one.)

Multifamily is the way to go if you have big goals, assuming you have the capital to get there.

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  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Teddy T.:

    Hi Everybody,

    Nice to meet all of you in advance. I'm a business owner\entrepreneur working in the advertising technology industry. We’ve been in business for ~4.5 years. I've accumulated some capital and want to start my investment journey in real estate. I just moved from SoCal to Las Vegas (homeowner in Summerlin) with the thought of finding some good deals out here. While that is probably the case if I network locally and do some digging, I just can't help thinking about starting my journey with cash flowing opportunities in the heartland\mid-west. I’m also interested in multi-family\commercial real estate. To help with context, my business comes first, real estate second, so I prefer my approach to be a little more hands-off.

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on turn key properties in Indianapolis and Kansas City. My ultimate goal is $40-50k/month in net passive income and I prefer to get there efficiently, i.e., staying away from C-\D class properties that may likely cause headaches. Would be grateful for experienced members to share their ideas and how they think they would be able to approach this journey. For instance, would they suggest focusing on scalable multi-family right away instead? Working with other investors\syndications? Working primarily as an investor and a private equity real estate firm? I understand it will take a diverse portfolio to get me to this goal, and that this journey will not be easy at all.

    For now... I'm thinking I can start with the turnkey investment in the heartland (I understand I may lose out on some ROI here), to get my feet wet, and go through the whole process of lending, purchasing, and just seeing how things play out.

    I am open ears. I have just been trying to devour as much information as I can on BP but I know I needed to take action, so my first step is a simple post here.

    Thanks so much for your time!



    Hello and welcome! Turnkey can be a great way to earn income while investing out of state.

    I would check out:

    What to Ask When Working With a Turnkey Provider

    and

    How to Find the Right Turnkey Real Estate Investment Company for You

    Good luck to you!

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    Rental Property Investor · Prairie Village, KS · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Teddy T.

    Sounds like you've got a cash-flow goal, which is a great start. There might be markets near to Las Vegas that are good for cash flow, you can do some research and see. 

    My thoughts on a TK SFH with such huge goals, why bother? If you've got a lot of capital and you want to be passive you can make good returns providing capital to others. Many apartment syndicators will offer 10-15% returns over 5 years. You can also partner with others to provide capital for their flip and development projects. If you want to acquire your own properties I'd just go bigger with commercial right away.

    Best of luck!

    Lee

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Hey Teddy! Ooh, I love the sound of your journey.

    Out of curiosity, if you don't mind me sharing (and feel free to message me directly if you want to keep it private)....how much capital do you have to start? $40k-50k/month in passive income is a lot. Not sure if you are talking about getting to that quickly or over the long-haul, but depending on your capital levels now, I may have an idea for you to take advantage of both the turnkey benefits but also of rolling your money a lot faster to get to your goals.

    (I've always bought and worked with turnkeys, I'm in SoCal now, so have been around the bin with them quite a bit!)

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 764 posts · 953 votes
    9y

    great post @Teddy T.

    Here's some thoughts: (1) Large multifamily (workforce C and B) with permanent debt (Fannie, Freddie, HUD) is the best risk adjusted return of all real estate asset classes period. If you don't know what permanent financing is yet be sure to learn this.

    (2)Love the goal of 40k/month! 10X and play big baby! I'm working towards the same figures. To get that you'll need ~4,000,000 in equity (40k x 12mos divided by 12% return on your cash).

    (3)Diversification (trying too many real estate ideas at once) is your enemy! read: Warren Buffet or Mark Cuban.

    (4)You are wiser than most focusing on your business/day job. To get to your goal you'll need to funnel lots of capital from another source (a business that buys your real estate). read: Robert Kiyosaki. For me, I started a property management company. It buys my apartment communities.

    (5)Watch out for risky deals! Losing capital is your enemy. Read Warren Buffett. Stay away from small deals too! Do you know why Mice don't sell many tickets? It's because they have small balls! ;)

    Happy Hunting and happy to chat further any time my fellow traveler!

    Ivan

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2014 · 722 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Teddy T., I will throw my two cents into the pot and offer this advice.  If your cash flow goals are that big, it will be a long time before you can accumulate it with SFRs clearing a couple hundred dollars a month each.  Assuming you have the capital do it, just finding enough good product, let alone managing all of it - even with third-party management - is going to be a nightmare.  And, if you ever want to sell your holdings, or you die and your estate needs to unwind them, you will find very few buyers looking for a portfolio of SFRs; you will have lots of buyers that want to cherry-pick your best assets and leave you holding the rest.  

    (I speak from experience.  I once tried to help a friend sell a portfolio of 100 houses that were all in the same market, and I actually found a buyer looking for a portfolio of SFRs in that market - a miracle in itself - and, when the buyer looked at the houses, he decided only to offer on 3-4 of the best ones.  Now, that friend is trying to sell them all off one by one.)

    Multifamily is the way to go if you have big goals, assuming you have the capital to get there.

  • Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 316 posts · 165 votes
    9y

    I don't see how you could reach your goals in this lifetime passively doing turkeys. You'd have to spend a lot of time searching for that many. I suggest being the bank. Mortgage notes could get you there. 

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    9y

    @Teddy T. Hi and welcome to BP and the world of REI! If you are looking to get started in passive OOS investing, turnkeys is one way to do that, but certainly not the only way or the most passive. I have written a BP blog article on Three Key Routes for Passive Real Estate Investing

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2015 · 503 posts · 504 votes
    9y

    I agree with those saying to go bigger. You would need hundreds of houses to get $40,000 a month in cash flow. Instead, you can own a share of several large multi-family or commercial properties. Participating in a syndication is the way to go. Meet people who are doing these deals, and after you build a relationship and have determined that they are trustworthy and competent, give them your money and let them do the work.

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